Brand new Pure Aero VS 2020

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Thank you for the review, how would you compare it to the Pure Strike?¿

To me: PS 3rd gen has slightly more feel, control, flex but less power and slower racquet head speed than PAVS. I didn't find spin noticeably different. I did not like PS14 or PS17 (project 17) and was playing PA Tour.

I probably need to try all poly in the low 40s with the PAVS, some testers in the TW forum test chain said that feels pretty good.
 

Lavs

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I actually developed chronic pain in my right shoulder and left wrist (2 handed backhand). Silicone may have helped with the bottom hand but not sure how much it would have done for the top hand. After a few years with the APDO I understood the concept of the cortex dampening tech. I could have also played a softer poly or a hybrid with a softer string.
But that dampening tech got away all the natural feel you can have on contact. Also, it decreased the control of the racket. I just can't flat out the shot with APD GT which is normally not a problem for me when using APDO.
 
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gutfeeling

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But that dampening tech got away all the natural feel you can have on contact. Also, it decreased the control of the racket. I just can't to flat out the shot with APD GT which is normally not a problem for me when using APDO.

I didn't like the GT either. The APDO is special because of the materials used (high modulus graphite) and the weight distribution of the frame (relatively more weight at the tip and throat, relatively less weight on the sides of the hoop). I also miss the APD 16x19 pattern. The Yonex Ezone 16x19 pattern is close but not quite the same.
 

Lavs

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I didn't like the GT either. The APDO is special because of the materials used (high modulus graphite) and the weight distribution of the frame (relatively more weight at the tip and throat, relatively less weight on the sides of the hoop). I also miss the APD 16x19 pattern. The Yonex Ezone 16x19 pattern is close but not quite the same.
Weight Distibution in APDO is the key of its success. I think it is best combination of frame's layup / weight distribution among all the rackets in the given specs on the market.
 

mad dog1

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I probably need to try all poly in the low 40s with the PAVS, some testers in the TW forum test chain said that feels pretty good.
I think my username is “some testers”. :)

my last setup was Discho Iontec 1.25 black mains crossed with kirschbaum max power rough 1.25 at 44/42# strung on a Babolat Sensor using a modified JET method. With a babolat O vibration dampener, it felt very solid and comfortable. only downside was the mains stopped snapping back after about 3 hours. Gonna cut out the strings since the mains are nearly half notched and the crosses are flattened. I think I’m going to try the next string job at 46/41.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Weight Distibution in APDO is the key of its success. I think it is best combination of frame's layup / weight distribution among all the rackets in the given specs on the market.
Thought it was too head heavy. I actually removed the bumper and perforated it with a bunch of holes using a leather punch to remove 3 points of SW.
 

Lavs

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Thought it was too head heavy. I actually removed the bumper and perforated it with a bunch of holes using a leather punch to remove 3 points of SW.
I normally put Silicone in the handle. It is enough to fill 1.5inch to change the balance from 4pts to 6pts. It makes the racket even more solid and more comfortable at the net.
 
I think my username is “some testers”. :)

my last setup was Discho Iontec 1.25 black mains crossed with kirschbaum max power rough 1.25 at 44/42# strung on a Babolat Sensor using a modified JET method. With a babolat O vibration dampener, it felt very solid and comfortable. only downside was the mains stopped snapping back after about 3 hours. Gonna cut out the strings since the mains are nearly half notched and the crosses are flattened. I think I’m going to try the next string job at 46/41.

let us know how 46/41 goes and then I am going to string whatever you preferred
 

haqq777

Legend
Sorry, but I would not agree. APD Original has the best feel among all APD releases. It is raw and honest. It does not dump which allows to hit with some good top spin as long as to flat the shots out.
You actually "feel" the ball upon contact, in contrast to all Cortex versions or Pure Aeros, which totally dump the feel. OG APD is most flexible too (not saying it is soft but it's highest comfort comparing to other APDs/PAs)
I think the take on this will be pretty subjective and vary greatly. Especially when it comes to feel where everyone is different. I love the last generation APD (2013) and felt it was the best combination of power, spin, control and comfort in all APDs. It wasn't as raw feeling as the APDO, and I liked the somewhat muted feedback. Also left a bit room for customization if one wanted to go that route. The APDO was a little too lively for my taste and without modifying it buzzed a lot. Also did not feel as refined to me. For me, hands down the last generation APD wins.

