Babolat Pure Aero 2019

[Karma Tennis]

^^^ if this theory is correct, then it follows that, if one took a little league baseball bat with same swingweight and balance, and played tennis with it for a year, then he would advanced to professional level by end of year.

Err. the last time I checked, a little league baseball bat didn't have a string bed.

Checkout the TOALSON TRAINING RACQUETS.

My "theory" is correct and is put into practice successfully by tennis coaches all over the world.

 

[Rafaboy]

Err. the last time I checked, a little league baseball bat didn't have a string bed.

Checkout the TOALSON TRAINING RACQUETS.

My "theory" is correct and is put into practice successfully by tennis coaches all over the world.[/

Err. the last time I checked, a little league baseball bat didn't have a string bed.

Checkout the TOALSON TRAINING RACQUETS.

My "theory" is correct and is put into practice successfully by tennis coaches all over the world.

how many of these students have won major championships? how many in top ten ato, wta?

there is no magic tool that will transform a beginner into overnight pro.

but its beginners that waste their money on miracle snake oil salesmen, but are too cheap to pay for legitimate lessons. meanwhile, they swear their progress is advanced from watching free youtube vids.

 

[Rafaboy]

w many of these students have won major championships? how many in top ten ato, wta?

there is no magic tool that will transform a beginner into overnight pro.

but its beginners that waste their money on miracle snake oil salesmen, but are too cheap to pay for legitimate lessons. meanwhile, they swear their progress is advanced from watching free youtube vids.

 

[BHud]

I can’t believe people are complaining about the lack of power with the new PA when it’s still a rocket launcher compared to most racquets out there. Are you people pushers and can’t generate even a little bit of your own power? I strung this thing with Hyper G at 60 lbs and it’s still a powerful frame.

Exactly...I like it because it's easier to control than the 2016 and easier on the arm. I can flatten my shots out much easier with the new version. I replaced the original grip with a Wilson shock shield to add weight and absorb vibration. The combo is working well so far!

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Anyone who is serious about improving their game in the short term needs to ditch all the modern equipment and spend about 500 hours of hitting with a PS85.

No, anyone who is serious about improving their game in the long term!!

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Try it; try training yourself with a traditional player's racquet'. Notice how early you have to get the racquet back to get all that weight moving, how you have to more your feet more correctly and watch the ball more closely in order to make good contact, how you have to actually hit through the path of the ball - now go back to your 'modern' lightweight paddle and hopefully that wrist flick will now be the icing on the cake, instead of the whole cake...

 

[jmacdaununder2]

^^^ if this theory is correct, then it follows that, if one took a little league baseball bat with same swingweight and balance, and played tennis with it for a year, then he would advanced to professional level by end of year.

The 'reductio ad absurdum' is often the 'go to' play of the semi literate; however, seeing as you referenced baseball, please educate me as to why - other than for rhythm, bat speed and swing discipline - baseballers use bat weights in the warm up?

 

[jmacdaununder2]

It's amazing how Rafaboy always replies directly to Nostradamus - not immediately mind, but frequently he is the next poster; I continue to suspect a close working relationship...

 

[Rafaboy]

It's amazing how Rafaboy always replies directly to Nostradamus - not immediately mind, but frequently he is the next poster; I continue to suspect a close working relationship...

i like nostradamus, is ther a law against it? what level of play are you, my friend?

 

[Rafaboy]

The 'reductio ad absurdum' is often the 'go to' play of the semi literate; however, seeing as you referenced baseball, please educate me as to why - other than for rhythm, bat speed and swing discipline - baseballers use bat weights in the warm up?

sorry to hear you are semi literate, keep working on it, itll get better. hopefully.

you obviously know nothing about baseball, and that weights during the warm up is merely to prime the muscles, not to train the swing technique.

now that i have" edjucated" you, you have no reason to continue your illiteracy, so much for trying to improve ignorance. good luck!

