2018 USO Womens Final : ThisMama Serena Williams vs Japanese Queen Naomi Osaka

[Rickenbacker4003]

Did she or you just assume that she's act like "she’s the only mom, only sporting mom in the world and we should give her special treatment for that"
She’s a millionaire and surely has like paid off 10 nannies to watch and handle her child - You don't know that and nothing wrong to have nanny(es) if you can afford that.

That's too bad Kim did not making any commercial for it but so just because Kim did not Serena can't earn money for that?

I know that you can’t juggle a full touring schedule, practice and workouts while being a mom. You need family or nannies to help with that. I’m assuming since she’s a millionaire she has nannies help with the rest so she can maintain her schedule, practice and workout routines I order to keep playing tennis at a high level.

 

[Rickenbacker4003]

Someone else said it looked like he was saying play the middle of the court. That's what it looked like to me and he did have his thumbs up. It didn't look like him telling her to move forward.

Serena looked in his direction for a fraction of a second as shown in camera. Doubtful she got any meaningful info from him that quickly.

Its likely she thought he was giving her the thumbs up as she said and was confused by the unusual coaching warning.

This is a woman who doesn't even use on court coaching when it's available.

Its amazing all the sinister motives ascribed to Serena by some people here.

Once her coach admitted it, Serena’s argument was no longer valid. Whether or not she got something from it is irrelevant. If she makes any adjustments everyone will interpret that as a result from the signals. Nobody knows for sure that she did not see anything from his signals. Maybe she did and won’t fess up. But she was angry that she was bullied off the court in a fashion that she does to everyone else. She got a taste of her own medicine and got nasty about it. The umpire only fanned the flames.

 

[marc45]

I love the checking of the pulse

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   Steve Tignor‏ @SteveTignor 3m3 minutes ago
   From checking her pulse to blasting her forehand to embracing Serena to holding the trophy, Naomi Osaka had a night of whirlwind emotions at the Open on Saturday. "When I hugged her at the net, I felt like a little kid again," she said.
   
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[marc45]

WTA Insider‏Verified account @WTA_insider 36m36 minutes ago
Naomi Osaka got to bed last night at 12:30am and she’s been up since the crack of dawn doing media. Asked her if she’s ready for her life to change. “I really just want green tea ice cream right now. And katsu-don or katsu curry. If my life changes like that, that’d be cool.”

 

[tennis_pro]

And Serena be like

I can't, I can't, I can't losing....I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing....

 

[Harry_Wild]

Restricted questioning after final post match conference! “One question, no follow up!”

 

[mcs1970]

What do you mean cherry pick?! This is THE STATEMENT that anyone needs in this whole ordeal. It makes Serena’s tirade basically pointless. She said she didn’t cheat, her coach is part of her team and admitted giving signals. So unless she’s stupid or a bad liar she has no leg to stand on for that argument SHE STARTED.

So you obviously didn't listen to the full statement or are intentionally ignoring what he said. No point debating anymore if that's what you are going to hang on to.

 

[Gizo]

Next up for Naomi after the celebrations have died down is her home tournament, the Pan Pacific Open in Tokyo, the week after next. She of course will get an amazing reception from the Japanese fans there.

 

[chekraze]

People were wondering if the moment was going to be too big for Osaka and it was the other way around. Serena was unable to bring her A game when it mattered and ultimately caused the cascade of events that ruined the ending.

She said afterward this always happens to her but guess what the common denominator is? That said umpire acted out of line by relative standards

 

[brinkeguthrie]

BJK, yet another SW apologist. Good grief. 'Thank you, Serena Williams, for calling out this double standard. More voices are needed to do the same.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-torrent-of-reactions/?utm_term=.f1987f5e5d2d

 

[Tia]

And what the heck is this "Serena queen of queens" commercial, right in the middle of the match? What are they even advertising? Coca-Cola? This is PREPOSTEROUS.

wow

 

[brinkeguthrie]

Because she acts like she’s the only mom, only sporting mom in the world and we should give her special treatment for that. “Look at me, I’m a mom and I play tennis.”. She’s a millionaire and surely has like paid off 10 nannies to watch and handle her child. I have two kids so I know about what it takes to raise a child. But Kim Clijsters has a baby and then came back to win a major or two. She wasn’t making over the top commercials about it. ESPN wasn’t milking the story about Kim like they did with SW.

yep, exactly.

