Pat Cash : I have heard Nadal say this numerous times. Stop complaining !

[tennisaddict]

Rafael Nadal: I've heard Nadal say this... he needs to stop complaining - Pat Cash

PAT CASH has told Rafael Nadal to stop complaining about the ATP World Tour finals not being on clay.
Rafael Nadal has never won the ATP World Tour finals
Nadal, 31, has never won the end-of-season championships, which are always played on indoor hard courts.

The Spaniard has a poor record on the surface and has put his lack of success down to the fact they are never on clay.

But legend Cash thinks he's wrong to go on about it and told the Sunday Times: "Numerous are the times I have heard Rafa complain that he isn't given a fair chance of winning the ATP Finals because they are always played on indoor hard courts.

"Well I'm afraid that's just the way things are and it wouldn't be fair on the other seven guys because they have all been playing on hard courts since well before the US Open.

"You can't just switch surface like that with no time to transition and with injuries being so prevalent in the game at the moment, a lot of people would get hurt going back to clay for just one week.

"I praise Rafael Nadal, I applaud all his achievements but cannot help but think, when he finally quits, there will be a big gap in his record.

"Playing indoor tournaments needs a special kind of concentration when you are not sure whether it is day or night outside. It can be draining and everybody likes fresh air now and again.

"But it can be done. Borg twice won the Masters, as this event used to be known, when it was played at New York's Madison Square Garden on a carpet.

"As somebody who played there a few years later, let me tell you the ball really used to fly through."

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Even the people that used to vouch for the nadal are seeing the light.

 

[Fedforever]

Hmm, well I tend to find Pat Cash a bit irritating but he's surely right about the impossibility of players transitioning to clay at this stage of the season. Seems to have caused Murray some problems

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...g-ATP-Tour-finals-and-focus-on-Davis-Cup.html

 

[George Turner]

He wants them on clay so he can beat Thiem in the final

 

[Zeref]

I don't understand Nadal's point for Changing WTF surface, just like Slams are played on their particular surface , Wtf is played on Low bouncing hard courts indoors , that's just it.

 

[VolleyHelena]

Coming from Pat Cash this is huge.
He's extremely pro-Nadal

 

[TheAssassin]

He wants them on clay so he can beat Thiem in the final

More importantly he wants it on clay so Federer would skip the event.

 

[Mr Feeny]

More importantly he wants it on clay so Federer would skip the event.

Or so that he doesn't get wrecked again. According to him, all the matches thus far against Federer this year (including the 2 on very slow courts in IW and Miami ) are on 'Fed's favored surface'.

Poor lad just wants a chance to win. The 36 year old is causing him so much anguish.

 

[True Fanerer]

Coming from Pat Cash this is huge.
He's extremely pro-Nadal

Its surprising really. He's usually giving Fed all the criticism like at the AO this year

 

[tennisaddict]

“Yes it’s always on my mind (that I haven’t won here before), it’s true, but at the same time it’s always on my mind that in the 13 years that I’ve qualified I’ve never played on a different surface than this one,” the world No.1 smiles as he addressed reporters at the O2 Arena in London on Friday.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Heel turn.

 

[True Fanerer]

From 2015 - More whining

For The Win

Rafael Nadal shouldn't be whining about not having clay courts at the ATP World Tour Finals

• Chris Chase

interview this week with Britain’s Daily Mail ahead of next week’s year-end ATP World Tour Finals, Nadal came off as fairly whiny in expressing his dissatisfaction that the Finals have been played on indoor hard courts since he started qualifying for them in 2006. He, obviously, would prefer clay.

The world No. 5 told Stuart Fraser:


“I believe that it’s not fair that a player like me really never played on a surface that was a little bit more favourable. I always played on the worst surface possible for me.

“If it’s indoor at the 02, then great, but you can build a different type of surface there. It is a fantastic place to organise a World Tour Finals. The atmosphere is just amazing and I am very happy it is there. I enjoy it every time I have had the chance to be there, but we can play on clay there too.”

(AP)

Cue exaggerated eye-roll.

Rafael Nadal is a sublime tennis player on any surface — one of the best in the history of the sport. But on clay he’s otherworldly, better than Jordan in his prime, perhaps equal to Tiger in his, though doing so in an eight-year stretch that will never be touched. (Nadal has separate winning streaks of 31 and 39 at the French Open and has taken home nine titles. He once won 81 straight matches on the surface. I could go on and on.)

But through all that, Nadal’s has been aided by the ATP giving clay-court tennis an elevated level of importance as compared to hard, grass and indoor courts. Don’t get me wrong, the guy has won five Slams off of his favorite surface, so it’s not like he’s a slouch off clay. But if anyone shouldn’t be complaining about how many important tournaments are on clay, it’s Nadal.

