I want to hit against an ATP100 for 30 mins.
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In my town there's a Future 10000 and one Open with 5000 prize. Winners are usually top 300 Atp. Many of the younger guys who play in these competitions, especially those who reach semis and finals, sooner or later crack the top 100. I bet you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and a top 100 as they can hit pretty hard and consistently so. A Future 10000 winner earns only 1000 for a week of work as the total amount includes the whole prize money and not just for the winner. Moral of the story, if you go watch a Future nearby where you live and ask a top 300 player, I bet he would be more than happy to accept your offer.
TahoeTennis
Legend
Nobody knows I'm Simona HalepThey guy who spends most of his time on this forum or gambling is a 5.0 player...
Yeah, okay you'll double bagel anyone on here for sure....
pennc94
Professional
If you can swing it, great but as others have said the interest will not be there without big bucks. You also won’t get the full experience as they wouldn’t take it out of first gear.
I hit with Bjorn Borg back in 1996 in the Bahamas. He had an arrangement with a resort to hit with guests. I was still young at the time and I gave it my best. It looked like we were playing two different sports. Amazing. After my turn was done, I went over to his side of the court to let another guest hit with him. He reaches out to shake my hand and says “Hello I’m Bjorn”.
On another occasion at Saddlebrook my pro hit with my group. You could tell he wasn’t going all out. We asked him to play for real. He did. It was unlike anything I’ve seen before. We couldn’t even touch the ball. He peaked top 400 about 8 years before this took place.
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I hit with Bjorn Borg back in 1996 in the Bahamas. He had an arrangement with a resort to hit with guests. I was still young at the time and I gave it my best. It looked like we were playing two different sports. Amazing. After my turn was done, I went over to his side of the court to let another guest hit with him. He reaches out to shake my hand and says “Hello I’m Bjorn”.
On another occasion at Saddlebrook my pro hit with my group. You could tell he wasn’t going all out. We asked him to play for real. He did. It was unlike anything I’ve seen before. We couldn’t even touch the ball. He peaked top 400 about 8 years before this took place.
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Tennis_Hands
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OP, you ask whether a top ATP 100-300 player will hit for a pay of $6000/hr?
Did I understand you correctly?
Did I understand you correctly?
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Deleted member 742196
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I don’t know. NTRP is not exactly a good measure of skill when it comes to global completion.
Basically your rating is determined by whom you compete with. The Philippines national #1 for example has been #1 for over a decade - he doesn’t even bother leaving the country anymore because it’s too much struggle.
Using the NTRP metric, because he only competes in Philippines, he would be a 5.5? 6.0? Something like that. But easily a 5.0 in Taiwan, maybe even a 4.5 in Serbia would win.
Can’t speak about national competitiveness. Some countries have a very high level of local competition, others don’t have the infrastructure for tennis.
It's really not that hard to find someone who can hit a rally ball 70 mph with 2000 rpm of spin at you. Pro ground strokes and serves are only about 20% harder than 3.5 level strokes but the main difference is consistency, accuracy and stamina. I played a 4.0 this weekend who hit a 112 mph ace down the T on me... only 3-4% slower than a Fed ace... I didn't have to pay him to do it either....
mental midget
Hall of Fame
go to a legends event, i think they have a premium package where you can tool around a bit with them for around 1-2k or so. the younger guys are certainly good enough to hold their own currently against lower tier pros.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Croatia has 4 players in the top 200, Canada has 6 so I'm just not following what you are trying to say.
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Adv. Edberg
Legend
go to a futures/challengers tourney...
ask the losing pro if they want to make $x/hr to just hit
probably will be atp300-500
go to us open qualies, do the same
probably will be atp200
go to us open quallies, to a practice court (eg. i've seen fed/goffin, nadal/cueva, etc... courside, like 5-10ft from me, and ask <insert pro player> if you can pay them $3k to hit for 30m
probably will be atp100
tell me when you go, i'll document/record
There are plenty of top 100 who play challengers so best bet would be that.
J011yroger
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I’m saying NTRP isn’t the be all and end all measure of tennis talent.
It might well be Canada has more players in the top 200 than Croatia.
I’m talking about NTRP ratings and that across the globe the same rating may not equate to the same level of talent.
It isn’t a static measure, it’s a relative one.
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
NTRP is only a US thing. Every country has its own version I guess.
