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  1. forthegame

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    Finally managed to get a proper hit. Indoors!
    Worked out all my muscle groups, known and unknown.
    Hit the ball really well.
    Ah, good times.
     
  2. Ross K

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    Looking for excellent quality natty gut string recommendations sold in the UK to experiment with hybrid-wise- BUT at decentish price. Anyone?...
     
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    Ignore all this :)
     
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    Come on gents!... somebody?...
     
  5. Dave M

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    I've struggled it's the price, it seems with real genuine gut you mostly get what you pay for.Bought some cheaper stuff once and it snapped while i tied the knot.(that was annoying)
    I bought some off e**y once and it was so think it wouldn't go through the grommets.
    Babolat vs was the best i remember using tbh.Pricey though.
     
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    Bloody hell Uk racketaholics talking????? whatever next????

    We missed snow here, so Ive managed to actually get on the court, although froze doing so.

    FTG, Dave is always correctamundo, you need to understand what you are after before you buy, always go under your ideal spec so you can leave room for mods/og/leather etc. I find 20g under is good to go and gives me enough room to add stability, sw and balance. Take note of balance also and keep it close to what you like and if you dont like too much sw then dont go buying nblades!
     
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    LOL! Meags, I had no idea what my ideal sw was! That's the only thing I think can explain my tiredness during a session - along with my fitnesslevel.

    I played well the last 2 days with my nBlades though. Still need more power though I think technique is key..
     
  8. Meaghan

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    What strings my friend?
     
  9. forthegame

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    ^^
    You wouldn't believe I've currently got the Cordatec strings in!!
    Was hard and odd when fresh but seems to have settled now that it's over a week old.

    B4 that I had a Head Multi....
     
  10. Meaghan

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    not very powerful that string although I like the string when it was pretty dead, really plush feel for cheap tat.

    Tried lower tensions?
     
  11. prostaff junkie

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    Last summer I got some gut on the bay, it was called "Performaxx". There's a thread on here about it. Think I paid about £19 posted (from the US). I thought it was pretty good, but I've only used natty gut twice so I haven't got much to compare it to.
     
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    Cheers Will. I'll look up the thread. Did you have to pay import tax on it BTW?
     
  13. Dave M

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    I got some of that last year, I found it to be quite nice when it was either old and had stretched or if strung low in the tension range.
     
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    Currently have it in at 54lbs, not bad after a week or so. Using it to test out different tensions for the nblade.

    Will aim for lower. Still need to provide your own juice with this racquet. Very very comfortable stick though.
     
  15. Dave M

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    Which frame are we talking about at the moment?
     
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    Hey guys, been a while since I've posted here. I switched to the Exo3 Tour a few weeks ago in an attempt to save my arm and have been loving it so far, even with factory strings. I was wondering if people have played this stick with a hybrid of multi mains and poly crosses? how much of the softness will I lose? Just hoping to gain a little more control.

    In the spirit of this weekend, here's a slightly blurry pic of the Davis Cup...

    [​IMG]
     
  17. forthegame

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    nBlade 98.
     
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    No I dont' think so, just paid the full price on the listing. Think it was around 25 bucks all in. Took about 2 weeks to arrive.

    It snapped when I was stringing it, didn't know if it was my fault or the strings so I told the seller what happened and he sent me another set FOC. Strung the 2nd set with no dramas. Good service I thought!

    Item no.220780438373. This is the stuff I got. He does different 'types' of nat gut designed/intended for different types of player. It's interesting stuff, current listing says £17 odd + £4.50ish postage. Might get some more........:)

    (Didn't you buy a couple of 03 Tours from me in the FB group a while back? One of them had it in the mains with syn gut crosses.)
     
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    Jaz, anyone,

    what do you think of the Jaycee stringing method?

    Ive done my first job, kinda Jaycee-lite version but Ive got a very even stringbed. Also I went with their thick poly main/thin poly cross advice and the spin and feel is very noticable. What you think mate?
     
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    I've been looking at that, sounds interesting. Could it be done successfully on a drop weight machine though?
     
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    Just a cotton-picking minute... it's been a while since I posted here, and I took delivery of an EXO3 Tour today! Must be something in the air.

    I'll be stringing mine up with gut in the mains and poly crosses, which isn't too dissimilar to your proposed setup. I find that the mains always dominate the feel, so multi mains with poly crosses will behave more like a stiffer multi, whilst poly mains with multi crosses comes across more like a softened poly.

    If you're looking to get more control without hybriding, two multis to check out are Head RIP Control and Mantis Comfort Synthetic. RIP Control is very low powered for a multi, whilst the Mantis is probably the softest synthetic I've tried and so you could increase tension without sacrificing comfort.

    Ross: I see you're see you're searching for gut. Babolat VS Team is my favourite as it had this delicious combination of comfort and crispness, but it's around £25. I tend to use Bow Brand Professional, which I get for around £20, and would be cheaper with a bulk order. It's slightly softer than the VS, and I've had no quality issues with it. If you're hybriding, I'd suggest getting the sets that come in 2 x 6m. I've also come to the decision that a hybrid with gut in the mains and a poly cross works best with a smooth poly: the textured stuff doesn't seem to add anything, stops it from moving and snapping back so easily when you're hitting topspin, and wears through it quicker.

