Closest To Gut?

[sruckauf]

The question should be is there a multi that's close to gut that costs less than 15 bucks? No reason to buy a multi that plays close to gut that's around 19 dollars.

Bingo.

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[slice bh compliment]

I just strung 2 rackets with Babolat Xcel Premium, and I swore I thought I was stringing Gut string... Now I haven't played with it cause this is for a customer, but in the hands it felt like gut.

This is true. But less so when you actually play with it. Xcel is a great multi, but it is far from gut. I used to play with it, and I loved the feel of it, but it loses tension and breaks too soon for me.

I think people who use multis and think soft is gutlike have been misled. Gut is mysteriously soft and firm at the same time. It holds tension well, but it is not really durable. It helps you spin the heck out of the ball, so control is amazing with it, yet, it's really powerful, so some people find they lack control with gut.

Natural gut has got to be the most misunderstood string on the market. maybe because some stringers avoid it. Could be b/c it is expensive. Maybe because people think it is only for the elite players or people with a lot of disposable income.

I see it as a purist's string. I see it as the ideal mate for a polyester if you're into that (I am). I see it as something great for club players with elbow problems. It is actually not that expensive in the long run if you are not a string breaker.

Back on topic, Prince makes something called Perfection that looks and feels good to me.

Lambscroll made the point about an ersatz gutlike multi for under $15, and it is a good point, if it's a good multi you are after. It's also a great point because if you actually want a cheaper gut that does not have quality problems, that is out there too: Pacific Tough Gut, Babolat VS Tonic, Bow, Klip.....all decent and not as much coin as VS Team.

I hear good things about BDE, but when I tried it 10 years ago, I did not fall in love with it. WHich doesn't mean much today.

 

[sneekynyc]

Yea, I know that the babolat Xcel won't come close to playing like gut, but just stringing wise, it is close... I've been using Bow Brand gut for years and I string alot of gut for other players (mainly advanced), but I do recommend it to club level players to at least try it once, and when they do, they usually never go back.

 

[Valjean]

This is true. But less so when you actually play with it. Xcel is a great multi, but it is far from gut. I used to play with it, and I loved the feel of it, but it loses tension and breaks too soon for me.

I think people who use multis and think soft is gutlike have been misled. Gut is mysteriously soft and firm at the same time. It holds tension well, but it is not really durable. It helps you spin the heck out of the ball, so control is amazing with it, yet, it's really powerful, so some people find they lack control with gut.

Natural gut has got to be the most misunderstood string on the market. maybe because some stringers avoid it. Could be b/c it is expensive. Maybe because people think it is only for the elite players or people with a lot of disposable income.

I see it as a purist's string. I see it as the ideal mate for a polyester if you're into that (I am). I see it as something great for club players with elbow problems. It is actually not that expensive in the long run if you are not a string breaker.

Back on topic, Prince makes something called Perfection that looks and feels good to me.

Lambscroll made the point about an ersatz gutlike multi for under $15, and it is a good point, if it's a good multi you are after. It's also a great point because if you actually want a cheaper gut that does not have quality problems, that is out there too: Pacific Tough Gut, Babolat VS Tonic, Bow, Klip.....all decent and not as much coin as VS Team.

I hear good things about BDE, but when I tried it 10 years ago, I did not fall in love with it. WHich doesn't mean much today.

The Xcel Premium you played with has been replaced this year by Xcel 2008, which has addressed the problems of its older, now dated, predecessor very well. And it now competes very handily with Wilson's NXT Max, the updated, reinforced version of original NXT. It is Xcel Power, also new this season, where the real surprise is in Babolat's line, though. Indeed, 2008 could actually turn out to be the watershed year for multis. And by the way, natural gut is in fact very well understood in here--and is now needed more than ever to cut the feel and enhance the power of polyester. Just look at the forum's thread list and feel confirmed in it.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

The question should be is there a multi that's close to gut that costs less than 15 bucks? No reason to buy a multi that plays close to gut that's around 19 dollars.

I think what Valjean and I are saying is that there is a wide range of natural gut. From under $8 per pack to $35+. The question should be more precise. I beg you. Some say it is the NG that we usually talk about. Please forgive me and I am sorry, I do not know what that means. I have been here for more than 7 years and since then we were talking about all kinds of NG since 1999, we can not cherry pick and compare only the best price/performance ratio category, even though we like to. The generalization shifts and continues to the NG's offered by TW, and when we raise TItan which is offered by TW, the comparison shifts again. Valjean raise the issue of amour pro which is $32 and out of place. I know many would buy VS and pacific prime for a few buck more, who wouldn't?

