The Death of the Slice

Why is the slice at an all-time low usage rate?


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Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
On Sunday, an ATP Masters final was played, over 300 groundstrokes hit, and I barely counted even one slice. Perhaps some of the defensive gets could be counted as 'slices', but neither player employed a traditional slice as a rally shot from a standing position more than once. The highest RPM shot in tennis, totally discarded. In short, two players at the highest level of the game had no use for slice whatsoever.

Why?

This is far from the first time, either - having watched close to a thousand matches since the 2010s, I have seen less and less slices as players from the old generation died out and retired. Just in 2022 we lost two of our greatest slicers ever - Roger Federer and Ashleigh Barty - with fellow slice connoisseurs Lopez, Kohlschreiber, Del Potro, Almagro joining them recently.

Trying to rank the top 10-15 slices on Tour is a disturbing adventure. You look down the list and draw blank after blank. The slice is not officially dead, of course, as long as Evans, Murray, Dimitrov, and play, we will still see it used to good effect. Even Djokovic and (especially) Nadal have improved their slices into consistently useful shots in crucial matches over the past years.

But almost no player under 27 even uses it more than occasionally - and the usage rates are even lower amongst the best of the Next Gen.

Statistically, slice rates have dropped dramatically from the 80s and 90s - with ~12% of groundstrokes being classified as slice by ATP data in 2021. And the situation is even more dire on the WTA side, with only Sara Sorribes Tormo and Viktoria Golubic hitting more than 10% of her BHs as slices.

The obvious explanation is that most players in the old ages used a 1HBH and the slice came logically. But, even our best 1HBH players hardly use it anymore; Thiem is essentially a non-factor at this point, Shapovalov's is tragic, Tsitsipas attempts it, but his technique is awful, and Musetti prefers a BH drive despite possessing a decent slice. Even Berrettini, the player widely touted as the slicer of the NextGen, makes a lot of errors with it and has high levels of inconsistency slicing. Ironically, the best slice under age 35 may come all the way from ITF world with Mr. Bernard Tomic, who can hardly move explosively anymore, but still has excellent racquet talent.

So my question is, why has the slice died out as a shot?

Is it a logical continuation of the light racquet poly era, where players can attack slices effortlessly with poly? Is it a function of the academies shifting away from the slice and copying the BH drive model? Is it a lack of racquet talent? Is the pace of the game too fast?

Why does no one slice anymore?
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
I want to say it's just players having backhands that are too rock solid to make slicing worth it in their eyes. But then I remember that Murray has always had one of the best slices despite his 2-hander being one of the most reliable shots ever. So there's really no excuse not to practice and utilize both.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Bring back Barty :(
I want to say it's just players having backhands that are too rock solid to make slicing worth it in their eyes. But then I remember that Murray has always had one of the best slices despite his 2-hander being one of the most reliable shots ever. So there's really no excuse not to practice and utilize both.
I would be much more inclined to entertain “the slice is not useful against modern poly strings” if Federer didn’t basically slice through everyone on tour in 2019, or if Nadal/Thiem/Dimitrov hadn’t basically destroyed Medvedev’s game with their slices in recent matches.

And obviously Barty was playing probably the best tennis of her career hitting majority slices in 21/22. So clearly it has a lot of useful application in recent memory. I don’t get why no one wants to use it?
 

Funbun

Professional
I think offensive/neutral slicing is dead as a tactic; it's riskier than a topspin shot, and at best, in a era where point construction revolves mostly around time pressure+shot depth, you certainly create a bit of time for your opponent when you choose to slice vs a topspin shot.

I agree with @MeatTornado , although players are obviously way more than capable of slicing very hard whenever they want; you see them do slice rallies in practice all the time.
 

McGradey

Hall of Fame
Not much incentive to hit slice on slow and bouncy courts. Wimbledon you still see a bit more of it especially in the first week when the grass is slick and fast. It is extremely difficult to consistently pick a good slice up and drive it on such a surface, but these conditions account for like 2% of the calendar year for the pros.

