Federer's cakewalk Wimbledon 2019 draw

[Breakpointerer]

Most Moral Grand Slams

Nadal - 70
Fed - 0
Djokovic- 0

It's much more than 70 lol

 

[uscwang]

At least Sugita and Kyrgios' draws are tougher.

 

[Sentinel]

How about posting nole's draw???

 

[icedevil0289]

its a nice try, no point in trying to deny that for sure.

 

[icedevil0289]

But Fred is the moral winner of RG this year, no?
Would’ve trash Nadal in 3 if not the wind, no?

who actually said that? most people didnt think fed had a chance. i think at most teh said conditions made it worse and maybe he could have grabbed a set, but that is about it.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

I mean, it is a statistical measure, it is objective, and it exists. You need to have a healthier approach to life, facts do not care about your feelings.

But any verified statistical measurement is objective and exists. That's basically a tautology. That inherent property doesn't matter much per se when it comes to explanatory power; the fact that Tim Henman reached the SFs of Wimbledon 4 times is objective and exists. Is it therefore relevant? Probably not. So what does make it relevant? What property of the stats actually means anything and indicates or validates a position? Therein lies the problem that the stats need context to achieve anything and reiterating ad nauseum that they are 'cold', 'hard' and 'objective' expands on their explanatory power not one iota.

 

[icedevil0289]

Nadal should just cancel Wimbledon and marry his long-suffering wench.

uhhhh.....i mean i dont like nadal either but why insult xisca like that with very coded language as well?

 

[Benjamin Rio]

I seem to remember all the Federer fans targeting Nadal for his FO 2019 draw, time to bring some balance to this forum because it's hilarious there's no threads made about Federer's draw. But it's okay, I'll be that guy to bring the balance.

Let's look at the comparison between Nadal's and Federer's draws. Bolded players are stronger players per round.

Nadal:

1R . Sugita
2R. Kyrgios
3R. Tsonga
4R. Cilic / Shapovalov
QF. Thiem
SF. Federer
F. Djokovic

Federer:

1R. Harris
2R. Clarke
3R. Bublik
4R. Coric
QF. Isner / Nishikori
SF. Nadal
F. Djokovic

Up until the SF and that's even if Nadal gets through his draw, absolute walk in the park.

I can't wait to hear how Clarke, Bublik, Coric, Isner are stronger than Kyrgios, Tsonga, Cilic, Thiem. And yes, Cilic as a 4th opponent is much tougher than as a finalist before you guys use the Wimbledon 2017 card.

Go and check out Nadal's draw at this year FO Us open 2010 2013 2017. But we all know that a fit Nadal is incincible.

KYrgios is playi,g terrible this year. Without his Acapulco title he would be 152 in the race to london...
Tsonga It's been years since he's been a threat. Has been
Cilic If he plays well can beat Nadal. But will he? His year so far is ....
Thiem don't think he will make it that far....What has he achieved at Wimbledon?

 

[Lleytonstation]

Got to protect the overrated Swissy's Slam record don't we W organizers? How much money does Fed pay these clowns under the table every year to rig it for him is what I would like to do. He gets a cakewalk most years

I WOULD boycott this event if I was Nadal. The blatant favoritism and backwards seeding it obvious to anyone that sees it. The organizers are bribed

If this were true, Rafa would be in djokers draw.

 

[icedevil0289]

also i mean i joke and moan cuz im bitter but no matter what all of rafa's wins are legitimate because of who he beat, same goes for anyone who gets to the final regardless of opponent.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I seem to remember all the Federer fans targeting Nadal for his FO 2019 draw, time to bring some balance to this forum because it's hilarious there's no threads made about Federer's draw. But it's okay, I'll be that guy to bring the balance.

Let's look at the comparison between Nadal's and Federer's draws. Bolded players are stronger players per round.

Nadal:

1R . Sugita
2R. Kyrgios
3R. Tsonga
4R. Cilic / Shapovalov
QF. Thiem
SF. Federer
F. Djokovic

Federer:

1R. Harris
2R. Clarke
3R. Bublik
4R. Coric
QF. Isner / Nishikori
SF. Nadal
F. Djokovic

Up until the SF and that's even if Nadal gets through his draw, absolute walk in the park.

I can't wait to hear how Clarke, Bublik, Coric, Isner are stronger than Kyrgios, Tsonga, Cilic, Thiem. And yes, Cilic as a 4th opponent is much tougher than as a finalist before you guys use the Wimbledon 2017 card.

Do you really think Thiem is tougher than Isner? On grass?

 

[augustobt]

Wasn’t this the idiot who claimed Nadal was already rigged to face Djokovic in the semis?