I raised the issue of gauge. To me and maybe only to me? it is all about consistency of gauge. And I am sorry to say the least that with the "cheaper" under $25 NG you get what you pay for. Not only are they inconsistent in gauge they snap more often than not, they snap prematurely and sometimes by themselves while in your car. In my 18g world and IMO there is no better playing string than NRG18g at the price of $10 ( if it were over $20 then maybe no) sure there is legend 18g but it cost $15 more and does not play like a true 18g ( I prefer string twice with fresh NRG18g for the price of one Legend 18g that went dead quick, again that is just me) then there is Bow 18g which at one point was $20, only $10 more was OK, but did not last as long as NRG18g and was not as soft, BOW 18g is a very crisp and very powerful NG, tension maintenance is not an issue since these 18g do not last long anyway and I restring them very often so you can see why price is also a factor. BOW 18g is $30. I do not play 17g even for more durability even if you give them to me free. That is just me. I am sorry.

Sure there are some premium Multis that are better than some NG but then there is an equilibrium and then sometimes certain NG beats Premium Multis (sure Pacific prime 18g with Tyrex coating is light years better than any 18g Premium Multi known to man) but reality hits that not only it is $35, I will take out a second mortgage on the house I do not care if it were readily and easily available. It is not and it is impossible to find. I called pacific they do not want to talk to me maybe if I were Sampras they will, who plays with a special 1.20mm VS that is only available to him from Babolat. 1.20mm in an open PS 85 is like 1.15mm in a dense MP like the PT630.

There has been tests done BY USRSA about tension loss/stiffness and believe me the gap is closing between the premium Multis and these so called premium NG.

I am not disagreeing with anyone nor singling anyone nor baiting anyone, you all have good and valid reason and I respect that. If you want to tear my post apart and claim I am wrong please email me. I will be glade to debate with you on this issue. These are my experiences ONLY.

Thank you

 

[PED]

^^^Nice post. Two questions, 1. Do you use the NRG 18 as a full job and 2. if you were using a stick with a more open string pattern, say 16 X 19, would you still use 18G or would you go to a 17?

thx

 

[sruckauf]

^^^Nice post. Two questions, 1. Do you use the NRG 18 as a full job and 2. if you were using a stick with a more open string pattern, say 16 X 19, would you still use 18G or would you go to a 17?

thx

I wonder the same thing. On my POG OS, I have had little love for 18 gauge strings.. not because of the durability, but playability and control.

 

[Azzurri]

I think what Valjean and I are saying is that there is a wide range of natural gut. From under $8 per pack to $35+. The question should be more precise. I beg you. Some say it is the NG that we usually talk about. Please forgive me and I am sorry, I do not know what that means. I have been here for more than 7 years and since then we were talking about all kinds of NG since 1999, we can not cherry pick and compare only the best price/performance ratio category, even though we like to. The generalization shifts and continues to the NG's offered by TW, and when we raise TItan which is offered by TW, the comparison shifts again. Valjean raise the issue of amour pro which is $32 and out of place. I know many would buy VS and pacific prime for a few buck more, who wouldn't?

I raised the issue of gauge. To me and maybe only to me? it is all about consistency of gauge. And I am sorry to say the least that with the "cheaper" under $25 NG you get what you pay for. Not only are they inconsistent in gauge they snap more often than not, they snap prematurely and sometimes by themselves while in your car. In my 18g world and IMO there is no better playing string than NRG18g at the price of $10 ( if it were over $20 then maybe no) sure there is legend 18g but it cost $15 more and does not play like a true 18g ( I prefer string twice with fresh NRG18g for the price of one Legend 18g that went dead quick, again that is just me) then there is Bow 18g which at one point was $20, only $10 more was OK, but did not last as long as NRG18g and was not as soft, BOW 18g is a very crisp and very powerful NG, tension maintenance is not an issue since these 18g do not last long anyway and I restring them very often so you can see why price is also a factor. BOW 18g is $30. I do not play 17g even for more durability even if you give them to me free. That is just me. I am sorry.