It's not meant to be, it's just a bunch of categories for adult recreational tennis. 5.0 has a huge span of players from good club players to futures level players. There are 5.0s who would be lucky to win a few games off of me in singles and 5.0s who could bagel me.
UTR is attempting to do what you are talking about but it's not working well so far.
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Yep, I’ve had the same experience. Here in Croatia I’m getting creamed left, right and centre. It’s laughable.
Over at the rec level in Canada [Toronto] supposedly I’m a strong 4.5 and I can’t get anywhere here.
Today a guy made me hit 6 goddamned successive overheads. On the seventh I botched it and he had a wry smile as if to tell me to go back to my country.
Have lost 8 straight sets in Umag.
When the OP talks about hitting against pro level talent my response is go to a competitive environment to see what it’s like first.
J011yroger
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Deleted member 23235
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had another thought...If I did this, I would actually train for this session.
I would move beyond the 4.0 caliber hitting I am used to.
I would do 3 rally only sessions with @nytennisaddict 4.5,
then a 5.0, then the 5.5 ....2 weeks (mostly hit right to me)
Then I would strap a goPro on my head and crash the US Open qualies with $3k in my pocket,
and I would tell him to hit through me.
Of course, I would want to negotiate the price,
so I would have $1k in 3 different pockets.
with $3k, make a travel vac to somewhere, and pay/play the upcoming pros of a smallish country (serbia? croatia?) i bet the $ would go far..
Devilito
Hall of Fame
profession tennis is a money losing venture for anyone outside the top 100. There are plenty of players with atp rankings around 200-500 that could and have beaten top 100 players at some point. Most of these players will do anything for extra cash. Most of them already do private hits on the side for money. I would say it would be extremely easy to find someone in that range that would love to take your $200 for a 1 hour hit.
PrinceMoron
Legend
Play against a wall
They are cheap and never miss
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Yip. It’s a good suggestion.
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
I used to hit, on occasion, with a Challenger tour player. Big kid (6'5") with a massive serve (clocked just under 140 mph) and forehand.
The most troubling part was return of serve. Unreturnable. I could keep up with him in rallies, which is why his coach/dad had me hit with him, but obviously he was 100x better than I. I've also hit with a woman who was a top D1 player (Top 5) who played in a Grand Slam the year I hit with her. The depth of ball is what is shocking. Every single groundstroke back to the within a small distance from baseline. Amazing depth and control.
The most troubling part was return of serve. Unreturnable. I could keep up with him in rallies, which is why his coach/dad had me hit with him, but obviously he was 100x better than I. I've also hit with a woman who was a top D1 player (Top 5) who played in a Grand Slam the year I hit with her. The depth of ball is what is shocking. Every single groundstroke back to the within a small distance from baseline. Amazing depth and control.
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Chadillac
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$3000 will get a top 100 player easy if they are in town. We used to pay top 200 guys $150 for one hour clinics when they were at the tournament. There was also a wta challenger and the new guy was giving them $10 (they got really mad, agree'd on $50), they were like top 500.
I've played 2-3 top100 players. 2 in tournaments (prize money) and one in a money round robin (winner takes all). The money wasnt even close to $3k
"Please refrain from "You won't be able to tell the difference b/w 5.0 and ATP100"
Unless they are a big hitter you wont. But after playing a few points and see they hit every ball the same you will see it. No weakness, no fitness issues etc. Just constant pressure that will break you down in a matter of games. All of a sudden nothing works and you will feel like a 3.0
Best of luck, get in touch with one and it probably wont be hard
Adv. Edberg
Legend
Vanhalen
Professional
TTPS, yes your idea is very plausible. Outside the top 100 these guys are broke. Seriously if you asked them to hit with you for an hour for a grand they would do it all day!
But, be professional about it. Stop with the stupid silly...”I’m going to tape this, if I win a game from you I’ll show everyone.....no one wants to deal with a clown.
In September of 2004 I hit for 30 minutes with a WTA player who was rated 47 in the world. I was a strong 4.0. She was at my club waiting on her coach preparing for the Cincinnati tournament. I know her, she’s from my town. Wonderful person. We rallied for about 10 minutes and then played a match. I told her to just play me as if she was playing Serena or anyone else. In my mind I thought I could probably win a couple of games. I never won a point. I never was even close to winning a point. I never returned one serve over the net! It was either an easy ace or I would barely nick the ball and not once did I ever hit a serve back. She pretty much smacked everyone of my serves back for a winner. The pace and the placement were just so rapid. I was shocked as it doesn’t look this furious on tv.
