Djokovic is the only player in the Open Era with 80+% of wins on all surfaces

[Lew II]

If we consider hard and carpet as the same surface (UTS calls them ''firm surfaces'') to have the same number of surfaces in all eras, Djokovic is the only player in the OE with over 80% of wins on all surfaces:

Djokovic 3 (firm, clay, grass)
Borg 2 (clay, grass), Connors 2 (firm, grass), Federer 2 (firm, grass), Laver 2 (firm, grass), Lendl 2 (firm, clay), McEnroe 2 (firm, grass)
Becker 1 (grass), Metreveli 1 (grass), Murray 1 (grass), Nadal 1 (clay), Sampras 1 (grass)

 

[CYGS]

Djokovic GOAT

 

[Sunny014]

Homogenous Surfaces for Djokovic ~ Irrelevant Statistics !!!

 

[Lew II]

If we consider hard and carpet as the same surface (UTS calls them ''firm surfaces'') to have the same number of surfaces in all eras, Djokovic is the only player in the OE with over 80% of wins on all surfaces:

Djokovic 3 (firm, clay, grass)
Borg 2 (clay, grass), Connors 2 (firm, grass), Federer 2 (firm, grass), Laver 2 (firm, grass), Lendl 2 (firm, clay), McEnroe 2 (firm, grass)
Becker 1 (grass), Metreveli 1 (grass), Murray 1 (grass), Nadal 1 (clay), Sampras 1 (grass)

4 of the 7 most versatile players were born from 1952 to 1960, far from the so called homogenization of surfaces. That shows that homogenization of surfaces is not the reason versatile players exist.

 

[Lew II]

Homogenous Surfaces for Djokovic ~ Irrelevant Statistics !!!

Federer and Nadal played on the same surfaces as Djokovic.

And Borg, Connors, Mac, Lendl played on ''polarized surfaces'' yet are some of the most versatile ever...

 

[Checkmate]

I wish he had the company of Serena there.

 

[Sunny014]

HC and Carpets cannot be clubbed.

Carpets were lightning fast and different from HCs, Mcenroe, Lendl and Sampras are the monsters on that surface.

 

[abmk]

If we consider hard and carpet as the same surface (UTS calls them ''firm surfaces'') to have the same number of surfaces in all eras, Djokovic is the only player in the OE with over 80% of wins on all surfaces:

Djokovic 3 (firm, clay, grass)
Borg 2 (clay, grass), Connors 2 (firm, grass), Federer 2 (firm, grass), Laver 2 (firm, grass), Lendl 2 (firm, clay), McEnroe 2 (firm, grass)
Becker 1 (grass), Metreveli 1 (grass), Murray 1 (grass), Nadal 1 (clay), Sampras 1 (grass)

Djokovic won 26/30 matches on clay in 19/20 exploiting hyper-inflated weak era.
is barely above 80 on clay. will go down to below 80 this year or next

 

[abmk]

Federer and Nadal played on the same surfaces as Djokovic.

And Borg, Connors, Mac, Lendl played on ''polarized surfaces'' yet are some of the most versatile ever...

Actually fed's prime was 2003 YEC to AO 2010
Djoko's from 2011-mid16 with 08 a primeish year.

Not the same

 

[abmk]

4 of the 7 most versatile players were born from 1952 to 1960, far from the so called homogenization of surfaces. That shows that homogenization of surfaces is not the reason versatile players exist.

90s/Sampras time was the period of most variety. Else would've had 80% on HC.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

Bull is all about clay as expected.

 

[Lew II]

Actually fed's prime was 2003 YEC to AO 2010
Djoko's from 2011-mid16 with 08 a primeish year.

Not the same

Djokovic-Federer is the rivalry with the most matches at Grand Slams in the Open Era (17). They belong to the same era.

 

[MichaelNadal]

 

[abmk]

Djokovic-Federer is the rivalry with the most matches at Grand Slams in the Open Era. They belong to the same era.

What I said stands:

Actually fed's prime was 2003 YEC to AO 2010
Djoko's from 2011-mid16 with 08 a primeish year.


again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed.
Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12.

 

[Lew II]

What I said stands:

Actually fed's prime was 2003 YEC to AO 2010
Djoko's from 2011-mid16 with 08 a primeish year.


again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed.
Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12.

Slams Federer either won the title or lost in finals/semis to Djokovic or Nadal:

until 2007 --> 15
since 2008 --> 26

I know in your fantasy world Federer's career ended in 2007. But it didn't, at all.

 

[abmk]

Slams Federer either won the title or lost in finals/semis to Djokovic or Nadal:

until 2007 --> 15
since 2008 --> 26

I know in your fantasy world Federer's career ended in 2007. But it didn't, at all.

Frirstly I mentioned AO 2010 as end of Fed's prime, not 2007 end.

Secondly, I said this:

a) "again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed. (which refers to matches from 2011 onwards)." So its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007.

b) "Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12. " so again, its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007

But keep going. If someone hired you to do PR for Djokovic, the only reason could be your utter shamelessness in persisting with Djoko propaganda after getting owned like a bazillion times.

thirdly, You are going to win more in your prime years than non-prime years (well unless you get ultra lucky like Djokovic to win more in mid-2018 to current than in 2012-2014). Prime years for Djoko had more homogenization than prime years for Fed.

finally, remember Luckovic.