Sure there are some premium Multis that are better than some NG but then there is an equilibrium and then sometimes certain NG beats Premium Multis (sure Pacific prime 18g with Tyrex coating is light years better than any 18g Premium Multi known to man) but reality hits that not only it is $35, I will take out a second mortgage on the house I do not care if it were readily and easily available. It is not and it is impossible to find. I called pacific they do not want to talk to me maybe if I were Sampras they will, who plays with a special 1.20mm VS that is only available to him from Babolat. 1.20mm in an open PS 85 is like 1.15mm in a dense MP like the PT630.

There has been tests done BY USRSA about tension loss/stiffness and believe me the gap is closing between the premium Multis and these so called premium NG.

I am not disagreeing with anyone nor singling anyone nor baiting anyone, you all have good and valid reason and I respect that. If you want to tear my post apart and claim I am wrong please email me. I will be glade to debate with you on this issue. These are my experiences ONLY.

Thank you

Maybe if your posts were as sincere as this you would not have so many problems.

But I have a question. What about tension maintenance? You have argued hard for gauge characteristics, but 90% of us would not really be able to tell when the gauge is off a bit on a particular part of a string, so let that go for now. The main issue I have w/any multi is the tension aspect. I have stated countless times that some multi's are nice, good, quality strings, but my main beef has been the tension (which is why I end up saying they suck). You see, almost everyone's arguement included the issue with the multi string going dead so quickly. When you talk about the cost, it is a bit irrelevant to compare cost with multi vs gut. Gut last so much longer (to almost everyone else). While you and VJ make valid points, you sometimes ignore our valid points. Your last post seems like you seem to be a bit more open minded (or getting the point). So maybe there are some multi's that play compareable to gut, but for how long?

Its hard to change or influence the minds of so many when you are in the minority, it just causes all sorts of problems. People just like gut better than a multi and perhaps it has to do with the tension issues with multi.

I agree that not all gut is the same, yes an $8 is probably not worth buying. No one really even argued this point with you. Yes, when people say gut they mean the gut TW offers. Titan, I don't know what to say about Titan. Some people hate it, some don't. Is it worth a try? Maybe.

Lat thing, those tests don't mean much to normal, everyday, no-pro tennis players. I actually looked into strings based on those tests and I did not find it to be valid (for me). The tension maintanence and playbaility characteristics of Klip, BDE, Babolat, Pacific and BB are heads above the multi;s mentioned (in the real world).

I don't buy into the USRSA tests. I tried strings based on their tests and found nothing to validate them..nothing.

 

[slice bh compliment]

...I don't buy into the USRSA tests. I tried strings based on their tests and found nothing to validate them..nothing.

I think their playTESTS are great. It's qualified people doing them.
If you are referring to their surveys, well, absolutely, you're correct. It's just a survey of what is in the pro shop and what is moving. More of a function of marketing than anything else.

 

[slice bh compliment]

The Xcel Premium you played with has been replaced this year by Xcel 2008, which has addressed the problems of its older, now dated, predecessor very well. And it now competes very handily with Wilson's NXT Max, the updated, reinforced version of original NXT. It is Xcel Power, also new this season, where the real surprise is in Babolat's line, though. Indeed, 2008 could actually turn out to be the watershed year for multis. And by the way, natural gut is in fact very well understood in here--and is now needed more than ever to cut the feel and enhance the power of polyester. Just look at the forum's thread list and feel confirmed in it.

Excellent. Glad they've improved an already wonderful string.

Sure by some. By you. By some others. But not by some people right here in this thread who might not have played with gut extensively.

Absolutely. An important point.

 

[Azzurri]

I think their playTESTS are great. It's qualified people doing them.
If you are referring to their surveys, well, absolutely, you're correct. It's just a survey of what is in the pro shop and what is moving. More of a function of marketing than anything else.

I should clarify..their tests don't really mean much to the normal everyday player. Like their stifnness ratings..I tried the lower end (softer) strings and I felt very little to any difference to what I was using (not poly). The tension maintanence issue is what really got me. I see they have ratings, but not one of them is relevant to me (multi and gut). One multi is supposed to be near gut for tension/playability to Klip...not even close. The multi string died, moved all over within 2 hours (max). I used to use their chart to find certain strings and it became a waste (to me and I feel I am a normal player like most).