 

[skyline]

Kim isn't bankable like Serena, that's why she didn't make crazy money doing commercials.

It's really exaggerating to be complaining about endorsements. Why shouldn't she get them if she can?

The fact of the matter is that, for all her faults (and there were quite a few on display last night) her fans will stand by her and there's enough of them to keep making it profitable for sponsors to have her as the face of their products. When that stops being the case, she'll lose her endorsements and that will be that.

In the meantime, complaining that she takes advantage of business opportunities is weird at best.

 

[StrongerThanAll]

I can’t find any highlights of the first set. Some people are interested in how Osaka went up on Serena in the actual tennis match!!!!!!

 

[a10best]

If you want to selectively cherry pick what Patrick M said to justify the penalty, then others can use his full quote to say why Ramos was trying to search for something that he could have left alone. A ref's job is to manage a game in a way where folks don't even notice he/she is there.

The 3rd penalty which was the most costly in terms of losing a whole game in a tightly contested 2nd set was totally unnecessary. You've had other players come out and say how they've been given a soft warning for much worse. Yep..it's not his fault that Serena was behaving like a hysterical baby just because Naomi was matching her punch for punch. It was his fault that instead of just ignoring that he decided to get all sensitive about being called a thief and without any further warning docked a crucial game. A noted ref like him should know better.

Also, as I mentioned, if the argument is that players should never argue with refs, then make the rules uniform and immediate so that players, no matter how famous, know that they will immediately get a conduct penalty anytime they argue. Totally fine with that. Don't just enforce it arbitrarily and randomly.

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

 

[dblsplayer]

I can’t find any highlights of the first set. Some people are interested in how Osaka went up on Serena in the actual tennis match!!!!!!

to me it was pretty straight forward, Naomi matched her power and returned her serves well, nullifying Serena's biggest weapon. more importantly, she was moving much better.

 

[duaneeo]

These wimpy commentators. For the first time ever, I want to hear what John McEnroe has to say.

That turned out awful. Gilbert? Will any commentator call Serena out?

 

[chekraze]

to me it was pretty straight forward, Naomi matched her power and returned her serves well, nullifying Serena's biggest weapon. more importantly, she was moving much better.

For sure. Serena was outplayed which led to the coaching and cascade of events that followed. I’ve seen her come back in matches but that wasn’t going to happen yesterday. Her only chance was to tilt Osaka. Didn’t work

 

[NuBas]

This is what matters

 

[NuBas]

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

Yeah, I think it wasn't alone the thief comment. She belittled him and treated him like if she has a child when in fact he was the umpire.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

That turned out awful. Gilbert? Will any commentator call Serena out?

BG's stance is similar to Mac's. Chrissie Evert at least agreed that coaching was involved.

 

[NuBas]

 

[NuBas]

Man a lot of hate on Naomi's instagram from stupid people attacking her.

These people who are pulling race card are hypocrites

cause they themselves are being racists to japanese people.

 

[brinkeguthrie]

 

[Rain]

and it looks like the officials' office agree with the calls, one day later, when cooler heads prevail:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/te...ring-us-open-final/ar-BBN5AEk?ocid=spartandhp

 

[a10best]

People were wondering if the moment was going to be too big for Osaka and it was the other way around. Serena was unable to bring her A game when it mattered and ultimately caused the cascade of events that ruined the ending.