    If you are looking at the Bow Brand, be aware they use 'international' gauge sizing. I use 8: a conversion chart is below (stolen from a competitor website so I won't credit it here, but it's not my own work!)

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    Thickness (mm) 	 American Gauge 	 International Gauge
    1.41 - 1.49	         15                             9.5
    1.33 - 1.41	         15L                            9
    1.26 - 1.34	         16                             8.5
    1.22 - 1.30	         16L                            8
    1.16 - 1.24	         17                             7.5
    1.06 - 1.16	         18                             7
    
    Hope you boys are all doing well, and indulging in tennis and a spot of polar-bearing. :cool:
     
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    Interesting..

    So, added an overgrip to my Pure Drive to increase weight and generally see if it would make a difference.

    Played today and I was impressed. My groundstrokes had much more pace - kinda like I remember it used to have. My serves were faster and acused my opponent problems.

    My elbow feels fine but my shoulder has a mild-moderate ache. I'll see if weighting it up more would make a difference. Conscious of the fact that too much weight could be detrimental.

    Really enjoyed it today.

    Lead and strings will be my friends!! Will play about with both to see if the PD1stGen and I can have a long romance.

    Oh, the racquetaholic bug, expecting 2 other racquets shortly. Both have bigger head size, stiffer but renowned as comfortable sticks.

    Watch this space, roll on the summer.
     
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    Hmm... hoping to receive the EXO3 Tour Team.

    Something definitely in the air!
     
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    I've strung my rackets 50 times in the past year.
     
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    Pics from Davis Cup (LTA website)...

    Only we Brits are this good! :twisted:


    [​IMG]
     
  26. prostaff junkie

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    LOL.......anyone spot the wardrobe malfunction?:shock:
     
  27. forthegame

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    Wales routing Scotland at the mo.....
     
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    Unnecessary.

    Can't believe Evans managed to win two live singles rubbers against two better players than him.
     
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    Great effort from Team GB! Didn't think they could do it but proud of their efforts.

    Danny boy pulled it out in the end, great stuff!
     
  30. Meaghan

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    Tbh havent done much different from my normal method......but good results today from my b5e 1.24 mains and Iontec 1.20 crosses.

    What do you think of their thinner poly cross theory that strung at the same tension to the poly mains, should result in an even stringbed due to the thinner crosses being relatively stiffer and this compensates for the tension loss due to friction from the mains when tensioning?
     
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    No. I would do thinner poly on the main and I would string the thicker poly tighter.
     
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    Sadly yes, looks like 2 people didn't get the change of uniform email!

    MEags, what is this string method you're talking about?
     
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    Dave, I wanted to ask too! All these different methods for threading cords through holes in racquets is leaving me with zero enthusiasm for picking up a stringer and stringing for myself!
     
  34. Dave M

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    I have a string machine and i still have zero enthusiasm right now!

    Been out with the PD again?
     
  35. Meaghan

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    Hi Dave, its the Jaycee or JET method......

    Ive been wading through some of the info and took what might be useful for me......stringing poly low (below 52lbs), Im used to doing this with 18x20 MP's anyway but what interested me was the info about ruining poly when you string higher, losing its elasticity and longevity. I know this is true playing TB in the bc20 @58lbs, exquisite for a few hours then dead as a dodo......So they have a method of stringing (google it) that involves slow pulls, being careful, you string some strings normally some lower some tighter, some are left for double pulls. I dont do this but after the mains are done you fine tune them like a guitar plucking them to get the same resonance so that they are all a similar tension, like some kind of human tuning fork! When crossing your poly they advise to use a thinner string. Due to the friction against the mains when pulling your cross they say that you lose 20-30% tension, therefore a thinner string being relatively stiffer makes up for the tension loss and leaves an even stringbed stiffness.

    They do say that it lengthens the life of your string, Im not bothered about all that, they have also produced a string supposedly lasts 20-30hrs without loss of performance!! costs $22 tho haha!!!! I dont believe the hype but I can honestly say that the stringbed quality I have is very very good. I didnt get it right with my choice of polys to hybrid, nor did I get the tension quite right but I was close. Had 5 sets yesterday and the playability was great, the feel from the polys was more x1-like but with the benefit of a poly string, spin, control, hit out more etc etc

    I asked Jaz about the relationship between thick and thin strings but as usual Jay's short replys dont say enough. Im not looking for extra spin and I dont like thin strings in the mains, I understand the ideologies behind different concepts, I string, I play, Im not stupid, in fact Im a super intelligent alien being :)

    There's a lot of chat and sh1t going on in the string forum....also as I say google it, Im just interested in trying different set ups etc and Im only interested in my experiments and experiences and how that might improve the level of feel from a stringbed of full poly in a racket that feels much tighter than normal at a given tension, which needs lower poly tensions to take advantage of the beautiful cupping affect it has and lengthened dwell time that I like in a stick.