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Maybe if your posts were as sincere as this you would not have so many problems.

But I have a question. What about tension maintenance? You have argued hard for gauge characteristics, but 90% of us would not really be able to tell when the gauge is off a bit on a particular part of a string, so let that go for now. The main issue I have w/any multi is the tension aspect. I have stated countless times that some multi's are nice, good, quality strings, but my main beef has been the tension (which is why I end up saying they suck). You see, almost everyone's arguement included the issue with the multi string going dead so quickly. When you talk about the cost, it is a bit irrelevant to compare cost with multi vs gut. Gut last so much longer (to almost everyone else). While you and VJ make valid points, you sometimes ignore our valid points. Your last post seems like you seem to be a bit more open minded (or getting the point). So maybe there are some multi's that play compareable to gut, but for how long?

Its hard to change or influence the minds of so many when you are in the minority, it just causes all sorts of problems. People just like gut better than a multi and perhaps it has to do with the tension issues with multi.

I agree that not all gut is the same, yes an $8 is probably not worth buying. No one really even argued this point with you. Yes, when people say gut they mean the gut TW offers. Titan, I don't know what to say about Titan. Some people hate it, some don't. Is it worth a try? Maybe.

Lat thing, those tests don't mean much to normal, everyday, no-pro tennis players. I actually looked into strings based on those tests and I did not find it to be valid (for me). The tension maintanence and playbaility characteristics of Klip, BDE, Babolat, Pacific and BB are heads above the multi;s mentioned (in the real world).

I don't buy into the USRSA tests. I tried strings based on their tests and found nothing to validate them..nothing.

All your points are well taken and are correct on 99% of your points. I am subtracting one %1 not because of you, the argument does not take into consideration people who play with very very thin strings which are in the minority. Especially people who can tell/feel the difference in gauge. Now for your main question and your main issue. Most of you play 16g and 17g. I wish I did and I envy you. If I did I would be in your camp and will be disagreeing with some nob like myself. These strings last a longer time and when you pay $25-$35 for NG you would expect it to last longer and play consistently well and yes you are correct these NG are better. But when it comes to the very thin 18g, longevity durability does not matter. We string and restring so often, a fresh setup is better more often. They are thin and they are going to break anyway. I am talking a 1/2 dozen hours of play here. Just to give you an idea and I know it is a different sport but for the lack of a better example, There are certain table tennis players that re-glue their rubber sheets ($10 X2 sides sometimes more) every time they come to the table and play just to get the maximum feel, spin and action on their shots.

I think we have found common grounds and will build on this.

Now we have the issue of NG in mains or crosses and which setups are better more economical etc...

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

^^^Nice post. Two questions, 1. Do you use the NRG 18 as a full job and 2. if you were using a stick with a more open string pattern, say 16 X 19, would you still use 18G or would you go to a 17?

thx

I wonder the same thing. On my POG OS, I have had little love for 18 gauge strings.. not because of the durability, but playability and control.

I was using NRG18g as a full job, and sometime I would use Bow 18g in cross, I did not use Bow 18g with nrg18g, when it comes to mains and cross sky is the limits,

You can use thin 18g in open pattern depends what size head, it is just I can break them in 15 minutes, Heck I can even break a 17g in a POG mid in 15 minutes so. I remember I loved NRG18g in PS6.0 95 which is an open MP. I am in the process of putting nrg18g and legend 18g in my prestige pro, part of the reason I got the pro is because of the open pattern (closest to an open PT630) so I can use thicker strings but sadly I have tried three different 17g strings to no avail so I am going thinner,

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

I should clarify..their tests don't really mean much to the normal everyday player. Like their stifnness ratings..I tried the lower end (softer) strings and I felt very little to any difference to what I was using (not poly). The tension maintanence issue is what really got me. I see they have ratings, but not one of them is relevant to me (multi and gut). One multi is supposed to be near gut for tension/playability to Klip...not even close. The multi string died, moved all over within 2 hours (max). I used to use their chart to find certain strings and it became a waste (to me and I feel I am a normal player like most).

correct, they don't mean much to the everyday player.

They are controlled tests where a string is stretched for a certain period in time and whacked a certain amounts of time with an object, I think hammer or a steel ball.