She said afterward this always happens to her but guess what the common denominator is? That said umpire acted out of line by relative standards

"A" games are inconsistent when you're age 37 in 3 weeks. Not even she can count on that with every WTA player. Sloane, Kerber, and Osaka are better players than Serena. Her decline like Federer is evident. It's tough for a lot of people to handle when there is not someone you like to replace her.

 

[Mr.Lob]

She then lied about not seeing him. She then said she did see him give a thumbs up. Everyone saw on the reply that Morataglou gave her a nod after his hand gesture to bring Naomi in to the net. She saw him as clear as day because what happened a point or two later was she brought Naomi in.

EXACTLY!!! These coaches aren't dumb. They have contingency plans. "If I get caught giving this signal, Serena, you just say you thought I was giving you the thumbs up." Looking at the replay, when Serena approaches the chair umpire, saying Patrick gave her a thumbs up. ...looked planned.

 

[Xfimpg]

I saw him as saying "come to the net," which she did not do, and which to me is further proof that she didn't register what he was doing (which then sent her into rage after getting warned).

I don't think it's proof that she did not do; she could have chosen not to do it for other reasons.

Regardless, either the USTA allows coaching or these endless debates will go on forever. I say "Let them coach"! They do it in every other sport.

 

[celito]

Why do people keep getting hung up on the game penalty issue? It's not a game penalty for verbal abuse, it's a 3rd code conduct violation which equals game penalty.

The worst comment are people simply saying "this never happened in a GS final" ... so it must be persecution. They just don't think that no GS finalist ever acted that way. Just a shame.

 

[celito]

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

Only happens to Serena, sexist she says ....

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Just ban her from the sport, that lying, cheating, menacing, disrespectful, emotionally blackmailing disgrace of a woman

 

[celito]

Sad thing is that there are "journalists" out there repeating the double standard story already. And they know nothing about the game, the rules, and previous incidents. It's a damn shame.

 

[justRick]

First the ridiculous princess tennis attire, now this childish, self important, tirade. What an embarrassment.

 

[skyline]

I don't think it's proof that she did not do; she could have chosen not to do it for other reasons.

Regardless, either the USTA allows coaching or these endless debates will go on forever. I say "Let them coach"! They do it in every other sport.

I said it's further proof as in further circumstantial evidence (to me anyway) that she didn't register what he was on about.

IMO the no coaching rule is fine. I have no special problem with it.

 

[mcs1970]

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

Nadal doesn't have a history with umps. He got into it with Ramos too. I've not excused Serena. Her press conference and hysterical meltdown on the court was a joke. However, Ramos is one too. Reading more about him he seems like he wants to be part of the action. No one comes to see the umpire. Good he is retiring after this year.

This article sums up my feelings:
https://slate.com/culture/2018/09/serena-williams-carlos-ramos-2018-us-open.html

 

[Bartelby]

And there you go again! She got a game penalty and a sizeable fine. And you want excommunication!

Just ban her from the sport, that lying, cheating, menacing, disrespectful, emotionally blackmailing disgrace of a woman

 

[a10best]

Nadal doesn't have a history with umps. He got into it with Ramos too. I've not excused Serena. Her press conference and hysterical meltdown on the court was a joke. However, Ramos is one too. Reading more about him he seems like he wants to be part of the action. No one comes to see the umpire. Good he is retiring after this year.

This article sums up my feelings:
https://slate.com/culture/2018/09/serena-williams-carlos-ramos-2018-us-open.html

really he is retiring?
The video shows he coached her and then nodded his head to her like she noticed it. Then a few point later Serena comes in/brings in Osaka to the net. My interpretation of the hand and arm gestures see the video) was just what I saw.. mover her side to side and to the net. Chris Evert mentioned that too. I am a fair judge and see both sides. Maybe Carlos should have apologized to her with a smile or just to patronize her so she could move on. Sure, one of the violations could have been a warning (the coaching). He could have talked to her on the changeover as we have all seen done before. Final result of the match would be the same.
Well, that's what you get when put a man to umpire the final when all tournament long it has been a female. Then they use a female for the men's final. Why change it up? Mohammad Layhani would not have done that.