    On another note can we get this thread moving, I miss the old one, lots of banter lots of informative discussion, stringers like Jaz and Ash too, great stuff.........lets bring our sh1t back..............!!
     
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    Bollocks. Strings do two things. Loose tension and break. You can't prevent either of them.

    I wouldn't use or advocate using two different gauge polyesters in a hybrid. If I did, I would use the thinner poly on the mains, as they are the primary influence on the stringbed. I would string the thicker poly tighter to stretch it out more.

    If I were to use two different gauge polys in a hybrid, the thickest I would use is 1.25, which is pretty much the standard gauge. I would put that on the crosses and string it tighter, but that is simply because I string my crosses tighter.
     
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    Hi Dave, yes, been out with the PD. Hits great just my shoulder that aches after a session - like tonight. It's at ~324g with an overgrip and feels solid but the shoulder still aches, mainly the deltoid today. I wonder if it's the old strings. I love the power though, my wild fast swings in this raq make the ball fly when I CONNECT properly.

    Sorry, eating chicken and typing at the same time, not a good ifea, my keyboard is now oily!
     
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    Has anyone, pro or amateur ever asked for this particluar method to be used?

    What did you tell them?
     
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    I totally understand this jaz but I'm getting better results from the opposite method. Thats why I said im not stupid. I've done the above it works better imo the other way around. Poly hybrid only.
     
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    No. If they did, I'd ask them why. If it was an amateur and depending on how I was feeling at the time, I might even have an argument with them. If it was a pro at a tournament and the work was piling up, I'd be in the zone and probably forget to change the tension every other string.
     
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    Jaz do you string your crosses tighter to compensate for the friction and tension loss from the mains to get an even stringbed?

    The method of having a thinner cross is so you string the mains and crosses at the same tension. I only say this because Ive always had control issues when I string my mains and crosses at two different tensions.

    Im just testing things out. At the moment the method has not improved on my normal stringing ATW 1 piece method. WHere it has inproved is in the set up and this is relative to the racket I use and the recessed central grommets. Im gonna play with it a bit and see what happens, will also try out thicker softer cross and thinner mains and string X's tighter by a couple of lbs.......
     
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    I string my crosses tighter because I like it that way. No technical reason
     
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    How very cognitive of you :)

    To make comments about stringing methods jay you need to do better than that mate!
     
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    When I string a hybrid for myself (poly mains/multi or syn cross) I usually do the crosses 2 or 3lbs higher. I've tried it the other way but prefer the tighter crosses. Maybe it just softens the stringbed a bit more (meaning maybe I can feel the crosses more than the mains?) I'm not sure, but I can't use full poly these days so it's a compromise I guess.

    As for the string tuning, I've always done that a little, but didn't realise somebody had developed it into a "method". My old dropweight probably isn't that accurate so there is always a little variation in "tone".
     
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    Yes this is the norm as synthetics etc are more elastic. It creates an even stringbed. If you have them lower then you are gonna have some problems. This is a given whatever gauge you use.

    When dealing specifically with poly poly hybrids then there are more variants and this is what Im in the process of discovering for myself and whether it is any better than a normal full poly stringjob.
     
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    All this talk of strings and stringing make me want to....

    One needs a PhD to keep abreast!

    In other news, I wonder if I might be having some signs of TE (shudder, hope not)! Trouble I've had in the past has been with probable GE.

    Since playing the 1st Gen PD somewhat regularly, I've started having an odd ache on the outer aspect of my elbow. Not quite the over the condyle etc but the muscles close to it. Mild niggles, nothing more.

    However, the power on serve (had to slow my swing) and a well struck FH is addictive! Really does go BOOM! Backhand has been reduced to slice but these can also be effective.

    Anyone hit with the Boris Becker Delta Core Pro?
     
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    I've had three outings with the new bat, and liking it so far. Very comfortable is the first thing I noticed, along with the dwell time. It's taking some getting used to: my timing can be a little off when I go for a big shot as the racquet is so quick through the strike zone. Defence is effortless, and I'm able to get the ball back deep with just a flick. The only real issue is that there's much more power than I've had, and there's been quite a few occasions where I've been leaning backwards and hit the back fence on the rise. I'm going to need to work on my footwork and balance. :)

    A mention also for the Mantis balls. I opened my first can of these on Sunday, and they're up there with the best (which in my eyes have been Tecnifibre X1). Nice weight, nice bounce, pretty lively, don't fuzz too much, and played well for 5 hours spread over Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I've got 17 cans left, and these may well become my ball of choice as they're a fair bit cheaper than the Tecnifibre.
     
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    Ultimately all this talk of magic stringing methods, different gauges, proportional tensions and so is entirely personal preference. Whilst as stringers and players we are guided by the theory and "science", basically what feels right is right! If what you like and play best with defies "science", who cares!
     
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    Ash, you're the man, period.
     
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    exactly, thats why its worth the effort to experiment. Its a cognitive process, I have a benchmark to work upon, Im not just pulling strings out of the air and blindly playtesting, its interesting, almost artistic :)
     

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