 

[Shaolin]

I seem to remember all the Federer fans targeting Nadal for his FO 2019 draw, time to bring some balance to this forum because it's hilarious there's no threads made about Federer's draw. But it's okay, I'll be that guy to bring the balance.

Let's look at the comparison between Nadal's and Federer's draws. Bolded players are stronger players per round.

Nadal:

1R . Sugita
2R. Kyrgios
3R. Tsonga
4R. Cilic / Shapovalov
QF. Thiem
SF. Federer
F. Djokovic

Federer:

1R. Harris
2R. Clarke
3R. Bublik
4R. Coric
QF. Isner / Nishikori
SF. Nadal
F. Djokovic

Up until the SF and that's even if Nadal gets through his draw, absolute walk in the park.

I can't wait to hear how Clarke, Bublik, Coric, Isner are stronger than Kyrgios, Tsonga, Cilic, Thiem. And yes, Cilic as a 4th opponent is much tougher than as a finalist before you guys use the Wimbledon 2017 card.

You did a lot of work for nothing. Any draw is difficult for Nadal on grass. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to Sugita first round.

 

[Dekalog12]

Firstly, the potential path given for both players have mistakes

Nadal:
1R . Sugita
2R. Kyrgios
3R. Tsonga Tsonga/ Shapovalov
4R. Cilic / Shapovalov Cilic
QF. Thiem
SF. Federer
F. Djokovic

Federer:
1R. Harris
2R. Clarke
3R. Bublik Pouille
4R. Coric
QF. Isner / Nishikori
SF. Nadal
F. Djokovic[/QUOTE]

Secondly. Only Kyrgios in the 2nd round is the real big difference. It wouldn't surprise me if Pouille, Coric, Nishikori/Isner put in better performances than say Shapo, Cilic (53rd in the live race, lost comfortably to Schwartzman at Queens and has a potential banana skin 1st round match vs Mannarino), Thiem (Not a fast-court player, faces Querrey in the first round). As a Federer fan I would definitely take his draw over Rafa's, but there are a lot of unknowns like Tsonga/Cilic's level or Coric's recovery from injury

 

[augustobt]

Cilic literally just lost to Schwartzman on queens that’s generally faster than Wimbledon. Thiem on Grass is laughable.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

You did a lot of work for nothing. Any draw is difficult for Nadal on grass. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to Sugita first round.

Welcome to SWsalt19

 

[Tennis_Hands]

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[Russeljones]

On the scale of 2017 USO and difficult, this is impossible.

 

[Terenigma]

In what alternate world is Thiem tougher than Isner/Nishikori on grass? Nadal's draw is tough with Kyrgios/Tsonga/Cilic tho for sure.

 

[fundrazer]

Why does an objective statistical measure upset you so?

You should be able to question "statistics" or "models" like the link you posted instead of just pretending it's factual. It's one person's "opinion" of what a difficult draw is, but people like myself have thoughts and questions about how the "difficulty" is measured. If it purely considers average ELO over a career than it's not really an accurate representation of how difficult an opponent is at a particular point in their career.

Basically, you can't treat stuff like that as gospel. Somebody could easily come up with an alternative interpretation and present data in a way that would make alternative hypothesis/opinions seem correct. Lew does this all the time, and he's definitely not a data scientist or anything. Far from it I'd say...

 

[Bukmeikara]

Cilic literally just lost to Schwartzman on queens that’s generally faster than Wimbledon. Thiem on Grass is laughable.

Thiem on hard was "laughable" and almost beated Nadal at Us Open and then won Indian Wells. Thiem at some point would reach SF+ on grass, he was one set away in 2017 ...

 

[mike danny]

I mean, it is a statistical measure, it is objective, and it exists. You need to have a healthier approach to life, facts do not care about your feelings.

There is literally no objective way to assess the difficulty of an opponent.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Since when has NK been the gold standard for having a tough draw? Because that is what we are saying when we say his draw is harder than Fed's.

 

[weakera]

There is literally no objective way to assess the difficulty of an opponent.

Have you heard of the ATP rankings, kiddo?

 

[Nole_King]

Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty

1 ESP Rafael Nadal 19.78
2 SUI Roger Federer 19.43
3 SRB Novak Djokovic 17.08

https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=GrandSlamTitlesDifficultyAdjusted

Ouchie

So this rating is telling that quality of Novak's GS win (15 becomes 17.08) is better than Nadal's (18 becomes 19.78)?

Ouchie Ouchie Ouchie

 

[Jaitock1991]

Yessssss

For once Fed gets the gift and Nadal gets the tough one. Just once. It's all I wanted

Careful not to jinx it though

 

[TheIntrovert]

Did you read the op, kiddo?