 

[Azzurri]

All your points are well taken and are correct on 99% of your points. I am subtracting one %1 not because of you, the argument does not take into consideration people who play with very very thin strings which are in the minority. Especially people who can tell/feel the difference in gauge. Now for your main question and your main issue. Most of you play 16g and 17g. I wish I did and I envy you. If I did I would be in your camp and will be disagreeing with some nob like myself. These strings last a longer time and when you pay $25-$35 for NG you would expect it to last longer and play consistently well and yes you are correct these NG are better. But when it comes to the very thin 18g, longevity durability does not matter. We string and restring so often, a fresh setup is better more often. They are thin and they are going to break anyway. I am talking a 1/2 dozen hours of play here. Just to give you an idea and I know it is a different sport but for the lack of a better example, There are certain table tennis players that re-glue their rubber sheets ($10 X2 sides sometimes more) every time they come to the table and play just to get the maximum spin and action on their shots.

I think we have found common grounds and will build on this.

Now we have the issue of NG in mains or crosses and which setups are better more economical etc...

I see what you are saying. I completely understand your point. I have never played an 18g, so of course I would have to rely on your assessments and they sound logical to me. So now I nderstand what you were getting at, I guess the discussion should have been more about 18g gut rather than just good/quality gut. So I understand what you mean. Is there any 18g gut you would recommend and what are the benefits (at least in your experience).

Yea, I have a small issue myself that gets in the way of equipment. I have the ability to feel the slightest difference is weght and SW. I got a supposed matched set of racquets recently and I knew they were not weighted properly. One was off by 5 grams. Most people would not even notice, but my ridiculous sense of weight and balance hurts me especially with today QC issues. I never, ever had these issues in the 80's and 90's. I never even knew these problems existed until I began to player the newer, modern racquets.

 

[Azzurri]

All your points are well taken and are correct on 99% of your points. I am subtracting one %1 not because of you, the argument does not take into consideration people who play with very very thin strings which are in the minority. Especially people who can tell/feel the difference in gauge. Now for your main question and your main issue. Most of you play 16g and 17g. I wish I did and I envy you. If I did I would be in your camp and will be disagreeing with some nob like myself. These strings last a longer time and when you pay $25-$35 for NG you would expect it to last longer and play consistently well and yes you are correct these NG are better. But when it comes to the very thin 18g, longevity durability does not matter. We string and restring so often, a fresh setup is better more often. They are thin and they are going to break anyway. I am talking a 1/2 dozen hours of play here. Just to give you an idea and I know it is a different sport but for the lack of a better example, There are certain table tennis players that re-glue their rubber sheets ($10 X2 sides sometimes more) every time they come to the table and play just to get the maximum feel, spin and action on their shots.

I think we have found common grounds and will build on this.

Now we have the issue of NG in mains or crosses and which setups are better more economical etc...

NOOOO!! Don't get me even thinking of that.

I have decided on the Gosen cross, so my only issue is to make sure I have the right nat gut for me. So BDE will be the next gut and maybe Pacific or Tonic...not sure.

 

[Azzurri]

correct, they don't mean much to the everyday player.

They are controlled tests where a string is stretched for a certain period in time and whacked a certain amounts of time with an object, I think hammer or a steel ball.

Ha! Really?! I did not even know that. Its just that whatever #'s they come up with really had no effect on me. I think lost of people will be able to have a feel for a string and know if they like it, while some have little to no feel and play whatever is cheap.

So the strings are rated as if the same (one type) player is using them?

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Is there any 18g gut you would recommend and what are the benefits (at least in your experience).

pacific prime 18g softest most comfortable(impossible to find) followed by Bow 18g very crisp( went up in price), Klip 18g legend (though not really a true 18g) is most logical and economical and yes it is most durable for obvious reasons. Depending how you look at it is nice in the right frame.

Yea, I have a small issue myself that gets in the way of equipment. I have the ability to feel the slightest difference is weght and SW. I got a supposed matched set of racquets recently and I knew they were not weighted properly. One was off by 5 grams. Most people would not even notice, but my ridiculous sense of weight and balance hurts me especially with today QC issues. I never, ever had these issues in the 80's and 90's. I never even knew these problems existed until I began to player the newer, modern racquets.

strung or unstrung frames? were they strung exactly the same? I mean exactly!!!! the same tension on the same stringing machine by the same person, etc...... if they were different string type and gauge then it is obvious who the culprit is?