 

[daphne]

Djokovic won 26/30 matches on clay in 19/20 exploiting hyper-inflated weak era.
is barely above 80 on clay. will go down to below 80 this year or next

lol

 

[abmk]

lol

 

[daphne]

lol

 

[abmk]

lol

Add these

All courtesy Nadal

 

[daphne]

Frirstly I mentioned AO 2010 as end of Fed's prime, not 2007 end.

Secondly, I said this:

a) "again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed. (which refers to matches from 2011 onwards)." So its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007.

b) "Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12. " so again, its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007

But keep going. If someone hired you to do PR for Djokovic, the only reason could be your utter shamelessness in persisting with Djoko propaganda after getting owned like a bazillion times.

thirdly, You are going to win more in your prime years than non-prime years (well unless you get ultra lucky like Djokovic to win more in mid-2018 to current than in 2012-2014). Prime years for Djoko had more homogenization than prime years for Fed.

finally, remember Luckovic.

Such a stupid post. Delete post. Ban the member for single digit IQ.

 

[Born_to_slice]

HC and Carpets cannot be clubbed.

Carpets were lightning fast and different from HCs, Mcenroe, Lendl and Sampras are the monsters on that surface.

This is not lightning fast. Medium/medium fast at best. Actually, Shanghai has been faster as HC on numerous occasions.

 

[abmk]

Such a stupid post. Delete post. Ban the member for single digit IQ.

Djoko fanboy/fangirl clueless about tennis before Djoko doesn't have a single argument and is frustrated. What's new?

 

[daphne]

Djoko fanboy/fangirl clueless about tennis before Djoko doesn't have a single argument and is frustrated. What's new?

lol

 

[abmk]

lol

Hence proving my point.

 

[daphne]

Hence proving my point.

 

[abmk]

you ->

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djoko fanboy/fangirl clueless about tennis before Djoko doesn't have a single argument and is frustrated. What's new?

lol

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Frirstly I mentioned AO 2010 as end of Fed's prime, not 2007 end.

Secondly, I said this:

a) "again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed. (which refers to matches from 2011 onwards)." So its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007.

b) "Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12. " so again, its obvious I don't think Federer's career didn't end in 2007

But keep going. If someone hired you to do PR for Djokovic, the only reason could be your utter shamelessness in persisting with Djoko propaganda after getting owned like a bazillion times.

thirdly, You are going to win more in your prime years than non-prime years (well unless you get ultra lucky like Djokovic to win more in mid-2018 to current than in 2012-2014). Prime years for Djoko had more homogenization than prime years for Fed.

finally, remember Luckovic.

You're not better than him, you're a propagandist yourself. "Luckovic" lol, how is Djokovic "lucky" ?

 

[abmk]

You're not better than him, you're a propagandist yourself. "Luckovic" lol, how is Djokovic "lucky" ?

I use Luckovic only to show a mirror to Djoko trolls like Lew.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

I use Luckovic only to show a mirror to Djoko trolls like Lew.

But how is this thread especially is trollish ? Is the original statement of the OP a lie ? Why can't you praise Djokovic for an achievement ? Why do you need to compare it with Federer systematically ?

 

[lucky13]

Homogenous Surfaces for Djokovic ~ Irrelevant Statistics !!!

yes, and that's exactly why rafa has 13 RG but only one AO and 2 wimbl while fed has 1 RG, 8 Wimbls and 6 AO and nole has 1 RG but 9 AO and 5 wimbl.

those 3 play in the same era but rafa has about 92% on clay, but only 78% on hard and grass. fed has about 87% on grass but only 76% on clay.

 

[lucky13]

HC:
1 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 84.44%
2 SUI SUI Roger Federer 83.26%
10 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 77.96%

grass:
1 SUI SUI Roger Federer 87.38%
4 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 84.07%
17 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 78.02%

clay:
1 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 91.75%
4 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 80.14%
14 SUI SUI Roger Federer 76.11%

nole is top4 in W% in the OE on all 3 surfaces!

 

[abmk]

But how is this thread especially is trollish ? Is the original statement of the OP a lie ? Why can't you praise Djokovic for an achievement ? Why do you need to compare it with Federer systematically ?

No, the thread isn't trollish. Nor is the statement a lie.

Just that Djoko's 80+% on clay is (most likely) temporary.

He brought in Fed-Djoko h2h at slams when I told him that their prime periods did not overlap much. That's when I used Luckovic, not before.

 

[Sport]

Congratulations to Novak fans for this impressive achievement. Great versatility displayed here by the Serbian legend.

 

[Turning Pro]

Yet still dosen't have at least 2 slams on each surface? Rofl.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Yet still dosen't have at least 2 slams on each surface? Rofl.