 

[Nostradamus]

wait a minute, i dont understand.....

you dont like the overall performance of this one, but u want to buy it in the plus version?

then u say it will be good for all players?

i can truly understand if 2019 is not for you. its not easy to consistantly perform at the higher demand every day.
but you seem to contradict yourself.

are you just seeking a panacea in the plus model? or are you just trying to be contrare on purpose?

or perhaps i just irritate you altogether, for this may i offer my appology.

panacea of this model would be plus version with SW below 330. That would be perfect racket. main reason I didn't like this demo I have is it felt slow at net.

 

[Rafaboy]

hi Nostradamus! thanks for being my friend.
yes, only you can decide what is best for you, and you posess the rare insight to know what will work for you.

ive tried to tell you the best of decribing my experience with PD and hoped it helps.

hopefully the PA plus will suit your play as expected.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

sorry to hear you are semi literate, keep working on it, itll get better. hopefully.

you obviously know nothing about baseball, and that weights during the warm up is merely to prime the muscles, not to train the swing technique.

now that i have" edjucated" you, you have no reason to continue your illiteracy, so much for trying to improve ignorance. good luck!

Why can't they just 'prime the muscles' without a weight then? Sadly I didn't actually mention 'swing technique' either; rhythm, bat speed and swing discipline were mentioned, and are still relevant. Did you deliberately misspell 'edjucated'[sic.]? With you it's hard to tell. It's amazing how often you're able to capitalize letters when you want to; I thought your phone didn't allow you such luxuries?

 

[Rafaboy]

you seem to be caught up in silly games of rhetoric and grammer, a common last ditch vain effort to gain advantage over others.

its possible to prime with no weight, but consider the difference in baseball vs tennis.

unlike tennis, baseball is concerned with an all out effort on one swing, with rest periods in between. without having to get into the whole field of kinestheology, and mascular function, lets just say, the circumstancial excecution differs greatly in both events.

if you warm up with too many repeated strokes, you exhaust the muscles of the needed fuel to explode effectively that one big concentrated effort needed for baseball.

think of running a series of exhaustive wind sprints, without sufficient recovery time for a
60 meter event.

if you value good advice, then do yourself a favor and deny your antagonism.

 

[Karma Tennis]

unlike tennis, baseball is concerned with an all out effort on one swing, with rest periods in between. without having to get into the whole field of kinestheology, and mascular function, lets just say, the circumstancial excecution differs greatly in both events.

if you warm up with too many repeated strokes, you exhaust the muscles of the needed fuel to explode effectively that one big concentrated effort needed for baseball.

So why did you introduce Baseball and Baseball bats into this discussion in the first place?

 

[Rafaboy]

So why did you introduce Baseball and Baseball bats into this discussion in the first place?

to illustrate how silly it would be to practice tennis on the racket that YOU said would give a great training advantage.

cant you see the similarities in comparison?
know what? if you dont get it by now, im gonna need to stop getting into these lengthy "educate me" discussions with people.

im not a kindergarten teacher.

 

[Karma Tennis]

im not a kindergarten teacher.

Indeed you certainly are not a Kindergarten Teacher.

Even a Kindergarten Teacher can understand Basic Physics.

And Kindergarten Teachers have something you clearly lack ........ "Imagination and an ability to think outside of the square" !

 

[JonnyAbs]

I find it both entertaining and cringey that @Rafaboy and @Nostradamus are friends. Two peas in a pod.

OK so back to topic and away from the thread pollution.

I used the PA again last night playing with @ezekiel114. I just don't like the FSI or higher swingweight. The heavier swing hurts my already bum shoulder and I just don't feel confident swinging out and knowing that my ball will be going where I want it to. The launch is too high for my liking and the power is ample. It feels very solid overall, and it is great on volleys, but it messes with my consistency.

The results were also clear in our point play last night. We played a bunch of groundie games to 11. Any time I used the PA, I was losing around 11-5 or maybe worse. When I am playing my best with a racquet I feel confident with, I can usually keep it close and maybe steal a couple here and there. Not at all with the PA. Inconsistent and also makes me more winded than the APD because it is tougher to swing.

