HetTheGreaterer
Banned
What's he doing?.
Where is Federer right now?
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
scared witless with all these great play by nadal, novak, and young guns, he may withdraw from aussie open
Linelicker
Rookie
Still wondering "wtf happened", like his fans.
Can't blame him/ them.
He desperately needs someone to take out Novak for him.
Can't blame him/ them.
He desperately needs someone to take out Novak for him.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
He can do it himself
Just needs to be clutch like wtf19
ForehandRF
Legend
He also needs to serve big like in that match.
Concerning "wtf happened": Did you watch WTF?
Also rewatch some other of their last matches (especially Wimbledon) and tell me who was the better player. But WTF expelled the demons of choking I guess.
If anyone of the 2 needs to avoid the other just right now, I don’t think it’s Federer.
Yugram
Legend
Lol, don’t be delusional. When was the last time Federer beat Djokovic in BO5, like 2007? (Yeah, 2012, but it seems to be even longer than that.)Concerning "wtf happened": Did you watch WTF?
Also rewatch some other of their last matches (especially Wimbledon) and tell me who was the better player. But WTF expelled the demons of choking I guess.
If anyone of the 2 needs to avoid the other just right now, I don’t think it’s Federer.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Federer helped your beloved Rafa get the #1 ranking. Be nice
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Federer helped your beloved Rafa get the #1 ranking. Be nice
He certainly has my respect
Trolling cap off though, what Fed has done in tennis (even last year smoking most of the tour like a cheap cigar at 38) is amazing.
Yugram
Legend
Djokovic wasn’t getting past Tsitsipas any way. He was totally spent.Federer helped your beloved Rafa get the #1 ranking. Be nice
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
It will be much more difficult this year. Many of the young players are stronger and more experienced now than last year.He certainly has my respect
Trolling cap off though, what Fed has done in tennis (even last year smoking most of the tour like a cheap cigar at 38) is amazing.
Yugram
Legend
And what exactly is not nice about the fact that Federer hasn’t beaten Djokovic in BO5 in 7,5 years? It’s not my opinion or something.Federer helped your beloved Rafa get the #1 ranking. Be nice
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
That's what you think. He annihilated Tsitsipas in Paris a couple weeks earlier like a redheaded stepchild. Federer did Nadal a huge favour. Show respect.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Yes. It seems even longer than the actual amount of time, so let's say some random older date.
Also, when was the last time Nadal did? 2014? Not exactly an astronomical difference there, especially considering Djokodal are actually contemporaries.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I will honestly be shocked if a non big-3 player doesn't win a slam this year. I hope it's Thiem, it would suck if he gets screwed for having to battle peak big 3 when he was a legit contender for FO/USO and then when they finally fade the Medvedevs and Tsitsipas's of the world keep him from ever snagging one.
Yugram
Legend
At least I’m confident that Nadal will whip Djokovic’s ass if they meet at Nadal’s favorite Slam. Federer doesn’t have even that.
Linelicker
Rookie
He'll need a double break to serve out a slam match against Novak.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
So what? Federer should've won many of those matches. USO2010, USO2011, Wimby 2019....he had MPs in all of them. Even at USO2015...he was 4/23 in BPs. It's clear Federer is more than good enough to win. Bad luck for him that he can't seem to cross that final hurdle. And besides, Rafa is 0-13 or something against Novak on hardcourts since 2013. Pretty rubbish stat there.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Oh yes, like he did in 2015. Oh wait, no he didn't, he lost convincingly. I suppose you avoid 40-15 teasing when you get wiped out in straights, so there's that.
Yugram
Legend
Sorry, but there wasn’t any favour. Djokovic was absolutely not beating Tsitsipas and Thiem in that crappy form. If anything, Federer had his precious weeks at #1 record on his mind. Cool that he left Djokovic without additional 200 or so points, that may help us in 2020, but that’s it.That's what you think. He annihilated Tsitsipas in Paris a couple weeks earlier like a redheaded stepchild. Federer did Nadal a huge favour. Show respect.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Great that you're confident. Go to the betting tables and put your entire life savings on Federer losing to Djokovic in their next Slam meeting if you have the courage
Since you're so confident.
Yugram
Legend
Yeah, 2015 Nadal is so sooooo relevant when we discuss anything since the beginning of 2017.
Oh, the fadnatics.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
What do you mean "us"? I don't think Nadal's inviting you over to his family dinner ever!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I think it will be Medvedev.
Thiem is so erratic for my taste.
Yugram
Legend
Could’ve... should’ve... didn’t.