Among all 4 generations of APD, it is also the most comfortable to play with, in my experience at least. Mine are 67 RA strung (measured on RDC), same as the APDO RA rating. Have never had any arm issues whatsoever and I have had them since forever. I love trying different racquets, strings and gear but find myself coming back to them in the end one way or the other.

Of all the 4 generations Aeropro Drives, for me the worst one was in fact the APDC, the one that came after the Original and before the 2010 GT. Hollow feeling, had a very pronounced tinny and pingy feedback, and lacked the solid feedback on ball contact. They upped the swingweight with GT version after that and then lowered it back down with the APD 2013 (before upping it again with introduction of Pure Aero in 2016). I think a lot of folk like the 2010 GT too because it swung heaviest and felt very solid.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I think the take on this will be pretty subjective and vary greatly. Especially when it comes to feel where everyone is different. I love the last generation APD (2013) and felt it was the best combination of power, spin, control and comfort in all APDs. It wasn't as raw feeling as the APDO, and I liked the somewhat muted feedback. Also left a bit room for customization if one wanted to go that route. The APDO was a little too lively for my taste and without modifying it buzzed a lot. Also did not feel as refined to me. For me, hands down the last generation APD wins.

Among all 4 generations of APD, it is also the most comfortable to play with, in my experience at least. Mine are 67 RA strung (measured on RDC), same as the APDO RA rating. Have never had any arm issues whatsoever and I have had them since forever. I love trying different racquets, strings and gear but find myself coming back to them in the end one way or the other.

Of all the 4 generations Aeropro Drives, for me the worst one was in fact the APDC, the one that came after the Original and before the 2010 GT. Hollow feeling, had a very pronounced tinny and pingy feedback, and lacked the solid feedback on ball contact. They upped the swingweight with GT version after that and then lowered it back down with the APD 2013 (before upping it again with introduction of Pure Aero in 2016). I think a lot of folk like the 2010 GT too because it swung heaviest and felt very solid.
Mirrors my experience as well! Except i never tried the 2nd version of the apd.
 

Faris

Professional
Trying to retain the same pocketing feel while extending the amount of time before the mains stop snapping back.
Have strung mine very close to yours (44/42) although I have no idea abt JET method. Maybe I should look into it, I had heard about Sergeti method, not this. Meed to try that too! I will be ordering another PAVS, this is an amazing racquet, fits right between of what I wanted really..
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Have strung mine very close to yours (44/42) although I have no idea abt JET method. Maybe I should look into it, I had heard about Sergeti method, not this. Meed to try that too! I will be ordering another PAVS, this is an amazing racquet, fits right between of what I wanted really..
It is!
 

Beeboywhoo

New User
I know this is a PA VS thread, but this one seems pretty active. Damn I just bought a set of PA, the last time I had a PA was the 2013 version lol. My last racquet was the storm cortex. I strung the PA with a weaker poly, hyper -G @ 52, and My god this racket shoots every ball to the fence :( Granted I'm also switching from a full western, closed grip to Semi Western knuckle spread, so it may be my technique as well. But I might have to string this in the mid to high 50s. Jeeze.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I know this is a PA VS thread, but this one seems pretty active. Damn I just bought a set of PA, the last time I had a PA was the 2013 version lol. My last racquet was the storm cortex. I strung the PA with a weaker poly, hyper -G @ 52, and My god this racket shoots every ball to the fence :( Granted I'm also switching from a full western, closed grip to Semi Western knuckle spread, so it may be my technique as well. But I might have to string this in the mid to high 50s. Jeeze.
No. Go the other direction on tension. I know it’s counterintuitive, but try it.
 

Lavs

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I am curious to try this racket out but it is out of the stock in my local shop and will arrive in 2 Weeks.
Any updates from the testers? How did you customize this frame? I am not sure if Silicone really needed as it is plaush (according to some reviews), what about Lead? And where - @12 or @3/9?
 

BBender716

Professional
Selling my Pure Aero Tour and hoping to grab a PAVS or PA non-tour! Hope to join you guys soon. Anyone looking to unload one here? Also reading the grip runs big. Should I go 4 1/4 if I normally play 4 3/8?