When I would switch back to the APD, I was right there and it was very competitive. I could place the ball much better. He is a little better than me overall but I can keep it close being that his knee is banged up, and I was able to do so with the APD. I likely will be selling this frame that has 3 hours of play on it. Maybe it will be the first one to hit the classifieds.

 

[Issya]

I find it both entertaining and cringey that @Rafaboy and @Nostradamus are friends. Two peas in a pod.

OK so back to topic and away from the thread pollution.

I used the PA again last night playing with @ezekiel114. I just don't like the FSI or higher swingweight. The heavier swing hurts my already bum shoulder and I just don't feel confident swinging out and knowing that my ball will be going where I want it to. The launch is too high for my liking and the power is ample. It feels very solid overall, and it is great on volleys, but it messes with my consistency.

The results were also clear in our point play last night. We played a bunch of groundie games to 11. Any time I used the PA, I was losing around 11-5 or maybe worse. When I am playing my best with a racquet I feel confident with, I can usually keep it close and maybe steal a couple here and there. Not at all with the PA. Inconsistent and also makes me more winded than the APD because it is tougher to swing.

When I would switch back to the APD, I was right there and it was very competitive. I could place the ball much better. He is a little better than me overall but I can keep it close being that his knee is banged up, and I was able to do so with the APD. I likely will be selling this frame that has 3 hours of play on it. Maybe it will be the first one to hit the classifieds.

Curious as to which version of the APD you're playing with? Is it the 2013 version with 316 SW? I too find the SW difference of the new PA slightly off-putting to what I am used to. I am hoping that I will adjust to it within a few weeks.

 

[JonnyAbs]

Curious as to which version of the APD you're playing with? Is it the 2013 version with 316 SW? I too find the SW difference of the new PA slightly off-putting to what I am used to. I am hoping that I will adjust to it within a few weeks.

2013

 

[avocadoz]

I find it both entertaining and cringey that @Rafaboy and @Nostradamus are friends. Two peas in a pod.

OK so back to topic and away from the thread pollution.

I used the PA again last night playing with @ezekiel114. I just don't like the FSI or higher swingweight. The heavier swing hurts my already bum shoulder and I just don't feel confident swinging out and knowing that my ball will be going where I want it to. The launch is too high for my liking and the power is ample. It feels very solid overall, and it is great on volleys, but it messes with my consistency.

The results were also clear in our point play last night. We played a bunch of groundie games to 11. Any time I used the PA, I was losing around 11-5 or maybe worse. When I am playing my best with a racquet I feel confident with, I can usually keep it close and maybe steal a couple here and there. Not at all with the PA. Inconsistent and also makes me more winded than the APD because it is tougher to swing.

When I would switch back to the APD, I was right there and it was very competitive. I could place the ball much better. He is a little better than me overall but I can keep it close being that his knee is banged up, and I was able to do so with the APD. I likely will be selling this frame that has 3 hours of play on it. Maybe it will be the first one to hit the classifieds.

Why don't you have TW find you a couple of new Pure Aeros with the lowest sw? I'm sure with the varied QC, they could find a couple that's sub 320.

 

[JEGO]

Just got to play with my new PA yesterday. To my feeling, the power of the racquet is somewhere between de APD (2013) and the PA (2017), which I think is good, but for some reason the ball lacked spin. I continued using my APD because the PA 2017 was uncontrollable for me, but (I don't know if I'm hallucinating) when I got to play with my new PA yesterday, I felt the PA with less spin than the APD. Has any anyone experienced this?

 

[JonnyAbs]

Why don't you have TW find you a couple of new Pure Aeros with the lowest sw? I'm sure with the varied QC, they could find a couple that's sub 320.

Because it is also, and maybe more importantly, the drill pattern (FSI) that I don't like.

 

[JonnyAbs]

Just got to play with my new PA yesterday. To my feeling, the power of the racquet is somewhere between de APD (2013) and the PA (2017), which I think is good, but for some reason the ball lacked spin. I continued using my APD because the PA 2017 was uncontrollable for me, but (I don't know if I'm hallucinating) when I got to play with my new PA yesterday, I felt the PA with less spin than the APD. Has any anyone experienced this?

