Why Andy Murray failed to become an ATG

[NatF]

Not his best tournament but the SF match was against Stan who wasn't at all bad even if not considered as good as 2015 so that's something. Didn't know Murray in RG 16 F was ever praised heavily by anyone but a few Djokovic fans. lol

One good match is hardly enough to give him a high peak rating IMO.

 

[RS]

One good match is hardly enough to give him a high peak rating IMO.

I think 6-4 to 7-3 isn't that bad all considered but fair enough.

 

[RS]

Time travel extravaganza

Petchey Miami 94 vs Sinner Miami 21

Now we have USO 22 Sinner. Step in the right direction.

 

[Deleted member 779124]

MurryGOAT USO 12 vs Stanimal 13 USO 10 match series, who wins ?

Does the wind factor into this?

 

[Mainad]

Does the wind factor into this?

Depends what you've been eating beforehand.

 

[Deleted member 779124]

Depends what you've been eating beforehand.

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[Sudacafan]

Why did he fail? Has that been made clear enough yet, or should I return in a couple of months?

 

[Mainad]

Why did he fail? Has that been made clear enough yet, or should I return in a couple of months?

The debate is endless. It is like "What is the meaning of life?"

 

[Sudacafan]

The debate is endless. It is like "What is the meaning of life?"

I want it to be finalized. The debate, not life.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Does the wind factor into this?

No. I guess Murray would deal better with the wind but let's say it wouldn't be a factor.

 

[Mainad]

I want it to be finalized. The debate, not life.

How about he may not have won 6 Slams but he did win 6 big titles all in Bo5 matches (3 Slams, 2 OSGMs, 1 Davis Cup ie. the proper one). There, settled!

 

[Deleted member 779124]

How about he may not have won 6 Slams but he did win 6 big titles all in Bo5 matches (3 Slams, 2 OSGMs, 1 Davis Cup ie. the proper one). There, settled!

Davis Cup is still good to win but it's team event. You need multiple titles with multiple big wins for it to tie in a lot any way at least IMHO.

 

[Sudacafan]

How about he may not have won 6 Slams but he did win 6 big titles all in Bo5 matches (3 Slams, 2 OSGMs, 1 Davis Cup ie. the proper one). There, settled!

I am currently not prepared to accept that as valid reason.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

lol

 

[RS]

The ball rolling again?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

The ball rolling again?

Looks like it.

 

[RS]

Fury and Uysk is still unclear.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

He never "failed". He was never an ATG talent to begin with. He achieved about what his talent allowed. Still a great career he had

 

[RS]

Looks like it.

On a small level is fine. We don't need the mass commitment we had 2 years ago.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

On a small level is fine. We don't need the mass commitment we had 2 years ago.

Play on, playa.

 

[CHillTennis]

 

[RS]

Djokovic and Nadal beating him at his own game added with more offense and Fed just offensively bulling him and teeing off winners.

And then Murray's injuries helping 2 of them build bigger leads

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Poor Murray got destroyed once more.

 

[RS]

Play on, playa.

Picked the next fight yet?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Picked the next fight yet?

School is out for the weekend. Monday.

 

[RS]

Poor Murray got destroyed once more.

RG 14 SF

 

[RS]

School is out for the weekend. Monday.

Soon that rule might need to be changed. For the next couple I will allow it though

 

[Beerus]

Murray is still a great champion and his fans should be proud of his achievements.

 

[CHillTennis]

Djokovic and Nadal beating him at his own game added with more offense and Fed just offensively bulling him and teeing off winners.

And then Murray's injuries helping 2 of them build bigger leads

I have always believed that Andy Murray made a mistake by playing as a counter-puncher.

He is 6'3" and if you look at any other athlete who is Andy's size they always look to play offensively.

The matches that I've seen Andy play brilliant tennis were the 2008 US Open semi-finals against Nadal and the 2012 Australian Open semi-finals against Djokovic.

He lost the latter in five sets, however, Andy was playing smart and aggressive tennis.

He took the ball early off of the return of serve and he wasn't allowing himself to drift back behind the baseline.

These were the matches where I felt like he was legitimately close to being on level with the Big 3.

The guy under-achieved. He could have easily won another two or three grand slam titles.

 

[RS]

I will always rant about Murray's 2013 and 2016 - injuries.

Excuses in.

 

[Mainad]

He never "failed". He was never an ATG talent to begin with. He achieved about what his talent allowed. Still a great career he had

Lol....so you write him off at the very beginning and you imagine you are unbiased in this sort of discussion??

 

[Mainad]

Djokovic and Nadal beating him at his own game added with more offense and Fed just offensively bulling him and teeing off winners.

And then Murray's injuries helping 2 of them build bigger leads

Kinda strange how they bullied him into beating them in Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters etc. etc. and on their favourite surfaces too!

 

[RS]

Mainad in the house.

 

[Mainad]

Davis Cup is still good to win but it's team event. You need multiple titles with multiple big wins for it to tie in a lot any way at least IMHO.

True but Murray won every single one of his rubbers at 2015 DC including, most importantly, the final.

 

[Mainad]

Mainad in the house.

Always present and ready to sow the seeds of doubt into the minds of naysayers.

 

[RS]

Murray is still a great champion and his fans should be proud of his achievements.

The start of everything.

 

[Mainad]

I am currently not prepared to accept that as valid reason.

Please let me know when you are ready to do so.

 

[RS]

Kinda strange how they bullied him into beating them in Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters etc. etc. and on their favourite surfaces too!

29 times he bullied them happy?

 

[Mainad]

29 times he bullied them happy?

Hey, 29 times is not a bad tally to stand up to your bullies.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Murray is def an ATG

 

[Martin J]

Poor Murray got destroyed once more.

You forgot to say "LOL".

 

[RS]

 

[Beerus]

Murray is still a great champion and his fans should be proud of his achievements.

 

[James P]

Comically long thread

 

[RS]

Was Hitman ever around here? Can't be bothered to scroll but don't think so.

 

[Mainad]

Was Hitman ever around here? Can't be bothered to scroll but don't think so.

Hitman knows it's not up for debate.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Martin J]

Hitman knows it's not up for debate.

Do you know what ever happened to that guy batz? He was a good Muri fan.

 

[RS]

Choose it over the Murray/Haye pic.

 

[RS]

Hey, 29 times is not a bad tally to stand up to your bullies.

BO3 and 2-0 on the lawn brings back some bonus points