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haqq777

Legend
Wife gifted me two more of the PAVS, an early birthday present, and they arrived today. Camera just doesn't do justice really. That gunmetal color combo is just so damn gorgeous!

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haqq777

Legend
I am curious to try this racket out but it is out of the stock in my local shop and will arrive in 2 Weeks.
Any updates from the testers? How did you customize this frame? I am not sure if Silicone really needed as it is plaush (according to some reviews), what about Lead? And where - @12 or @3/9?
I have played stock with couple of decent college level kids so far. Experienced zero wobble, twisting or stability issues. Might add maybe a couple grams in upper hoop but don't feel the need at the moment, honestly. Loving it. Coming off APD.
 

haqq777

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@haqq777 what's your deal man, how are you finding all these young guns to hit with (serious question, not trolling)?
No worries, yeah it is a university town and the school has a nice DII tennis program. They regularly make it to the Regionals and compete with top schools. The #1 player in the lineup was the conference player of the year and hits with me all the time too :)
 

gutfeeling

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No worries, yeah it is a university town and the school has a nice DII tennis program. They regularly make it to the Regionals and compete with top schools. The #1 player in the lineup was the conference player of the year and hits with me all the time too :)

Which school? Are you a coach/teaching pro or a junkie (like me) that is really plugged in to the local tennis scene?
 

haqq777

Legend
Which school? Are you a coach/teaching pro or a junkie (like me) that is really plugged in to the local tennis scene?
Just a lowly former DII player really that likes to hit whenever I can. The coach and entire staff are good friends of mine too so that helps a lot in facilitating it all. I think junkie would be an understatement really :)
 

gutfeeling

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Guys,I've hit with @haqq777 when we were scouting colleges for my youngest in the DMV area.He also hit with my son.I can attest that he is a terrific tennis player & above all a very decent & humble guy.One of the good ones here on talk tennis.
Cool, I grew up in Montgomery County and my parents still live there. Not a bad place to go to school and play tennis imo.
 

sanister

Professional
Cool, I grew up in Montgomery County and my parents still live there. Not a bad place to go to school and play tennis imo.
Nice, my inlaws live in Fairfax County (Springfield area) & some of my relatives are farther south more towards I think Dulles airport area so we were thinking something nearby for my kid.We ultimately ended up choosing in Northwest which suited us all bettter but yeah,it is indeed a very good place for schools & tennis.
 

haqq777

Legend
I know this was being discussed in the playtest thread earlier but does everyone feel that grip runs a bit bigger? I might have to replace mine with Syntac Team (since they discontinued Skinfeel). The grip is definitely bigger than normal.
 

BBender716

Professional
Super helpful here. Definitely going 4 1/4 then once I get rid of my Blade. Might grab from my local tennis shop though since I'm sure they were hit hard by shut downs.

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tsamo

Semi-Pro
I know this was being discussed in the playtest thread earlier but does everyone feel that grip runs a bit bigger? I might have to replace mine with Syntac Team (since they discontinued Skinfeel). The grip is definitely bigger than normal.

Really? Mine is the smallest L3 I've ever owned!
With Leather grip and an overgrip it runs only 11 cm.
 

AA7

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I know this was being discussed in the playtest thread earlier but does everyone feel that grip runs a bit bigger? I might have to replace mine with Syntac Team (since they discontinued Skinfeel). The grip is definitely bigger than normal.
Yes. I ordered one to put it through its paces and went with 2. I use 3 in wilson.. 2 felt right. Same with yonex... 3 is too big
 

haqq777

Legend
@haqq777 can you please compare the 2020 ezone 98 to the PAVS as I believe you have hit both? Thanks.
Absolutely. Very different playing and feeling for me. PAVS is a bit more powerful and feels firmer/crisper on contact. Is also more stable. Hits a heavier ball for me in stock form. The 2020 Ezone 98 had better control and precision (perhaps due to denser pattern in the middle comparatively) and felt more muted in feedback. Less spin than PAVS but better linear control and quicker through the air. Overall both are fantastic frames I think.
 

haqq777

Legend
Really? Mine is the smallest L3 I've ever owned!
With Leather grip and an overgrip it runs only 11 cm.
Interesting. I'll measure some regular L2 handles and PAVS L2 handles along with some L3 as well today using a measuring tape, and report back hopefully with some pictures. Were you able to measure your PAVS grip stock without overgrip by any chance?
 

tsamo

Semi-Pro
Interesting. I'll measure some regular L2 handles and PAVS L2 handles along with some L3 as well today using a measuring tape, and report back hopefully with some pictures. Were you able to measure your PAVS grip stock without overgrip by any chance?