Yes for both 2016, 2019, and the wilson steam racquets, I didn't notice more spin but rather an extreme launch angle and more power that was tough to control.

also you might want to go tonya harding on him ... use that otherwise inferior PA to whack his bum knee a few times. i have no idea where that came from im just trying to help you win

I have considered it but then I would lose a hitting partner!

 

[Issya]

You all should leave @Rafaboy alone. He’s just enthusiastic about tennis and that’s a good thing. Not sure why people feel the need to start insulting others over nothing.

Just block people if you don’t like what they have to say.

 

[mhkeuns]

So, how is the new Pure Aero? Does the lower RA and power help it feel and play better than the previous sledge hammer?

 

[TennisHound]

I demand that from babolat since I spend a lot of money on babolat products

$7 dampeners and grips don’t count bro

 

[franco Rodriguez]

Just got my 19’ aero and everytime i hit is making this ping sound and feels like is broken . None of the older version that i have make that sound.
I always use dampeners so thats not the problem.
Hopefully is not a defective frame

Not happy at all.

 

[Rafaboy]

So, how is the new Pure Aero? Does the lower RA and power help it feel and play better than the previous sledge hammer?

my finding, overall plays better, but you need to push it to higher level of intensity, than you are used to with previous model.

i find that best way to use this one initially, after warm up, of course, swing hard and dont concern with accuracy at first, then make the needed corrections afterward

 

[Rafaboy]

Just got my 19’ aero and everytime i hit is making this ping sound and feels like is broken . None of the older version that i have make that sound.
I always use dampeners so thats not the problem.
Hopefully is not a defective frame

Not happy at all.

doesnt sound familiar with this racket. previous versions, yes.

 

[mhkeuns]

my finding, overall plays better, but you need to push it to higher level of intensity, than you are used to with previous model.

i find that best way to use this one initially, after warm up, of course, swing hard and dont concern with accuracy at first, then make the needed corrections afterward

Thanks. Intrigued at the sound of it being lower powered than the previous model but was a bit skeptical on being able to notice the difference. How do you like the feel compared to the precious one? Do the feel the same?

 

[mhkeuns]

Just got my 19’ aero and everytime i hit is making this ping sound and feels like is broken . None of the older version that i have make that sound.
I always use dampeners so thats not the problem.
Hopefully is not a defective frame

Not happy at all.

I had the same thing happen to be with the first Graphene frames (*Prestige MP & Extreme Pro), but I think it could have been the string, or bad grommets. You might also want to get the second opinion from a local pro.

 

[Rafaboy]

You all should leave @Rafaboy alone. He’s just enthusiastic about tennis and that’s a good thing. Not sure why people feel the need to start insulting others over nothing.

Just block people if you don’t like what they have to say.

i thank you, issya, for having the clarity of mind and insight to seethru the many illusions people set up to distract from their own shortcomings.

i wont delete them, because as in tennis, coach antone always teaches not giv ing up, but take the challange to the bitter end. same goes for life. when the attitude of winning is woven into every warp and woof of your existence, then you know, theough and through, that you have done the best you can possibly do.

coach also tells us, if you want to excel at any sport, you cannot just practice it, or train for it, but you must live it.

so apparent that the critics and naysayers here express all their negative habits by their obvious comments.

again, i appreciate your candid advice, and this my grattitude back to you and other dedicated players here.

so perverse that the losers even think i am the same persons they speak of. hilarious though, good for a laugh is always a good thing.

 

[Rafaboy]

Thanks. Intrigued at the sound of it being lower powered than the previous model but was a bit skeptical on being able to notice the difference. How do you like the feel compared to the precious one? Do the feel the same?

it feels more solid and a bit more compact. wants you to hit harder and will supply you with control at higher levels. excellent for me.

still use 2016 one , but for serious play, 2019 takes to next level.

 

[mhkeuns]

it feels more solid and a bit more compact. wants you to hit harder and will supply you with control at higher levels. excellent for me.

still use 2016 one , but for serious play, 2019 takes to next level.

Sounds really interesting. Thanks.

