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Ramos should sue for defamation. Incredible.
He is. Roddick's adoration of Serena is my least favorite thing about him.
No. Stating what to me is simply how the world works."More experienced players always get advantages"
Is that something that you approve of, so that you comment on it as though as it should be normal and not paid attention to?
The same one you watched.The umpire didn't "mess up the score". I don't know what match you were watching.
I don't agree.You remember the mess, because Serena was instrumental in that during and after the match, not because the umpire did what he did.
Should I lose sleep because you don't respect my perspective?Upholding the rules and the integrity of the game is good. I thought that you had a better perspective than the one you here demonstrate.
Federer has never used the word thief in his tirades against umpires, thus, he would never get a warning. It is the most terrible word in the English language. It is the new line you must not cross in tennis
If she could not doing it right herself.Agreed.
Won’t someone please think of her daughter?
Well we can’t all be perfect.He is. Roddick's adoration of Serena is my least favorite thing about him.
You can idolise someone without having to agree with everything they do. Something Serena fans should learn from.
That said, at least Roddick admits he's very biased himself.
I don't surround myself with funny people. I surround myself with people who tolerate my humor. You are a legend for that alone.Well we can’t all be perfect.
I’m rarely funny for example. We still seem to get along.
Well Roddick has barely any notable achievements so he has to live vicariously through his childhood friend.He is. Roddick's adoration of Serena is my least favorite thing about him.
You can idolise someone without having to agree with everything they do. Something Serena fans should learn from.
That said, at least Roddick admits he's very biased himself.
FWIW, Ramos did give Nole a code violation for verbal abuse pretty recently.
After being penalised for throwing her racket early in the second set:
'This is unbelievable. Every team I play here I have problems.
'I didn't get coaching, I didn't get coaching. I didn't get coaching. You need to make an announcement that I didn't get coaching. I don't cheat, I didn't get coaching. How can you say that?
'You owe me an apology. You owe me an apology. I have never cheated in my life. I have a daughter and I stand for what is right for her and I've never cheated. You owe me an apology.
After being broken to trail 4-3 in the second set:
'I never got coaching. I explained that to you and for you to attack my character then something is wrong. You're attacking my character. Yes you are. You owe me an apology.
'You will never, ever, ever be on another court of mine as long as you live. You are the liar. When are you going to give me my apology? You owe me an apology.
'Say it, say you're sorry. Then don't talk to me, don't talk to me. How dare you insinuate I was cheating? You stole a point from me. You're a thief too.'
After being docked a game:
'Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Because I said you were a thief? You stole a point from me. I'm not a cheater. I told you to apologise to me. Excuse me I need the referee, I don't agree with that.
With tournament referees:
'This is not right. INAUDIBLE. He said I was being coached but I was not being coached. That's not right. You know me. You know my character. This is not fair. This has happened to me too many times. This is not fair. To lose a game for saying that is not fair. Do you know how many men do things that are much worse than that? This is not fair.
'There are a lot of men out here that have said a lot of things and because they are a man it doesn't matter. This is unbelievable. No I don't know the risk because if I say a simple thing, a thief, because he stole a point from me.
'There are men out here that do a lot worse and because I'm a woman you're going to take this away from me. That is not right. And you know it and I know you can't admit it, but I know you know that is not right. I know you can't change it but I'm just saying that is not right.
'I get the rules but I'm just saying it's not right. It happens to me at this tournament every single year and it's not fair. That's all I have to say.
Post-match press conference:
'I can't sit here and say I wouldn't say he's a thief, because I thought he took a game from me.
'But I've seen other men call other umpires several things. I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff. For me to say 'thief' and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. He's never taken a game from a man because they said 'thief'. It blows my mind.
'I just feel like the fact that I have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions, and that wants to express themselves, and wants to be a strong woman.
'They're going to be allowed to do that because of today. Maybe it didn't work out for me, but it's going to work out for the next person.'
It may be spin but she has already won the propaganda war as most allocate at least equal blame to Ramos.
Might actually use my Wimbledon Ladies Finals tickets next year.
Usually just watch the men knocking up on an outside court before the doubles final.
I did try and make it back to my seat for Venus Garbine second set but it was over by the time I got up the stairs.
She was getting her butt kicked by a younger and better player. She created a distraction to try and knock her opponent off her game. Almost worked. The Referee clearly followed the rules, and this is the second time Serena Williams did this at the U.S. Open. I think it is time for her and her sister to retire. They have taken enough from tennis and the fans. Tennis will be much better off without her.
She pull an old Johnny Mac, then cried about it. What a joke the U.S. open has turned into. Her draws was the easiest on record, and still she failed.