(Getty Images)

When in 1990 the ATP introduced a set of “Masters” events that were one step below a Grand Slam, three of those nine events were designated to be played on clay. Now called the Masters 1000 (referring to the amount of rankings points up for grabs), the competitions in Monte Carlo, Madrid and Rome generate a full one-third of the tournaments and, again, are all on clay. Nadal has won the most of these Masters events in history (27) — Djokovic is hot on his heels with 26 — and that’s thanks to 19 titles in those clay events.

A tennis season essentially last 11 months. It has a dedicated two-month clay season, which is 18% of the year. Yet 29% of big tournaments (four Slams, nine 1000 events, WTF) are on clay. As has been mentioned hundreds of times before, the argument is not that clay is given short shrift, it’s that the ATP overemphasizes clay. There’s no Masters 1000 event on grass courts, for instance, something that would greatly benefitted Roger Federer in his prime and Novak Djokovic (as well as Federer) now. Yet there’s three on clay.

Monte Carlo. (AP)

Fair? Who’s to say. Europe is the tennis hotbed so it makes sense to put big tournaments there, where clay is often a favored surface. But the idea that Nadal, who has never won the World Tour Finals and has only made the finals twice, is somehow getting the short end because the year’s final event is played on an indoor hard court (and one that’s not particularly fast, something that would also help Federer and Djokovic, in that order) is preposterous.

 

[Mr Feeny]

“Yes it’s always on my mind (that I haven’t won here before), it’s true, but at the same time it’s always on my mind that in the 13 years that I’ve qualified I’ve never played on a different surface than this one,” the world No.1 smiles as he addressed reporters at the O2 Arena in London on Friday.

Jesus Christ. Does he do anything but cry?

 

[Polvorin]

Typical form... instead of adapting and changing things in his game, he expects the game and the rules to change for him. Nothing new here.

 

[Shaolin]

Holy sh*t…finally an intelligent statement from Cash.

Never thought I'd see the day.

 

[Tennisanity]

Imagine how many Rome titles Fed would have won had they switched it to indoor HC from time to time!

 

[Fedforever]

Positively Machiavellian from Fed:

https://twitter.com/Ubitennis/status/929758136675786752

Says Nadal has a fair point whilst pointing out it's sh*te.

 

[TMF]

Embrace the challenge Nadal. Every player has to deal with his worst surface/condition so it's not only you.

Lendl wants to win Wimbledon just as bad as Nadal wants to win the WTF, but Lendl doesn't whine about All England Club not switching to other surface like clay. Federer never asked Roland-Garros being on grass.

Either you have the talent/skill to win it or you don't.

 

[smoledman]

This is expected when a player hyper-dominates a surface like Nadal.

 

[Johnnypeacock]

Nadal is not asking for it to be an outdoor event. He is asking for it to be indoors on clay which is easily done. It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

As for gaps in career I don't think it's as big as Federer failure to beat Nadal at Roland Garros as that's acknowledged as the hardest task in tennis.

As for Borg, he never won the USO so that's a far bigger hole in the resume.

Cash is a top guy so he is entitled to his view but it's a bit misguided on this point.

 

[Johnnypeacock]

Nadal is not asking for it to be an outdoor event. He is asking for it to be indoors on clay which is easily done. It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

As for gaps in career I don't think it's as big as Federer failure to beat Nadal at Roland Garros as that's acknowledged as the hardest task in tennis.

As for Borg, he never won the USO so that's a far bigger hole in the resume.

Cash is a top guy so he is entitled to his view but it's a bit misguided

 

[MichaelNadal]

It would be nice if Nadal works Federer out here to close some Maestronian pie-holes.

 

[ohiostate124]

If he can win Wimbledon multiple times with his clay game, he has no excuse.

 

[Steve0904]

Pat Cash is probably right, but he's also a clown so I'm not too concerned by anything that he says. Didn't even read the OP. Waste of my time.

 

[Johnnypeacock]

It would be nice if Nadal works Federer out here to close some Maestronian pie-holes.

I'm certain Nadal a lot more interested in AO 2018. I doubt we will see lights out Nadal in London. He was obligated to go as world no.1 but I wouldnt rule out a flare up of his knee next few days and an early exit back to his yacht for a well deserved holiday.

 

[True Fanerer]

Nadal is not asking for it to be an outdoor event. He is asking for it to be indoors on clay which is easily done. It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

As for gaps in career I don't think it's as big as Federer failure to beat Nadal at Roland Garros as that's acknowledged as the hardest task in tennis.

As for Borg, he never won the USO so that's a far bigger hole in the resume.

Cash is a top guy so he is entitled to his view but it's a bit misguided

WTF should be blue clay then

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

Yeah I kinda find Rafa's comments on WTF and being on clay a bit ridiculous....

