Connor35
Semi-Pro
I attended. Most were … except for one particular ball “girl” who must’ve been 60. No kidding.
I attended. Most were … except for one particular ball “girl” who must’ve been 60. No kidding.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Sinner is the winner
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Astounding that there is not more interest in this win by Sinner. So many people have been crying for younger champions, but now that there is one it's almost been ignored.
Sinner rises to #10 in the race, just 250 points behind #8 (Ruud). A debut appearance at the ATP Finals is very much on the cards for the young man.
McDonald meanwhile jumps to #30 in the race and returns to the top 100 for the first time in almost two years, rising to number 64, seven spots below his previous career best ranking of 57.
McDonald meanwhile jumps to #30 in the race and returns to the top 100 for the first time in almost two years, rising to number 64, seven spots below his previous career best ranking of 57.
V
Vamos Rafa Nadal
Guest
With the exception of Rublev I love all of the major players at Toronto! I can't quite figure out why I dislike Rublev but I do.
I found myself really wanting McDonald to win during the match but I knew Sinner would prevail. I thought it was his third tournament win but they said it was only his second? Congrats to Sinner on his win - dropping only one set - in the final - on his way to his victory!
I found myself really wanting McDonald to win during the match but I knew Sinner would prevail. I thought it was his third tournament win but they said it was only his second? Congrats to Sinner on his win - dropping only one set - in the final - on his way to his victory!
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Winning a 500 against a fringe top 100 player isn't really what we had in mind.
He was already in a Masters final this year so it's not like this is some huge breakthrough.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Congrats to Sinner on winning his 3rd ATP title, 2nd this season and 1st at 500 level. He becomes the 1st Italian player to win in Washington and the youngest player ever to win an ATP500 event.
Congrats also to McDonald on making a fine run to the final and making it such a close match. He just missed out on joining the list of maiden titlists this season.
Congrats also to McDonald on making a fine run to the final and making it such a close match. He just missed out on joining the list of maiden titlists this season.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
What "we" had in mind?
I'm absolutely fine with what happened. I find it refreshing!
stringertom
Bionic Poster
JMDP won Washington at a slightly younger age (about a month younger).
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Oh, you obviously are amnesiac about Rafael Nadal in 2005. One slam, 4 M1Ks and at least 2 500 titles. All at a much younger age than Sinner/JMDP at Washington.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
"Teenagers had been 0-5 in ATP 500 finals since the category was created in 2009."
It seems to be a technicality based on the name "ATP 500" that apparently started in 2009. I don't know the history, but I think that's what it is about.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, the ATP website states he is since the ATP 500 category was created in 2009.
Rafa and Delpo first won these type of events in 2005 and 2008. Evidently they were not classed as 500 events at that time.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Oh, let’s split hairs. JMDP won the very same tournament the last year it was International Series Gold. Nadal has now won ATP500 Barca 8x instead of 12x because of ATP name changing. Thanks for clearing that up for all of us!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Please see my amended reply. The ATP apparently only dates ATP500s from 2009 which was later than when Rafa and Delpo began winning this type of event.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I’ll apply then! My synopsis was posted immediately after the final was completed on the preceding page of this thread and was ridiculed for the slim chance of Sinner winning this week to join JMDP as 4x teen titleists, just 12 back of The Nadal.Alas, I guess I allowed the ATP website to mislead me. This is what they said:
"The Italian overcame his nerves and American Mackenzie McDonald 7-5, 4-6, 7-5 on Sunday to win the Citi Open and became the youngest ATP 500 champion since the category was created in 2009. No other teen has lifted a trophy at the level."
Someone should fire whoever wrote this!
Picmun
Hall of Fame
Congratulations Nuclear Warhead Sinner! - Just when you dumped the guy in disgust and changed your monika he comes through and proves you right ! @Nuclear Warhead LOL ! ;-)
Above- Jannik Sinner.
Above- Jannik Sinner.
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Deleted member 783101
Guest
Congratulations Nuclear Warhead Sinner! - Just when you dumped the guy in disgust and changed your monika he comes through and proves you right ! @Nuclear Warhead LOL ! ;-)
Above Yannick Sinner.
Picmun
Hall of Fame
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Yes, according to TTW logic it would have become impossible for a teen with two titles (at the time of posting) to reach ATG had he lost to Jetson Astroby. Throw him in the trash bin! He’s a bum!Congratulations Nuclear Warhead Sinner! - Just when you dumped the guy in disgust and changed your monika he comes through and proves you right ! @Nuclear Warhead LOL ! ;-)
Above- Jannik Sinner.
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Deleted member 783101
Guest
You know very well he has serious choking problems. You also know very well his current game won't get him far. If you don't, you're delusional. All your predictions are based on Sinner making massive improvements, and I currently don't see him being capable of that. It would take a literal self rediscovery to achieve Rublev level solidity and consistency and an even greater ecdysis to get to ATG level. Musetti has much higher chances of becoming an ATG than Sinner does.