But, be professional about it. Stop with the stupid silly...”I’m going to tape this, if I win a game from you I’ll show everyone.....no one wants to deal with a clown.
In September of 2004 I hit for 30 minutes with a WTA player who was rated 47 in the world. I was a strong 4.0. She was at my club waiting on her coach preparing for the Cincinnati tournament. I know her, she’s from my town. Wonderful person. We rallied for about 10 minutes and then played a match. I told her to just play me as if she was playing Serena or anyone else. In my mind I thought I could probably win a couple of games. I never won a point. I never was even close to winning a point. I never returned one serve over the net! It was either an easy ace or I would barely nick the ball and not once did I ever hit a serve back. She pretty much smacked everyone of my serves back for a winner. The pace and the placement were just so rapid. I was shocked as it doesn’t look this furious on tv.
PMChambers
Hall of Fame
See if your nearest futures had a ProAm. I once paid $60 for ProAm which is dinner and 30min doubles hit with someone 200 to 600. One of players got to 80s before injury. Unfortunately it was cancelled because a national coach didn't want it and replaced with a meet the players junior night where the players hit with kids and talk. I was a bit annoyed as there was a dude Delpo size and looks who hit heavy. Wanted 5mins just to see if I could adjust. I see no point hitting with these players other than for interest. Their serves are either to fast for 4.5 react to have too much kick to control or both. Same with their groundies but not as much.
From my experience TW posters signifigantly over estimate their ability especially in speed of serve and weight on groundies. Probably because TV slows everything down.
From my experience TW posters signifigantly over estimate their ability especially in speed of serve and weight on groundies. Probably because TV slows everything down.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Why ask for three zeros and then give back two?
FiReFTW
Legend
@TimeToPlaySets
There are differences in how fast or with how much spin someone hit on ATP top 100 depending on playstyle and ability etc... similar to all other levels.
But generally if you look at pure speeds of strokes and serves, once you get up to like 5.5 its not much different than what the ATP top 100 hit, a 5.5 player (specially someone known for a fast serve or fast forehand or something) has the pace and spin (obviously not the pace of an isner serve or the spin of rafa, but the average top 100 ATP player).
So if you play with a 5.5 you most likely get the same or similar spin and pace that an atp top 100 has.
Theres a huge difference however between a 5.5 and a top 100 when it comes to placement, accuracy, consistency, tactics, footwork, speed, agility etc...
There are differences in how fast or with how much spin someone hit on ATP top 100 depending on playstyle and ability etc... similar to all other levels.
But generally if you look at pure speeds of strokes and serves, once you get up to like 5.5 its not much different than what the ATP top 100 hit, a 5.5 player (specially someone known for a fast serve or fast forehand or something) has the pace and spin (obviously not the pace of an isner serve or the spin of rafa, but the average top 100 ATP player).
So if you play with a 5.5 you most likely get the same or similar spin and pace that an atp top 100 has.
Theres a huge difference however between a 5.5 and a top 100 when it comes to placement, accuracy, consistency, tactics, footwork, speed, agility etc...
2good4U
Professional
You're not a top 100 pro, or even close.
2good4U
Professional
I paid a top level woman college player $50 to hit,
and another $50, IF she could outhit me. (I'd rather
hit than play, any day)
She was a Clister's clone, hit a ton and moved like
a gazelle. Big gal too, close to 6 foot.
Being one of the best over 50 players you'll probably
ever see, I held my own, and saved $50.
I've also hit with an ex-ATP top 300 pro, a tall French
guy in his 40's, and held my own against him too.
Those at the top move and hit very well, but they are
only Gods compared to worms. (hackers)
Some of us non-pros can move and hit pretty good too.
and another $50, IF she could outhit me. (I'd rather
hit than play, any day)
She was a Clister's clone, hit a ton and moved like
a gazelle. Big gal too, close to 6 foot.
Being one of the best over 50 players you'll probably
ever see, I held my own, and saved $50.
I've also hit with an ex-ATP top 300 pro, a tall French
guy in his 40's, and held my own against him too.