I am glade you raised this issue, I was going to add it but since you mentioned it here goes. For the most part and in general thinner strings weigh less, obviously. So 18g's are going to weigh less and depending how you string them compared to other thicker stringers and what type of string, it will affect weight and SW drastically (to me and I think to you as well) we are talking in upwards of 7 to 10 grams ( upwards of 5 points SW) spread throughout the hoop, so you see whether you like more HL or more HH, there is an another advantage to 18g depending how you look at it if you like a more HL frames

NOOOO!! Don't get me even thinking of that.

I have decided on the Gosen cross, so my only issue is to make sure I have the right nat gut for me. So BDE will be the next gut and maybe Pacific or Tonic...not sure.

all those are fine, I would go BDE 17g for mains with Gosen 17g, heck now I need to try that in my Prestige Pro before I give up on it, see what you are doing creating more work for me.

We shall leave this for next time. There is no correct answer, they are all different and serve different purposes and everyone of them is unique in their own ways. But if you ever want to try a setup that will peel the yellow fuzz of the ball especially in a dense MP/mid Try ashaway Kevlar 18g mains at low tension with a thin 18g cross like gosen 18g or even nrg18g at a high tension. Plus it is the most durable 18g setup of all 18g setups that I have tried, maybe even more durable than full 17g setups

 

[Lambsscroll]

I think what Valjean and I are saying is that there is a wide range of natural gut. From under $8 per pack to $35+. The question should be more precise. I beg you. Some say it is the NG that we usually talk about. Please forgive me and I am sorry, I do not know what that means. I have been here for more than 7 years and since then we were talking about all kinds of NG since 1999, we can not cherry pick and compare only the best price/performance ratio category, even though we like to. The generalization shifts and continues to the NG's offered by TW, and when we raise TItan which is offered by TW, the comparison shifts again. Valjean raise the issue of amour pro which is $32 and out of place. I know many would buy VS and pacific prime for a few buck more, who wouldn't?

I raised the issue of gauge. To me and maybe only to me? it is all about consistency of gauge. And I am sorry to say the least that with the "cheaper" under $25 NG you get what you pay for. Not only are they inconsistent in gauge they snap more often than not, they snap prematurely and sometimes by themselves while in your car. In my 18g world and IMO there is no better playing string than NRG18g at the price of $10 ( if it were over $20 then maybe no) sure there is legend 18g but it cost $15 more and does not play like a true 18g ( I prefer string twice with fresh NRG18g for the price of one Legend 18g that went dead quick, again that is just me) then there is Bow 18g which at one point was $20, only $10 more was OK, but did not last as long as NRG18g and was not as soft, BOW 18g is a very crisp and very powerful NG, tension maintenance is not an issue since these 18g do not last long anyway and I restring them very often so you can see why price is also a factor. BOW 18g is $30. I do not play 17g even for more durability even if you give them to me free. That is just me. I am sorry.

Sure there are some premium Multis that are better than some NG but then there is an equilibrium and then sometimes certain NG beats Premium Multis (sure Pacific prime 18g with Tyrex coating is light years better than any 18g Premium Multi known to man) but reality hits that not only it is $35, I will take out a second mortgage on the house I do not care if it were readily and easily available. It is not and it is impossible to find. I called pacific they do not want to talk to me maybe if I were Sampras they will, who plays with a special 1.20mm VS that is only available to him from Babolat. 1.20mm in an open PS 85 is like 1.15mm in a dense MP like the PT630.

There has been tests done BY USRSA about tension loss/stiffness and believe me the gap is closing between the premium Multis and these so called premium NG.

I am not disagreeing with anyone nor singling anyone nor baiting anyone, you all have good and valid reason and I respect that. If you want to tear my post apart and claim I am wrong please email me. I will be glade to debate with you on this issue. These are my experiences ONLY.

Thank you

wow! Here is the original question. "what strings play closest to gut form everyone's experiences" Are you saying 18g plays closest to gut?

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

wow! Here is the original question. "what strings play closest to gut form everyone's experiences" Are you saying 18g plays closest to gut?

Everyone?!?!?!