Experience can only get you so far and Sinner is not as naturally talented as people may think.
James P
G.O.A.T.
You should have seen him this week. You clearly missed out. First serve was way better, second serve was an improved kicker, getting stronger in the legs all the time, excellent volleying and overall killer instinct this week.
This was just one week, but clearly improved in the last 6 weeks or so. The gains are startling.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Yeah, right. I’m the bolded part and you’re not by touting another youngster for solidity when Rublev went from winning just one teen title and a slam QF to outside top 100 in 18 months?
Serious choking problems? How does 9-4 in decisive sets in 2021 fit into that cheap shot thumbnail you just issued?
I had you on “ignore” until two hours ago and you go back on the list now. You exhibit exactly the type of knee jerk analysis that is sadly getting so viral around here. Son, I’ve forgotten more about tennis than you will ever learn.
Bye now! Enjoy your shortsightedness and bitter lifestyle.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Can I give 100 likes???
Also, and I hope I’m not jinxing the young man: aside from a bad case of blisters, one of the better parts of Sinner’s ability is availability. A second nice attribute is resiliency…that loss to O’Connell in his first first match in a month was answered with the title run. This is where having a wise old sage in the box like Piatti is a real ace in the hole. I also have to think Piatti was behind the decision to play dubs for work on the serve at both Atlanta and Washington. This week he teams with a third different guy, fellow Miami finalist Hubie Hurk.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I only wish there were two grass seasons like the 1970s, where he could go Down Under in the off-season to work on his Achilles heel surface. Maybe Piatti will send him on a mini-break to a mild climate destination that has grass courts playable during the off-season. Antalya? I have no idea if the grass stays playable in December???
Picmun
Hall of Fame
"TTW logic" the original oxymoron.
Jetson is already at ATG - Watch that kid go - plays like a well know Bin Man Bum - Well, so TTW says - Can't see it meself !
Don't see how "Nuclear Warhead" Sinner can be disparaging of Sinner now !
Anyway, is it not so refreshing to be discussing new "GOAT material" ( LOL! ) rather than the same OLD Fedalovic nonsense, the staple here for what feels like the last 150 bloody years !
Those guys are so FINNISH it's untrue. LOL !
Can wait to see Sinner or Astroby taking down a tired, decrepit, hysterically unhinged Jokersmash SOON !
Above : Jetson Astroby.
(@Nuclear Warhead )
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Sir Andrew tweeted many a compliment about Jetson…a thinking man with volleys and backhand slice like the great Florian Mayer."TTW logic" the original oxymoron.
Jetson is already at ATG - Watch that kid go - plays like a well know Bin Man Bum - Well, so TTW says - Can't see it meself !
Don't see how "Nuclear Warhead" Sinner can be disparaging of Sinner now !
Anyway, is it not so refreshing to be discussing new "GOAT material" ( LOL! ) rather than the same OLD Fedalovic nonsense, the staple here for what feels like the last 150 bloody years !
Those guys are so FINNISH it's untrue. LOL !
Can wait to see Sinner or Astroby taking down a tired, decrepit, hysterically unhinged Jokersmash SOON !
Above : Jetson Astroby.
(@Nuclear Warhead )
Picmun
Hall of Fame
The Bin man, magnanimous to the last.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I explained what I read. No need for sarcasm.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
And I explained everything more clearly than ATP just minutes after the final
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I did not know that the name ATP500 was coined so recently. That was my only point. I'm not disagreeing with what you posted.
He had it figured out early in the second and was finishing points at the net. You’ve nailed the formula with Sinner. I really like him but he’s built like a giraffe and I’m wondering at his longevity if he doesn’t take advantage of his power to finish off points earlier against these guys who can chase down everything
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I didn’t imply you were disagreeing, only that I had posted the appropriate information long before @Mainad added on his recitation of the ATP generated misinformation.
RVAtennisaddict
Professional
Only watched about a set and 1/2. To me the most interesting aspect was mac looked like he was hanging on but clearly doesn't have any big weapons... maybe other his mind and playing smarter.. Sinner just has more gears...
stringertom
Bionic Poster
This would be very accurate about Mac. Have you ever seen the set he won at a Challenger from 4-4 while serving underhanded due to injury occurring when he was a break up?
I will say during that match he proved himself to be a little biotch though. He fought very hard for that set and to keep the second set close. Extremely admirable! When everything went away in the third after more of a fight he decided to quit down 5-1 30-0. Play the two points out, you little jerk! That’s why I’ll never be a Double Mac fan.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Misinformation annoys me, so I understand your point. However, at the moment how the ATP labels a tournament or hypes winners if very VERY low on my personal list of "Important Things". I'm talking about Covid, of course, the one thing we are not allowed to talk about here.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Let me go out on a limb with a real “Rand” then…Duke School of Medicine should sue for damages to their reputation after the latest statements by their alum, the Junior Senator from Kentucky.
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