This used to be tennis and a gentlemen sport, not promoting players who clearly do not deserve it.
You're always good for a vast array of argumentative error.
Rules in tennis could do with a lot more clarification than they currently get.
Just look how long it took them to deal with time-wasting on serves!
And still the first penalty is a mere warning!
Unfortunately, she knows we wouldn't believe he made a pass at her or she would accuse him of that #metooI still have no clue what this whole thing has to do with GENDER?!? Lol WTF Serena that was so random.
How does it even make him a sexist? It's so odd. It's so cringrworthy and forced. She wants to portray herself as a voice for women's rights and she's looking for anywhere to cry about sexism even in situations like this where it doesn't make any sense and has people laughing at her.
Surely, you don’t empathize with Ramos. He was called a thief in front of the whole world! How embarrassed would you be? If I was in his position, I too would have taken a game away from her
Desperation.The article has thousands of comments.
I can't believe the Washington Post is turning this into a women's rights issue.
Which is ridiculous as she racked up three violations in one set-why is an automatic game penalty was incurred. I guess this is just the brave new world of feminism where men are always to blame even when the problem lies with the woman.
i'd say its more idiot vs umpire and a lot of people jumping in for a laugh and to say its about time this has happenedPetty politicized nonsense promoted by pack minded people who play the thesis and the antithesis Hegelian dialectic. Now it's Man vs Woman, the thesis and antithesis is always there to play on whilst the agitators can sit back and watch the carnage.
And she acts like this before her home crowd and officials, thinking she could do anything there, so week person.
Ramos failed the occasion by being too quick too hand out a coaching penalty and too thin-skinned to take a bit of stick.
No. Stating what to me is simply how the world works.
The same one you watched.
I don't agree.
Should I lose sleep because you don't respect my perspective?
I don't think the rule about no communication between the box and players is realistic because I do not believe it is enforceable.
I can show you a video of Novak getting the same treatement from Ramos for argueably less if you’d like? also no warning? It was her third actually. I also understand what gender disparity is, I’d say that people are implying that Ramos has something against women by doing this, unless you think he was ordered by some shadowy faced higher up to screw over the wta.You don’t understand gender bias at all.
I am not talking about misogyny, that is hatred of women.
I am talking about disparate treatment, a double standard, in that a tirade of a woman is punished in a situation where a Man in the same situation would not have been punished.
The disparity is so disgusting and obvious. Man goes on tirade on changeover and yells at ump, and commentators say he is “passionate” and he is “fired up” and he is “barking” and the match is “important to him.” Woman goes on tirade in the final of a major and she gets no warning, and ump makes ludicrous decision to code her. She wasn’t refusing to play. She was literally on her way back out to the court and he hit her with the third code. Terrible use of discretion.
And I cannot think of a match where Serena ever gets away with anything. Can you refresh my memory? I even recall her getting a hindrance call for yelling after she hit her shot against Stosur — can anyone recall that ever being called on someone else?
I’ll bet if you asked Ramos if he would handle things differently with hindsight, he would say yes.
I don't think Paddy can be blamed in any way for the point/game penalties, but he should get a reprimand for counterproductive coaching as from the highlights I've seen he was encouraging her to hit the ball straight to the Osaka forehand and follow it to the net.......
Yes, it’s feminism to want equal treatment. Ramos should be allowed to be emotional and act emotionally as he did today. He was so hurt and embarrassed by being called a thief in front of the whole world that he gave her the game penalty. He is an umpire, but he had fielding too and should be allowed to get back at her
Anyone remember that match where Stan Wawrinka got mad at the umpire (happens regularly) and climbed on the umpire's chair to yell at him? In my view, this is the most threatening attitude I've seen from a player towards an umpire - he was physically confronting him. Well, I'm not even sure Stan got a warning for this behaviour.
I think Serena Williams should have kept her cool after the warning. I also think Carlos Ramos wouldn't have given her a game penalty had she been Wawrinka, because men are supposed to be bullies sometimes and women are supposed to be fragile little flowers always.
Kyrgios gets coached by the umpire while #thismama gets a game penaltyI still have no clue what this whole thing has to do with GENDER?!? Lol WTF Serena that was so random.
I must admit it has caused a lot of excitement and growing number of posts online.This Serena is the best thing thsts happens to the WTA ina long ass time. It’s the #1 sports story of the day—how often can the WTA say that?
A good rule of thumb is that when someone is protesting their innocence on the basis of "character," the facts of the matter tend to be against them.
She didnt win anything. Media can back her,but the real problem is people dont take media all that seriously anymore.It may be spin but she has already won the propaganda war as most allocate at least equal blame to Ramos.