 

[SpinToWin]

Seem to get my best double results with Babolat personally, so don't think you can just blanket out the whole brand! I use Pure Drive Tour + Length at the moment and it is a great weapon on serve at the net and from the back. Sure it could have a bit more control and feel but string sets ups can help with that. The big downside with Babolat is stiffness, I'm hoping the new Pure Aero + can come in at a lower rating than the last one. The difficulty in Europe is plus length (27.5 specifically) outside of Babolat is either just plain not sold here or very hard to find.

Seems the new plus length VCores from Yonex might be coming to Europe

 

[SpinToWin]

Lol I can’t believe people are starting serious disputes about racquets. And especially including Fedace lol

 

[Rafaboy]

Lol I can’t believe people are starting serious disputes about racquets. And especially including Fedace lol

me neither lol

 

[Rafaboy]

hey NOSTRADMUS, havent heard from you for a while. any progress on that plus PA simulation?

 

[Rafaboy]

hit with my TENNIS WAREHOUSE 2019 PA last night, after a month of switching between this and my decima. really getting used to the 2019. i have two of them and looking forward to another spare.

its truely a game changer. it even improved my game with the decima.

to tell you the truth, i have never felt as connected to any racket as this one, confidence inspiring, there is more room to consider other aspects of your game, not having to worry about mis hitting, relaxation equals efficiency and speed of movement.

if you demo it, give it some time, say a few weeks, before you make any judgement on it.

i will continue my feedback on this as i progress with this racket.

 

[dgoran]

Tried it yesterday and this update is good. Really fixed that hollow feel even more than new Pure Drive,its almost like new ezone 98 but way easier to use. I could play it w/o dampener with with rubber band its muted and just the way I like it no buzz pings nothing (I like really muted racquets). It feels better than original IMHO and I had those for a while. It does feel less spinny in comparison to the previous version, almost like it takes out few rpm's out of rpm blast 16, but nothing drastic and nothing that say putting shaped poly in will not put back if you really need that 100 extra rpms lol.

 

[TennisHound]

my finding, overall plays better, but you need to push it to higher level of intensity, than you are used to with previous model.

i find that best way to use this one initially, after warm up, of course, swing hard and dont concern with accuracy at first, then make the needed corrections afterward

Good points actually

 

[frogboy2002]

Seems the new plus length VCores from Yonex might be coming to Europe

wow any link?

 

[gutfeeling]

Tried it yesterday and this update is good. Really fixed that hollow feel even more than new Pure Drive,its almost like new ezone 98 but way easier to use. I could play it w/o dampener with with rubber band its muted and just the way I like it no buzz pings nothing (I like really muted racquets). It feels better than original IMHO and I had those for a while. It does feel less spinny in comparison to the previous version, almost like it takes out few rpm's out of rpm blast 16, but nothing drastic and nothing that say putting shaped poly in will not put back if you really need that 100 extra rpms lol.

Your reviews are always on point. I should get mine within next few days, excited to compare notes!

 

[SpinToWin]

wow any link?

Michelle answered me in the TW Questions section IIRC

 

[frogboy2002]

Michelle answered me in the TW Questions section IIRC

Dunlop one is coming too, great news hopefully the start of them all coming over here.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

hit with my TENNIS WAREHOUSE 2019 PA last night, after a month of switching between this and my decima. really getting used to the 2019. i have two of them and looking forward to another spare.

its truely a game changer. it even improved my game with the decima.

to tell you the truth, i have never felt as connected to any racket as this one, confidence inspiring, there is more room to consider other aspects of your game, not having to worry about mis hitting, relaxation equals efficiency and speed of movement.

if you demo it, give it some time, say a few weeks, before you make any judgement on it.

i will continue my feedback on this as i progress with this racket.

Yes, and please post video of you hitting with the two models highlighting the improvements in your game.

 

[liftordie]

highlighting the improvements in your game.

lol

 

[Rafaboy]

Yes, and please post video of you hitting with the two models highlighting the improvements in your game.

stop harassing me old man.

 

[Rafaboy]

lol

hi