King of Clay is just too gewd

 

[Nole_King]

What I said stands:

Actually fed's prime was 2003 YEC to AO 2010
Djoko's from 2011-mid16 with 08 a primeish year.


again, just Luckovic with far more matches with situation in his favour compared to Fed.
Remember, peak Djokovic a point from being down 2-3 in slams vs past his prime Fed in 11/12.

Man .. that is a little overboard. Just past prime Federer (even if we do consider he was past it) is no mug. It is evident from the fact how Novak had that incredible run against Nadal.

In my mind 2011 Novak is altogether a beast of a different kind. Probably Federer of 05-06 is close but simply the fact that Novak put to sword Fedal, 2011 Nole was to me more superhuman

 

[Nole_King]

I use Luckovic only to show a mirror to Djoko trolls like Lew.

No .. you are throwing the statement on a public forum for everyone to read. It is not a one to one conversation that you are having

 

[CYGS]

Congratulations to Novak fans for this impressive achievement. Great versatility displayed here by the Serbian legend.

Greatest domination on one surface: Nadal
Greatest balance/distribution of dominance across surfaces: Djokovic

2 GOATs

 

[NAS]

This type of stats are nothing , if I was Djokovic I will love to have 2nd RG over 80percent stats.
I mean look at Sampras, he has 7 slam on HC without having 80 percent

 

[abmk]

Man .. that is a little overboard. Just past prime Federer (even if we do consider he was past it) is no mug. It is evident from the fact how Novak had that incredible run against Nadal.

In my mind 2011 Novak is altogether a beast of a different kind. Probably Federer of 05-06 is close but simply the fact that Novak put to sword Fedal, 2011 Nole was to me more superhuman

No .. you are throwing the statement on a public forum for everyone to read. It is not a one to one conversation that you are having

Djoko in 11 was phenomenal, but I'd rate peak Fed higher.

Luckovic is only directed in response against Lew, even more so when he brings in their h2h with no context or puts down Fed's competition with BS propaganda. Never said past his prime fed was a mug. But it obviously helps Djoko in their h2h when far more number of matches are played with circumstances in djoko's favour.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I'm not sure what this stat "means", but it is impressive. (seriously). Of course, these numbers are not final.

Questions: If we set the bar at 78%, does anyone else join Novak and Rafa?

If we set the bar at 76%, does anyone else join The Big 3?

80% is the rounder number, but just curious.

 

[Nole_King]

Djoko in 11 was phenomenal, but I'd rate peak Fed higher.

Luckovic is only directed in response against Lew, even more so when he brings in their h2h with no context or puts down Fed's competition with BS propaganda. Never said past his prime fed was a mug. But it obviously helps Djoko in their h2h when far more number of matches are played with circumstances in djoko's favour.

Ofcourse Federer playing longer has helped the H2H for Djokovic. But that playing longer has also helped Federer win 3 more slams. There's enough for everyone to feel happy; why so much mud slinging I fail to understand.

 

[Nadal_Django]

If we consider hard and carpet as the same surface (UTS calls them ''firm surfaces'') to have the same number of surfaces in all eras, Djokovic is the only player in the OE with over 80% of wins on all surfaces:

Djokovic 3 (firm, clay, grass)
Borg 2 (clay, grass), Connors 2 (firm, grass), Federer 2 (firm, grass), Laver 2 (firm, grass), Lendl 2 (firm, clay), McEnroe 2 (firm, grass)
Becker 1 (grass), Metreveli 1 (grass), Murray 1 (grass), Nadal 1 (clay), Sampras 1 (grass)

That's massive.

 

[abmk]

Ofcourse Federer playing longer has helped the H2H for Djokovic. But that playing longer has also helped Federer win 3 more slams. There's enough for everyone to feel happy; why so much mud slinging I fail to understand.

Because many djoko fans/nadal fans/fed haters have been relentless with calling all of 04-07 weak era or joke era (only 06 was weak among those) for such a long time. Quite a few among those still do so.
Lew adds to the cherry on top by trying to do whatever he can to show 15-16 were strong years, 15 even more so.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

HC:
1 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 84.44%
2 SUI SUI Roger Federer 83.26%
10 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 77.96%

grass:
1 SUI SUI Roger Federer 87.38%
4 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 84.07%
17 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 78.02%

clay:
1 ESP ESP Rafael Nadal 91.75%
4 SRB SRB Novak Djokovic 80.14%
14 SUI SUI Roger Federer 76.11%

nole is top4 in W% in the OE on all 3 surfaces!

Wow

There’s your GOAT!

Fed comes close but has huge gaps on clay in his career and an embarrassing slam h2h vs his main rivals.

Nadal isn’t in the running for me. Overall GOAT can’t have so many holes on hard courts and be specialised on clay.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Yet still dosen't have at least 2 slams on each surface? Rofl.

Oh well I guess Nadal doesn’t have a 2-1 slam h2h at USO. He’s 3-2 down at HC slams.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Greatest domination on one surface: Nadal
Greatest balance/distribution of dominance across surfaces: Djokovic

2 GOATs

This is fair imo.

Overall GOAT - Djokovic
Clay GOAT - Nadal
Fast surfaces GOAT - PETE

 

[Beckerserve]

Is that Club 18?