 

[MeatTornado]

I don't understand why Rafa would even mention this. Did the WTF have a history of rotating surfaces in the past that I'm not aware of? Why would he think that was even a possibility.

Does he question Roland Garros being played on clay every year? Wimbledon on grass? They don't rotate to give every player a fair shake at the tournament, so why would the Tour Finals be any different? I really don't understand this viewpoint.

 

[Johnnypeacock]

I don't understand why Rafa would even mention this. Did the WTF have a history of rotating surfaces in the past that I'm not aware of? Why would he think that was even a possibility.

Does he question Roland Garros being played on clay every year? Wimbledon on grass? They don't rotate to give every player a fair shake at the tournament, so why would the Tour Finals be any different? I really don't understand this viewpoint.

His point is the WTF are supposed to be a play off between games he 8 best players of the world to determine the world champion. A bit like Rugby Aviva Premiership who have a league (ranking system) then the top 4 have a play off to determine the league champion.

In order for the WTF it should be rotated so all players have equal chance throughout their careers. It isn't the same format as any other tournament.

Nadal is spot on in this regard, but the WTf nowadays has little resonance and is more a money making exercise for corporate entities.

 

[natalia]

CHAMPIONS ADAPT.

 

[natalia]

CHAMPIONS ADAPT.

 

[Federev]

“Yes it’s always on my mind (that I haven’t won here before), it’s true, but at the same time it’s always on my mind that in the 13 years that I’ve qualified I’ve never played on a different surface than this one,” the world No.1 smiles as he addressed reporters at the O2 Arena in London on Friday.

Nobody's prefect.

 

[KINGROGER]

Nadal is not asking for it to be an outdoor event. He is asking for it to be indoors on clay which is easily done. It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

As for gaps in career I don't think it's as big as Federer failure to beat Nadal at Roland Garros as that's acknowledged as the hardest task in tennis.

As for Borg, he never won the USO so that's a far bigger hole in the resume.

Cash is a top guy so he is entitled to his view but it's a bit misguided

Looks like Nadal also has a USO gap as he's never beaten Federer there.

 

[lunaticmochi]

Nadal is beyond lucky that the tour has completely eliminated carpet as a surface.

 

[lunaticmochi]

Nadal is beyond lucky that the tour has completely eliminated carpet as a surface.

 

[True Fanerer]

Looks like Nadal also has a USO gap as he's never beaten Federer there.

Yes but Federer shares the same gap

 

[Mr Feeny]

His point is the WTF are supposed to be a play off between games he 8 best players of the world to determine the world champion. A bit like Rugby Aviva Premiership who have a league (ranking system) then the top 4 have a play off to determine the league champion.

In order for the WTF it should be rotated so all players have equal chance throughout their careers. It isn't the same format as any other tournament.

Nadal is spot on in this regard, but the WTf nowadays has little resonance and is more a money making exercise for corporate entities.

That' not his point at all. He wants the WTF to be on clay because he hasn't been able to win it and is petrified of a 36 year old.
And he most definiely isn' spot on. There's a reason he' a laughing stock everywhere currently, after these comments.

 

[Federev]

“Yes it’s always on my mind (that I haven’t won here before), it’s true, but at the same time it’s always on my mind that in the 13 years that I’ve qualified I’ve never played on a different surface than this one,” the world No.1 smiles as he addressed reporters at the O2 Arena in London on Friday.

Nobody's prefect.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Yeah I kinda find Rafa's comments on WTF and being on clay a bit ridiculous....

There' a difference between fanboys and a fan. Here's an example of a knowledgeable tennis fan who has no problem being objective even if it isn' always completely complimentary about his favourite.
The rest of the fanboys on here can learn a thing or two.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Or so that he doesn't get wrecked again. According to him, all the matches thus far against Federer this year (including the 2 on very slow courts in IW and Miami ) are on 'Fed's favored surface'.

Poor lad just wants a chance to win. The 36 year old is causing him so much anguish.

Fed's preferred surface against Nadal would be indoor low bouncing hard court or fresh grass.

Nadal's would be clay.

Outdoor high bouncing hard courts are a middle ground and all of their matches this year have been played on them. Can't believe Nadal is that delusional. He'll be in for a treat at the WTF if he thinks Miami is Fed's preferred surface.

 

[Julian Houston]

Wafanada feeling pressure of Fred.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

You know that when a big Nadal fan like Pat Cash tells Nadal to shut up about rotating the WTF surface, that speaks volumes how selfish Nadal truly is.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Yall are so mad about YE #1

 

[KINGROGER]

Yes but Federer shares the same gap

I doubt he cares, all that matters is he won the CGS. The only gaps, are small ones such as not winning Monte Carlo or Rome.