I know very well that Federer is GOAT of imaginary situations and matches. No need to tell me that.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I like Medvedev too I just don't think Thiem has much time left after this year :/ would love to see him win something
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
You're the one that brought up the 7.5 year history of Federer and Djoker.Yeah, 2015 Nadal is so sooooo relevant when we discuss anything since the beginning of 2017.
Oh, the fadnatics.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
He's got 20 Grand Slams. I think he's done ok in his life.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Wrong
Please. They're chucking tantrums left right and centre as per usual.
Yugram
Legend
He was tired and quite possibly injured. If Tsitsipas left no chances to in-form Federer in SF, what could out of form Djokovic do?
Well, you tried to argument that Federer will have no chances against Djokovic because he didn’t beat him since 2012 in Best of 5. But if only recent form counts for Nadal’s chances, then also for Federer’s.Yeah, 2015 Nadal is so sooooo relevant when we discuss anything since the beginning of 2017.
Oh, the fadnatics.
Yugram
Legend
Look, I was answering to the guy who said Djokovic should be afraid of Federer in BO5 for some unknown reason. Since 2012, they’ve had BO5 matches in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019. All won by Djokovic despite Federer being in good form (nothing even closely comparable to 2015 Ghostdal), and having tones of chances, AND actually having half-decent Djokovic at Wimbledon in 2019. That was Federer’s moment. Favorite surface and court. Djokovic as mediocre as it gets, Federer as good as he can possibly be at 38. 2 MPs on serve. Doesn’t get any better than that.
So tell me, if under PERFECT circumstances he can’t beat Djokovic in BO5, why in the world should Djokovic be afraid of him? That’s what I was arguing with, but you tried to bring Nadal in here.
Yugram
Legend
Nadal is absolutely irrelevant for this discussion.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Again, wrong.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
#GOATY
Yugram
Legend
Much excited to hear your version of events.
Searah
Semi-Pro
i like to think he is training his backhand return for 2nd serves instead of his dink return and hoping opponent makes an error.
also he already had his "revenge" against djoker. there last match against each other was federer winning.. however it'll never fix the hole in his heart of the wimbledon loss.
also he already had his "revenge" against djoker. there last match against each other was federer winning.. however it'll never fix the hole in his heart of the wimbledon loss.
You brought up Nadal and said that Nadal not beating Djokovic in Best of 5 since 2014 (including RG) is irrelevant because only recent form matters.
And then with Federer and Djokovic recent form isn’t relevant but rather some other matches back to 2012 or even 2007?
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Oh look, when the proverbial shoe is on the other foot, you cry foul. You were happy to lock horns until your double standards were exposed, then you bailed and highroaded. Classic.
Anyway, I was merely elucidating how your contributed wisdom is based on inconsistency, since you've made it clear that the long drought for Nadal is fine while that for Fed spells doom. Also, your 'perfect' scenario (as exaggerated as it is - The 2 MP was a result of the scenario, not a prerequisite) has a sample size of 1. Not really enough to say Fed can't do it. Let's see if lightning strikes again if Fed statistically dominates Djoker a second time.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
You have to consider that Federer wins all hypotethical matches against Djokovic. He wins all polls on who is the favourite, before the match. So he will certainly win their future hypothetical matches.
Yugram
Legend
Nadal isn’t relevant for this discussion because it’s a whole different match up we are talking about. @TearTheRoofOff Provoked me, I answered regarding Nadal, which apparently I shouldn’t.
No problem with mentioning Rafa anywhere. But the standards have to be the same. Either recent form matters or the general history of a matchup.
Yugram
Legend
You know, Nadal on clay is a little bit better than Federer anywhere. Just a tiny bit. This is not comparable situations.
Yugram
Legend
Both recent years form and history of the rivalry (Nadal is 6-1 against Djokovic at RG) suggests that he will be the favorite if he meets Djokovic there in the future. Can’t be said about Federer.
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Deleted member 763691
Guest
There are only 3 guys in the big3, right?
Well there are 4 slam events in 2020
There aren't many chances for a non-big3 player to win a slam, and especially if they have to beat 2 of the big3 to win the slam event!
Medvedev has never won a 5-setter, so we haven't seen enough yet to expect much of him, and he hasn't proven himself on clay/grass and is therefore only a contender at AO and USO.
Tsitsipas has too much trouble beating Rafa, and he's only 2-2 vs. Federer and 2-2 vs. Djokovic, and has never won 2 in a row versus either.
Thiem doesn't look good enough to beat Djokovic and Rafa at Roland Garros, and probably can't beat Rafa alone at Roland Garros anyway.
And those are the 3 best young-stars, so I doubt they'll win a slam anytime soon.
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