 

[AndyM]

Joco wins both finals and Serena loses both finals couldn't be any happier

 

[DRII]

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

That turned out awful. Gilbert? Will any commentator call Serena out?

Nope, they all want to keep their jobs.
You will hear criticism from political columnists, but never tennis commentators.
BJK: what double standards? She picked up 3 code violations. Any male tennis player would have had the same penalty.

 

[Soianka]

Joco wins both finals and Serena loses both finals couldn't be any happier

You probably could be happier if you didn't have to rely on other people's failure for your happiness.

 

[NuBas]

This is a much better evaluation by Tennis Channel anchors

 

[veroniquem]

Being called a thief wouldn't make me sensitive. Saying F-U or something equivalent would have made me penalize a game with no warning.
**** You left out the fact she stood up & pointed her finger at him like he works for her and demanded an apology on several changeovers. ****
If she stayed in the chair and just chirped, without standing up and pointing fingers, not shouting demands on each changeover, you likely would not see that game penalty.

What guy or women has done that? McEnroe. And guess what. He was given a game penalty. She & McEnroe have a history with umpires and line judges so why should she be given extra leeway? Isn't Serena smart and able to figure things out? She had two violations but didn't figure that out?
All she figured out down 4-3 after losing her serve was, I am going to lose again to a 20-yr old and miss my chance at #24. I better get back at Carlos., try to interrupt the flow of the match (change momentum) and hope my 20-yr old opponent who idolized me growing up loses her focus so I can come back. That didn't work. So, now she uses the sexist card and I'm a mom. WT_

Right on the mark. Unfortunately she's being enabled by American media determined to support her shenanigans no matter what. So absurd and damaging. Being touted as a role model after this stunt sends chills down my spine (and yeah that's what the press is actually throwing at us if you can believe it. And they ARE playing the race card full steam even though it makes no sense and her opponent is black too). At least, McEnroe was identified as a "bad boy of tennis", not the best example in shining armor. How low have we fallen socially and culturally. I hope tennis authorities will hold strong and keep her on a short leash. I am sick and tired of arguing tolerance toward her loutish outbursts. No, intimidation and bullying are not "cool". Neither in sport nor in life. Never have been and never will be. If she cannot learn, that's on her and no one else.

 

[Beacon Hill]

This is a much better evaluation by Tennis Channel anchors

They make the point that the chair umpire should have explained to Serena that her character was not in question, and that it was her coach that had committed the violation, and that Serena may have not even seen the coaching. But maybe the umpire believed Serena did see and even responded to the coaching. We just don't know what the umpire saw or was thinking. I believe that given Serena's past behaviour, it is unlikely that the umpire had much sympathy for Serena when she protested that her character is beyond reproach.

 

[NuBas]

 

[Bartelby]

You obviously don't read any newspapers, because the cast of characters in the front pages make Serena Williams look like a choir girl.

I am sick and tired of arguing tolerance toward her loutish outbursts. No, intimidation and bullying are not "cool". Neither in sport nor in life. Never have been and never will be. If she cannot learn, that's on her and no one else.

 

[veroniquem]

You obviously don't read any newspapers, because the cast of characters in the front pages make Serena Williams look like a choir girl.

The "cast of characters" do not usually pass as "role models". Actually newspapers are usually quite critical of that "cast of charaters".

 

[Bartelby]

You are over-reacting extravagantly, which is a weakness Williams herself succumbs too.

The "cast of characters" do not usually pass as "role models". Actually newspapers are usually quite critical of that "cast of charaters".

 

[PDJ]

Patrick can make gestures all day. If Serena isn't looking at him and doesn't have specified predetermined hand signals that doesnt make Serena a cheater.

It just makes Patrick human.

We know Patrick is "human"..... AND a cheat!

 

[PDJ]

BG's stance is similar to Mac's. Chrissie Evert at least agreed that coaching was involved.

As did Davenport apparently.