 

[KINGROGER]

delete

 

[KINGROGER]

Delete

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

Yall are so mad about YE #1

Not at all. Most object Fedfans agrees who's the YE#1. Federer never truly wanted to become #1. He just wants to win titles at this point of his career with a limited schedule. If he happens to get #1 as a bonus, so be it but he will not go out of his way to get it.

Normally you're a good poster but I am not sure why you're trying to instigate nonsense.

 

[Mainad]

As I said elsewhere, would he be sympathetic to the complaints of grasscourt specialists that Roland Garris is unfair because it is always played on clay?

 

[KINGROGER]

Yes but Federer shares the same gap

I doubt he cares, all that matters is he won the CGS. The only gaps, are small ones such as not winning Monte Carlo or Rome.

 

[True Fanerer]

I doubt he cares, all that matters is he won the CGS. The only gaps, are small ones such as not winning Monte Carlo or Rome.

True, True, and umm True

 

[MichaelNadal]

Not at all. Most object Fedfans agrees who's the YE#1. Federer never truly wanted to become #1. He just wants to win titles at this point of his career with a limited schedule. If he happens to get #1 as a bonus, so be it but he will not go out of his way to get it.

Normally you're a good poster but I am not sure why you're trying to instigate nonsense.

Bc all the antagonizing is old.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

Bc all the antagonizing is old.

So just ignore it. There are losers and idiots all over this world but you are the bigger man by ignoring them.

 

[MichaelNadal]

So just ignore it. There are losers and idiots all over this world but you are the bigger man by ignoring them.

Yeah, anyway, whatyouhavinfordinner?

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

Yeah, anyway, whatyouhavinfordinner?

Probably just gonna make a homemade lasagna (fresh pastas), san romano tomatoes/passata fresh tomato sauce, with half beef, half pork, béchamel sauce, parmesan cheese with a nice Amarone Luigi 2013 red wine.

What about you?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Yall are so mad about YE #1

Wrong. The salient point is that Nadal is coming off as a whiny and petulant little girl. It's not clay season and nobody but he and the VB crowd would even suggest playing it on clay. His remarks are really pathetic in this case. It showcases how incredibly entitled he feels and he simply made an ass of himself.

 

[fedtennisphan]

Wafanada feeling pressure of Fred.

This.

 

[BeatlesFan]

delete

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The WTF has its roots deeply entrenched into indoor tennis, all the past champions have won the title indoors.

Heck even Guga, who is far more of a clay specialist than Rafa is, has won the WTF.

Nadal is more than capable to winning it, his issue is that he is has been playing along side the two most accomplished HC players of all time, Federer and Djokovic, and beating them in those conditions is one of greatest test in tennis, for Nadal at least this is true. He has a great chance to win it this year, we all know he wants the last big missing trophy from his cabinet, and this year he has been in great form. Instead of talking about it being on other surfaces, and focusing on the negative, rise up to the challenge as you have always done, step up and go for it.

 

[pame]

Nadal is not asking for it to be an outdoor event. He is asking for it to be indoors on clay which is easily done. It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

As for gaps in career I don't think it's as big as Federer failure to beat Nadal at Roland Garros as that's acknowledged as the hardest task in tennis.

As for Borg, he never won the USO so that's a far bigger hole in the resume.

Cash is a top guy so he is entitled to his view but it's a bit misguided on this point.

Umm.. indoor hard does not translate to indoor grass or indoor clay. EoS

 

[MeatTornado]

Fed's preferred surface against Nadal would be indoor low bouncing hard court or fresh grass.

Nadal's would be clay.

Outdoor high bouncing hard courts are a middle ground and all of their matches this year have been played on them. Can't believe Nadal is that delusional. He'll be in for a treat at the WTF if he thinks Miami is Fed's preferred surface.

Roger more than proved himself with the wins in IW & Miami, but I don't think anyone would describe Rod Laver Arena in 2017 as high bouncing. Ditto for the Shanghai Masters.

 

[Fedforever]

It should be rotated between clay hard and grass every three years if it is a true world championship as it was once called.

How could you play on grass in November? Somewhere in Australia would have to maintain a top-class grass court that would be played on every three years?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Probably just gonna make a homemade lasagna (fresh pastas), san romano tomatoes/passata fresh tomato sauce, with half beef, half pork, béchamel sauce, parmesan cheese with a nice Amarone Luigi 2013 red wine.

What about you?

Omg, I guess what you're having, as soon as I pull up to your place lmao

 

[Tennisanity]

Why does Nadal even care seeing as his fans consider WTF an exhibition

 

[mika1979]

If what is reported is true, and I am not sure he would be stupid enough to say it like this, he comes off pathetic. There is no defense as no champions whined like this