Those at the top move and hit very well, but they are
only Gods compared to worms. (hackers)
Some of us non-pros can move and hit pretty good too.
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Deleted member 23235
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much easier to maintain the delusion of being a good player when you don't have to keep score.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
I agree with this.
I am sure there is a 2000 rated player who hits harder than all the top 20 (and loses matches with errors)
But, part of this is the novelty of hitting against a name.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not looking for an argument but I want to go on record saying that the lot of you who say a 5.5 hits with the same pace and spin as an 100ATP are VERY wrong.
J
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ok, presuming we can all make this happen... who would everyone pick in the atp50-100
looking at the current list, my top 5 would be:
* dolgo (wicked slice!)
* tiafoe (that fh is a monster)
* the other zverev (s&v'er)
* baghdadis (because!)
* ivo (do i need to say why)
and drink afterwards with youzhny * troiki (cuz they are nuts!)
looking at the current list, my top 5 would be:
* dolgo (wicked slice!)
* tiafoe (that fh is a monster)
* the other zverev (s&v'er)
* baghdadis (because!)
* ivo (do i need to say why)
and drink afterwards with youzhny * troiki (cuz they are nuts!)
Zeref
Professional
Ivo. Bcz I want to feel that serve ( of course if i m able to touch it with my racquet ). If by mistake I hit a good deep return..atleast I got a chance to win the point against Dr. Ivo and boast that I won a point against a top 100
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
I had the opportunity to hit with a guy ranked 100 in the world back in the late 1980’s I was a small college player at that time. What he played I was not familiar with. His warm up would kill the regular player. Have him to thank for making me work harder in school because I realized that there was no way I’d ever be able to compete at that level.
FiReFTW
Legend
Whats your proof to back up your claims?
Here is mine
My coach is a pretty high level, around 5.5
A very high level coach who is a good friend of my coach, they hit sometimes together.
This high level coach is a coach of a former top 100 pro, currently the player is not 100 anymore cuz injuries atm.
He says in terms of pace, spin etc.. theres no difference between my coach and ex top 100, and bear in mind this ex top 100 is an agressive player who likes to hit big.
However theres a huge difference when it comes to placement, consistency, ability to return tough balls in tough situations with interest and place them well, movement, reactions, tactics, ability to open the court, feel and touch etc etc etc....
Which is completely logical considering 1 person doesnt train and rarely plays matches, just mostly coaches, while the 2nd person trains for hours daily, its logical the 2nd person is much more "trained" and match "ready".
Every higher level player say 5.0+ with good fitness that goes to gym and is physically in good form and has great technique can hit as hard as many pro players, maybe not as much as the anomalies like nadal spin or roddick serve, but as fast as an average pro for sure!
But having a fast stroke is not even 20% of whats important to be better than someone (placement, accuracy, ability to hit strong on run or in tough situations and place it well...so many more things)
There are 5.0 players with 125mph+ serves, but even uf they have pace their serve is not close as good as a top 100 atp pro with similar speed.
Pace and spin is 1 important thing out of 20 important things.
But certainly not the only impirtant thing and certainly also not the MOST important thing
Pete Player
Hall of Fame
I was watching an ITF Junior ranked at the top-5. The regular ”tentative rally points” in the beginning of the match didn’t look too fast, but, when he stepped on the accelerator in the second set...
They are already some classy players with pace and spin at that level and move like the court were half the size of where we play.
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On pain meds - all contributed matter and anti-matter subject to disclaimer
They are already some classy players with pace and spin at that level and move like the court were half the size of where we play.
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On pain meds - all contributed matter and anti-matter subject to disclaimer
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Are you directing this to me?
You know I live in the US and play against all these people in leagues and open/money tournaments right?
Shouldn't you be asking me how the ratings are instead of telling me?
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FiReFTW
Legend
Huge difference between a top 100 guy and 5.0 player. it's the weight of the ball that is the biggest difference. I've never hit with someone that high up but have been on the court when they work out. the sound of the ball coming off the racquet is so different. I've hit with a top 10 D1 college player and even that was tough when he went full speed. Mishit's HURT
What do you mean? Ball has same weight, only speed can change
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
Exactly. As I stated earlier, I could hold my own with a challenger Tour player, as well as a top female. Both of them would crush me in a match( Bagels anyone?) but I could absolutely hold my own in hitting with them.
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