This question is broad, seriously. Which is the best hamburger or which is the best pizza in everyones experience

There is less than a hand full of premium Multis that hmmm somewhat play close to N gut( the $25 and above) I would say Kgut and supernatural pro stock to name a few or even Biphase, But as many here are saying they prefer the "natural" stuff better, holds tension better etc.... I tend to agree with them in general terms but if you want to get to specifics like in my case which is unique and in the minority just reread my post again, it is self explanatory, I think

Oh!!!!! I just remembered, laserfibre Rep had an unusual and unique supernatural pro stock 1.20mm that came out differently ( thinner) from the factory. He could not package them and sell them because they were too thin. He contacted me and I took them off of him. They were nice and held tension pretty well. They were crisp and very close to BOW 18g. Can we get them again?I do not think so. They were supposedly the closest to NG without killing the COW. Some liked LF XRC phenom which was softer, I did not care for it, TW once had them in 18g but they broke prematurely while stringing, so they dropped the line.

 

[Azzurri]

pacific prime 18g softest most comfortable(impossible to find) followed by Bow 18g very crisp( went up in price), Klip 18g legend (though not really a true 18g) is most logical and economical and yes it is most durable for obvious reasons. Depending how you look at it is nice in the right frame.

strung or unstrung frames? were they strung exactly the same? I mean exactly!!!! the same tension on the same stringing machine by the same person, etc...... if they were different string type and gauge then it is obvious who the culprit is?

I am glade you raised this issue, I was going to add it but since you mentioned it here goes. For the most part and in general thinner strings weigh less, obviously. So 18g's are going to weigh less and depending how you string them compared to other thicker stringers and what type of string, it will affect weight and SW drastically (to me and I think to you as well) we are talking in upwards of 7 to 10 grams ( upwards of 5 points SW) spread throughout the hoop, so you see whether you like more HL or more HH, there is an another advantage to 18g depending how you look at it if you like a more HL frames


all those are fine, I would go BDE 17g for mains with Gosen 17g, heck now I need to try that in my Prestige Pro before I give up on it, see what you are doing creating more work for me.

We shall leave this for next time. There is no correct answer, they are all different and serve different purposes and everyone of them is unique in their own ways. But if you ever want to try a setup that will peel the yellow fuzz of the ball especially in a dense MP/mid Try ashaway Kevlar 18g mains at low tension with a thin 18g cross like gosen 18g or even nrg18g at a high tension. Plus it is the most durable 18g setup of all 18g setups that I have tried, maybe even more durable than full 17g setups

A PP in 18g...hmm. Interesting.

I could feel the weight in oth strung and unstrung. In that case, they were strung with the exact same string.

Wow...never aware how the 18g could affect the balance. I would not mind going a little more even balance with my Asian K90.

I think the BDE is my next string, but not sure what would be next. I want to order 3 sets (for the free shipping) and try one at a time, so will know within a week.

I know Drakulie uses the Ashaway Kevlar. But know very little. Is it a stiff string? Poly like?

 

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Wow...never aware how the 18g could affect the balance. I would not mind going a little more even balance with my Asian K90.

I think the BDE is my next string, but not sure what would be next. I want to order 3 sets (for the free shipping) and try one at a time, so will know within a week.

I know Drakulie uses the Ashaway Kevlar. But know very little. Is it a stiff string? Poly like?

18g could affect the balance NOBADMOJO even said so and always spoke about the difference in SW spread across the whole string bed , he can feel it when going from a 17g Multi or a 17g Poly to NG 17g

I think BDE 1.22mm should be your next string.

Ashaway Kevlar if strung properly it not stiff, especially if strung proportionally at low tension ie 45lbs mains , when strung with a soft cross it is much softer than the softest POLY IMO

 

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Kirschbaum Touch Multi - crisp, powerful and comfortable. Closest string to gut I have ever used and I'm still using it.

 

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18g could affect the balance NOBADMOJO even said so and always spoke about the difference in SW spread across the whole string bed , he can feel it when going from a 17g Multi or a 17g Poly to NG 17g

I think BDE 1.22mm should be your next string.

Ashaway Kevlar if strung properly it not stiff, especially if strung proportionally at low tension ie 45lbs mains , when strung with a soft cross it is much softer than the softest POLY IMO

That is what I was looking at...thanks.

Not sure yet about Kevlar. I have had TE (slight case) for over a year now, not because of tennis, but lifting weights. I was out of tennis for 4 months or so and began lifting. Weeks before I started playing again I felt pain and it has gotten better, but its not gone yet.