Please don’t try and patronise me

 

[Jaitock1991]

90s Clay is that you

Only thing missing is a couple of "ROFLMAO"s, but other than that I agree. The legend could be back!

 

[Azure]

My cat just bit me I think he’s mad about Feds easy draw

I want pictures (of the cat I mean. One picture won't do).

 

[Lleytonstation]

Have you heard of the ATP rankings, kiddo?

Is that where Zverev is ranked 5 and Anderson is ranked 8 despite playing like crap all year?

 

[Lleytonstation]

I want pictures (of the cat I mean. One picture won't do).

No, I only approve of cat gifs. Pictures don't do cats justice.

 

[weakera]

Please don’t try and patronise me

So that's a no, little guy?

 

[Azure]

No, I only approve of cat gifs. Pictures don't do cats justice.

I agree (besides it's a nice way to derail all goat, draw, Kyrgios threads).

 

[TheIntrovert]

So that's a no, little guy?

Well I did and thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt but seems like you want to act like a teen

 

[Jonas78]

Nice draw for Fred. Even good chance for Rafa to lose before SF which will make the draw even easier.

Easiest path to QF must be Thiem.
.

 

[weakera]

Well I did and thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt but seems like you want to act like a teen

Settle down there, son.

 

[Nole_King]

Most Grand Slam Titles Adjusted by Difficulty

1 ESP Rafael Nadal 19.78
2 SUI Roger Federer 19.43
3 SRB Novak Djokovic 17.08

https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=GrandSlamTitlesDifficultyAdjusted

Ouchie

Another stat from your beloved site. The GOAT list:

Open Era GOAT List

https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/goatList

1.Roger Federer 920
2. Novak Djokovic 781
3. Rafael Nadal 764

Ouchie x 100

 

[chjtennis]

About time Federer gets an easy one.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I agree (besides it's a nice way to derail all goat, draw, Kyrgios threads).

Let's see if it works.

Good job team Fed and Wimbledon.

 

[NastyWinners]

Well I did and thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt but seems like you want to act like a teen

Teen is being nice lol

 

[Azure]

Let's see if it works.

Good job team Fed and Wimbledon.

I don't mind Rafa getting tough draws every year if I can get such a cute kitty

 

[mike danny]

Have you heard of the ATP rankings, kiddo?

So Nadal of Wimb 2011 final > Roddick of Wimb 2009 final?

 

[True Fanerer]

Have you heard of the ATP rankings, kiddo?

OK Lew.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

2017 Fed would have destroyed Nadal’s draw. I.e, these draws aren’t nearly as important to Fed on grass, if Fed is in form. If Fed plays at his 2017 level, these draws wouldn’t matter to him.

Kyrgios is a bad matchup for Nadal on fast surfaces. That is where Nadal got royally screwed over. Nadal gets a coin flip match in the 2nd round. Shapo and Thiem haven’t done crap at Wimbledon. I’d be far more worried playing guys like Edmund or Tsitsipas. Cilic could be dangerous. But his form has sucked lately.

I think that if Nadal gets by Kyrgios, then he will be in the semis.

No. 2 through 4 will be very tricky. He can meet tsonga as well in the 3rd round.

 

[Druss]

Lol at all the posts hyping up Thiem as a QF opponent. This is grass not clay people!

 

[augustobt]

Thiem on hard was "laughable" and almost beated Nadal at Us Open and then won Indian Wells. Thiem at some point would reach SF+ on grass, he was one set away in 2017 ...

That’s not true at all. Thiem always said during the USO that the courts played slow enough that he felt like he could play some good clay court tennis and be on the back of the baseline.

 

[True Fanerer]

Lol at all the posts hyping up Thiem as a QF opponent. This is grass not clay people!

I know.

I've been saying the same thing.

 

[StrongRule]

Lol at all the posts hyping up Thiem as a QF opponent. This is grass not clay people!

US Open is also not played on clay, yet Thiem pushed Nadal to a VERY tough match. He is tough for Nadal everywhere, and for sure he is more dangerous than Tsitsipas.

 

[Druss]

US Open is also not played on clay, yet Thiem pushed Nadal to a VERY tough match. He is tough for Nadal everywhere, and for sure he is more dangerous than Tsitsipas.

The USO has become quite slow, similar to IW, which suits Thiem. Grass is different, and you can’t be taken seriously to think Thiem is way more dangerous than Tsitsipas.

 

[StrongRule]

The USO has become quite slow, similar to IW, which suits Thiem. Grass is different, and you can’t be taken seriously to think Thiem is way more dangerous than Tsitsipas.

Nadal is not getting that far anyway, so it doesn't matter for him. But for Djokovic it would probably be tougher if he had to face Thiem. If Tsitsipas gets to him he will win 7 games or something.