What is 4.5?
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anubis
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Guys that win 400 point open-level USTA tournaments usually don't have an NTRP rating, because they are beyond NTRP ratings. I always assumed these guys were better than 5.5s.
I also assume that guys that win open level 400 point tournaments aren't good enough for the Challenger circuit, and would likely lose 1-1 in the first round.
I also assume that the average Challenger circuit guy would lose 1-1 to any female in the top 100.
Therefore, it stands to reason that a 5.5 wouldn't even get a point from a female top 100 player.
Anything wrong with my logic?
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
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Your logic would be sound if the assumptions made were correct; however, that assumption is extremely incorrect.
so like I said before:
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It varys quite a bit. In USA you have Division 1 (the best), Division 2 , and Division 3. But within those Divisions the talent of teams vary quite a bit. I played at a low level Division 1 school. We would get destroyed by a top level Division 1 school and would probably lose to some D-2 and D-3 schools. Given there are some many colleges in the USA the talent level is very wide even between the same divisions.
anubis
Hall of Fame
OK, well, you may be right, but at least I'm providing a counterargument with reasoning and evidence. You are just contradicting me. Not really helping much. Saying "you're wrong" and leaving it at that isn't a very good way to argue... even if you are correct.
Your counterargument had reasoning, but not evidence. But then again, neither did my statements. Most of my opinions I extrapolated from my own experience, but I have never played against a woman in the top 100. The best women I have played against were only in the 300-700 range.
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Anubis, your logic is correct only when the WTA player is an interested Serena.
Against any other WTA player, a top D-1 singles player has a very good chance of beating any top WTA player, if he takes it seriously.
Top D-1 is not necessarily a 6.0 player. Just too much spin, too much speed, and too strong a serve, at least equal to Serena's serve.
Against any other WTA player, a top D-1 singles player has a very good chance of beating any top WTA player, if he takes it seriously.
Top D-1 is not necessarily a 6.0 player. Just too much spin, too much speed, and too strong a serve, at least equal to Serena's serve.
mikeler
Moderator
Could they beat a top 5 girl's 14? That is the question du jour.
Pickle9
Professional
You need a new transmission and a Johnson rod. I'm not certified as a car mechanic or have ever worked in the automotive industry but I'll do it yours for free because I like to help people.
Like LeeD said, unless the WTA player is named Serena, they would be in serious trouble against a top level D1 player. A Challengers player would easily defeat most if not all of them.
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
On ttw, even LeeD defeats most of them.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Let's leave my Johnson rod out this
How would a 4.0 hang with a top rated D1 player?
That doesn't even make sense, the gap is huge.
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
In my section the 4.0 players are on a different level altogether. Most of them wear the latest shoes from Tennis Warehouse and stencil their strings. These guys can definitely hang with a falling D1.
dennis10is
Banned
No, the forums, like most forums are filled with males who believe they are much better and smarter than they really are.
KineticChain
Hall of Fame
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
Post a video, we'll tell you about it, exactly.
hcb0804
Hall of Fame
4___________4.5____________5
Bdarb
Hall of Fame
This is the existential question of the twenty-first century..
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
The 4.0 was 41 so he had the age advantage. And the shoes and stencils.
Mongolmike
Hall of Fame
jhick
Hall of Fame
Shoes and stencils make a huge difference. Age advantage and the fact that he was most likely a rising 4.0 are just added bonuses.
I almost cried yesterday when the store that strings my racquet stopped carrying Red Code. Now my strings won't match my racquet as well. It was an instant 0.5 drop in NTRP.
WildVolley
Legend
Am I the only one who thinks Edburger is just an American troll who pretends to be Swedish?
The "everybody claims to be 4.5 and 5.0" gives it away. I know people love to fight about "rate this player" threads, but very few people on Tips and Instruction claim to be even 4.5. Excluding a few devoted trolls who apparently are going to be earning ATP points any day now.
There was a similar thread in which people were discussing their fastest serves. Someone said "everyone claims they serve over 100mph" when if you counted the hundred or so posts in the thread, only three different poasters had claimed to serve over 100mph.
Sorry to interrupt Dali's GOATing.
The "everybody claims to be 4.5 and 5.0" gives it away. I know people love to fight about "rate this player" threads, but very few people on Tips and Instruction claim to be even 4.5. Excluding a few devoted trolls who apparently are going to be earning ATP points any day now.
There was a similar thread in which people were discussing their fastest serves. Someone said "everyone claims they serve over 100mph" when if you counted the hundred or so posts in the thread, only three different poasters had claimed to serve over 100mph.
Sorry to interrupt Dali's GOATing.
Do you mean 120mph? Because being able to serve 100 mph extremely common.
maggmaster
Hall of Fame
I really do not understand how that is still fun Joel...
WildVolley
Legend
No, serving 100mph is not extremely common at the rec level, especially at the 3.0-4.0 level that is realistic for the majority of rec players. That's why a few poasters were upset that rec players could do it. (I agree that it isn't uncommon among healthy athletic guys, but most tennis players aren't healthy athletic guys.)
Saying "everyone claims to serve 100mph" was meant to rip on the other poasters, just like someone saying everyone here claims to be 4.5 or 5.0 when in reality, only a few poasters claim 5.0.
From now on, I'd like to see those claiming "everyone" is claiming 4.5-5.0 to start naming names. Yeah! No more concern trolling that everyone else is exaggerating their skill level (for the sake of sanity, we can ignore whatever LeeD claims about his latest level and delivering beat downs to Data-Crumb).
Spin Doctor
Professional
No, you're not. I called him out on his B.S. on another thread. I don't know if he's necessarily American but he is definitely an English speaker. His attempts at fake ESL are comical. My money is on him being MMI.
This, not very polite. Always those who not speak second language, mock other people's English.
I speak four languages. You?
Spin Doctor
Professional
Five.
I'm not mocking your english. I'm mocking your fake ESL. And your trolling skillz.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
beernutz
Hall of Fame
My money is on DefensiveTennis. MMI appears to be back with an account sanctioned by the tt powers-that-be after reaching an agreement to behave himself.
I could care less when the trolls invade the pro player forum because it is pretty much an unreadable mess but it is sad when they somehow find their way here.
I feel like it is common enough that if a male player made the claim that they could serve over 100mph I would have very little reason to doubt that.
You can add my name into the hat of people that claim to be 5.0!! I have another claim that you guys will love to doubt too. I can serve over 120mph!
Avles
Hall of Fame
MMI was DefensiveTennis.
Anyway, I agree with WildVolley and SpinDoctor about our Swedish friend. I'm pretty sure he's about as authentic as the Swedish Chef.
arche3
Banned
lolzz......so funny.
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