Tangentially, yes it is a different game to what the pros play, but if you play or watch decent rec tennis on a fast surface (grass or synthetic grass) you will still see a lot of slicing and it is very effective.
 

bobeeto

Professional
I love a bh slice but if you play it on a slow court, and don’t get all your weight into it, it’s gonna sit up ever so slightly - anyone with groundies worth a darn is gonna make you regret it

Most outdoor college courts are slow so they can resurface less

Fast courts are a dream tho
 

McGradey

Hall of Fame
The most obvious single shot where this downwards trend is evidenced would have to be the slice approach shot.

Players still hit them, but jeez they have to be PERFECT or else you will be watching a rocket passing shot fly past. Even on the full run guys can hit this kind of passing shot now; a perfectly decent slice approach will be fodder unless it is low, fast, and placed right into the corner. Even then it could come back as a lob or passing shot.

So maybe it’s a combination of increased defensive abilities and slower surfaces that have made slicing less of an offensive asset?
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Berrettini has the best slice on the tour.
Our sweet prince has been hitting god-awful slice for the past 12 months or so. Compared to his lofty standards at least. Used it all up to take down Raz at AO 22 with the knife slices. A fitness/movement thing. When he catches it right it’s still a beauty, but he’s constantly off balance and misfiring with it when I watched him recently.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
When you can rush your opponent by a topspin shot, you always should. Unless ofcourse when you are hitting a drop shot. Drop shots are at a decline too, I think.

It's all about rocket shots and big serves.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Great OP.
I think it's a combo of racquet tech, court speed & coaching.
It still can work if you are good at it, but more and more players can hit with enough spin to counter it
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I want to say it's just players having backhands that are too rock solid to make slicing worth it in their eyes. But then I remember that Murray has always had one of the best slices despite his 2-hander being one of the most reliable shots ever. So there's really no excuse not to practice and utilize both.
Murray was a grinder and a pusher a lot of the time to the point that his hip finally gave out.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Tsonga and Berretini used the slice a lot. Especially Berretini since his BH is about as good as a club level player :-D So he hardly has any other option than to hit slices off that side.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
That is a great post with some good input. Technology, tactics and surfaces pushed the players towards the 2H drive and away from the slice. A great slice is a rare thing now but this actually makes a great slice more valuable. Barty was the queen of the slice and we all know about Federers and how he used it in 2019. Most gals and guys don't handle a great slice well.

To me it seems that the hard part for younger players is the steep climb to get a BH slice good enough to make it worthwhile in most matchups. So most don't even try. Sinner is an extreme example. The 2H BH drive is one of the best on tour and comes very natural. It works very well in combination with one of the best FH in the game. He dominates most guys from the backline and had little incentive to use the slice.

Maybe in years to come we will see it once again more to disrupt in specific situations or specific players. Just like we seem to see more stops and volleys compared to some years ago.
 
IMO not having a slice is not that big of a problem if you are an amazing mover and preferably have a good or great two handed BH (Medvedev, Zverev) but in the case of Tsitsipas for instance (first example coming to mind) him having a terrible slice is just dramatic and it makes it so easy to win points on his BH side.

As for Sinner, the guy tries to add new dimensions to his game so he is moving in the right direction, but as we saw with his dropshots during the final, he has a LOT of work to do still to improve his game when it comes to finesse and touch (that would include his slice) . But at least he's trying, and it may pay in a few years, contrarly to guys like Rublev or Fritz who are making 0 improvements whatsoever, probably satisfied with their strengths and not wanting to go out of their comfort zone.
 
A single match-up? Can you list the top players who have a good slice?
Obviously Novak and Nadal. Berrettini, Musetti, Kyrgios...pretty sure several guys have decent slice and many are using it and will get better with time (like Novak did) at it. Death of the slice would be if no one used it ..
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously Novak and Nadal. Berrettini, Musetti, Kyrgios...pretty sure several guys have decent slice and many are using it and will get better with time (like Novak did) at it. Death of the slice would be if no one used it ..
First of all, OP said "the slice is not officially dead, of course." and listed everyone who still uses it.

But the discussion is about young players not developing one, so forget Novak and Nadal. Kyrgios is semi retired at this point, and I'd disagree about his slice anyway.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Berrettini has the best slice on the tour.
What a pathetic indictment for tennis.

Actually Murray has the best slice but nobody comes up to Old man's slice.

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