Unfortunately no.
BUT!! I measured all my current rackets, every one of which have the same setup, leather grip and overgrip. I have 4 L2's and 3 L3's.
My PAVS was the second slimmest from all of them! Only my L2 Gravity Pro was slightly slimmer at 10.9cm.
 

Lavs

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Unfortunately no.
BUT!! I measured all my current rackets, every one of which have the same setup, leather grip and overgrip. I have 4 L2's and 3 L3's.
My PAVS was the second slimmest from all of them! Only my L2 Gravity Pro was slightly slimmer at 10.9cm.
Seems to be legendary Babolat's QC lol
 

gutfeeling

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Absolutely. Very different playing and feeling for me. PAVS is a bit more powerful and feels firmer/crisper on contact. Is also more stable. Hits a heavier ball for me in stock form. The 2020 Ezone 98 had better control and precision (perhaps due to denser pattern in the middle comparatively) and felt more muted in feedback. Less spin than PAVS but better linear control and quicker through the air. Overall both are fantastic frames I think.
I have not played the PAVS but your EZ98 assessment seems almost identical to mine. Both sticks are 305g and 31.5cm stock but the PAVS sounds like a stick that has a more polarized weight distribution and a slightly firmer layup. The EZ98 plays and feels like it has its weight concentrated around the throat and low/mid hoop which makes it feel firmer than 64RA to me. Sometimes while I am playing I look down expecting to see my old aeropro because that is the kind of response this stick gives me, although the EZ98 is more muted. Very excited for the battle of the arm friendly 305 gram players sticks that the manufacturers have started. The Head 360+ Extreme Tour that is launching in 2 weeks looks intriguing as well.
 

Lavs

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Unfortunately no.
BUT!! I measured all my current rackets, every one of which have the same setup, leather grip and overgrip. I have 4 L2's and 3 L3's.
My PAVS was the second slimmest from all of them! Only my L2 Gravity Pro was slightly slimmer at 10.9cm.
Could PAVS "large grip", that many testers complained about, be caused just by initial Syntec Pro grip, that is rather thick?
If you replace it with some leather, will the grip size remain that unusual big??
 

haqq777

Legend
Following up here to my last post as it was sort of bothering me a bit, lol.

I took two of my new Babolat racquets. One was the latest Pure Strike in Grip 3 (4 3/8) and the other was the latest Pure Aero VS in Grip 2 (4 1/4). Both racquets brand new with plastic on handles.

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This is the measurement for Pure Strike grip. Pretty on par with standard Babolat Grip 3:

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Now the interesting bit. Here is a picture from the new Pure Aero VS that is Grip 2:

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So I wasn't off my rocker in thinking the grip for this thing came in bigger. The new PAVS is one whole size bigger and comes in flush at (4 3/8) in size, as you guys can see in the picture.

Granted this isn't a super scientific method, but still, I felt a significant enough difference when holding the racquets so definitely worth checking for yourself.
 

haqq777

Legend
I have not played the PAVS but your EZ98 assessment seems almost identical to mine. Both sticks are 305g and 31.5cm stock but the PAVS sounds like a stick that has a more polarized weight distribution and a slightly firmer layup. The EZ98 plays and feels like it has its weight concentrated around the throat and low/mid hoop which makes it feel firmer than 64RA to me. Sometimes while I am playing I look down expecting to see my old aeropro because that is the kind of response this stick gives me, although the EZ98 is more muted. Very excited for the battle of the arm friendly 305 gram players sticks that the manufacturers have started. The Head 360+ Extreme Tour that is launching in 2 weeks looks intriguing as well.
Yes, very nice assessment of the Ezone 98. I'm looking forward to the new Extreme Tour as well. Didn't know it was launching in two weeks! God knows what excuse I'll be making to get that one, lol.
 
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