Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Sad truth. They should prohibit betting websites first.
Match fixing will continue to exist. This will only make match fixing "reward fees" rise.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Very unlikely. The well-known players earn too much to be involved.
"While the identities of 28 professional players have not been released, it has been stated that one of them participated at the 2018 US Open."
Assuming it's the US Open main draw singles, a male, and Spanish.
Here's the 32 seeded. Need to find rest of the 128 draw.
2018 US Open Men’s Singles Seeds
1. Rafael Nadal, Spain
2. Roger Federer, Switzerland
3. Juan Martin del Potro, Argentina
4. Alexander Zverev, Germany
5. Kevin Anderson, South Africa
6. Novak Djokovic, Serbia
7. Marin Cilic, Croatia
8. Grigor Dimitrov, Bulgaria
9. Dominic Thiem, Austria
10. David Goffin, Belgium
11. John Isner, United States
12. Pablo Carreno Busta, Spain
13. Diego Schwartzman, Argentina
14. Fabio Fognini, Italy
15. Stefanos Tsitsipas, Greece
16. Kyle Edmund, Great Britain
17. Lucas Pouille, France
18. Jack Sock, United States
19. Roberto Bautista Agut, Spain
20. Borna Coric, Croatia
21. Kei Nishikori, Japan
22. Marco Cecchinato, Italy
23. Hyeon Chung, South Korea
24. Damir Dzumhur, Bosnia and Herzegovina
25. Milos Raonic, Canada
26. Richard Gasquet, France
27. Karen Khachanov, Russia
28. Denis Shapovalov, Canada
29. Adrian Mannarino, France
30. Nick Kyrgios, Australia
31. Fernando Verdasco, Spain
32. Filip Krajinovic, Serbia
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True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I see a couple players that maybe fit the profile from the UO draw.
RaulRamirez
Legend
What are you implying?
RaulRamirez
Legend
Could be, and it's not as if millions read this forum, but should we be engaging in that kind of speculation about a player's integrity? (If I'm missing something, you can enlighten me/us.)
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Tennis_Hands
Banned
RaulRamirez
Legend
Sensitive much?
Why would that be?
Excuse me.
I just question(ed) whether we should be openly speculating about any player's integrity. I (perhaps, obviously) don't know anything about the player that was mentioned.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Judging by the "what are you implying" question I seriously doubt that that is foremost on your mind.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Judging by the "what are you implying" question I seriously doubt that that is foremost on your mind.
I don't know what's ever gained by replying to you, but let's make this one quick. I replied to another poster who wrote,
"Tio Toni rules , the collusion for match fixes and draws is not something new." Unless I'm missing something, that's a slur against Toni Nadal. I questioned why he would make that slur. That's a far cry (almost 180 degrees) from how you're trying to paint it.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Toni Nadal being portrayed as a mafia boss is a local joke, so it is you who does not deserve a response, and you are still too touchy.
Still, the only credible part of the story seems to be that the targeted players are Spanish.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Was it Dolgopolov? Wasn't he implicated in match fixing in the past? And whatever happened to him? He was once ranked 13, now he's almost 300!?One of the players was in the main draw of the last USO
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Otacon
Hall of Fame
Does he train in Spain ?
Dolgopolov wasn't in the draw for last year's US Open, so he couldn't be the player in question, but he was suspected of fixing his match against Thiago Monteiro at Winston Salem 2017, which he lost 3 and 3. If I remember correctly, Monteiro had never won a tour-level match on hard courts up to that point.
Relating to his ranking decline, he hasn't played since last May, and underwent surgery on his wrist in August. There are no upcoming tournaments scheduled on his website, so no idea when he'll be back. Hopefully soon as he's a fun player to watch.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Humbalito?One of the players was in the main draw of the last USO
Tennis_Hands
Banned
It is about matches on a very low level, so not a big name.
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
My thoughts exactly. One of the big problems with the tour is compared to similar sports like golf the money is much more concentrated at the top. A more even distribution might help prevent the temptation for a journeyman to take a quick payday. I doubt anyone in the top 100 will be implicated.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
Just takes one shady character making a bet.
Deon Sanders
Legend
I also want to know what the financial incentives would be to say pay off players to lose to someone to allow that person to rise in the rankings
Like IMG going to someone playing an IMG person and saying here is a couple thousand bucks, more than you would make by winning this whole thing and you really arent going anywhere anyways, so just lose the match
Like IMG going to someone playing an IMG person and saying here is a couple thousand bucks, more than you would make by winning this whole thing and you really arent going anywhere anyways, so just lose the match
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
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It’s also easier to fix lower level sports. You don’t have to pay the players as much and people just aren’t watching that closely.
Yes. Degenerate gamblers love to bet on lower division sports.
It’s also easier to fix lower level sports. You don’t have to pay the players as much and people just aren’t watching that closely.
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
It doesn’t have to be a payoff to lose. It could be a payoff to lose x number of games or the second set or just keep the score close.
Deon Sanders
Legend
No I mean losing
Im not talking about gambling
I am talking about a straight pay for ranking points scheme
George Turner
Hall of Fame
Gamblers will bet on anything that has odds. Same in football, golf, snooker or anything. Gamblers want to win money, the standard of the match is irrelevant.
As others have said, its much easier to fix a low level obscure tennis match.
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
I see what you mean. That would be easily detected I think as it would require someone paying off a players opponents over and over. It also wouldn’t really help since once the player rose above his or her natural spot the weaknesses in their game would be exposed pretty severely.
EloQuent
Legend
Main draw or qualis? There's a couple of Spanish players who are mainly active in Futures who played in the qualiesOne of the players was in the main draw of the last USO
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Deleted member 757547
Guest
One of them playing the US Open last year. Here are my guesses (no disrespect to the players)
Stefano Travaglia
Federico Gaio
Facundo Bagnis (Lost last two sets 6-0 6-0 to monfils)
Yannick Maden
Yannick Hanfman
This is just spectulation, nothing factual.
Stefano Travaglia
Federico Gaio
Facundo Bagnis (Lost last two sets 6-0 6-0 to monfils)
Yannick Maden
Yannick Hanfman
This is just spectulation, nothing factual.
A full list of the Spanish players in the main draw of Men's USO last year:
(1) Nadal
Ferrer
Ramos Vinolas
(19) Bautista Agut
F. Lopez
(31) Verdasco
Carballés Baena
Robredo
Munar
Granollers
(12) Carreno Busta
The problem is most of these guys IMO have made enough over the years to create a strong enough disincentive to engage in match-fixing. The big exceptions and possible candidates are Carballes and Munar.
(1) Nadal
Ferrer
Ramos Vinolas
(19) Bautista Agut
F. Lopez
(31) Verdasco
Carballés Baena
Robredo
Munar
Granollers
(12) Carreno Busta
The problem is most of these guys IMO have made enough over the years to create a strong enough disincentive to engage in match-fixing. The big exceptions and possible candidates are Carballes and Munar.
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Deleted member 757547
Guest
Is it confirmed that the match fixer was Spanish?
From what I've read, not confirmed that the USO player was Spanish, but the implication is that there's a very high likelihood of that.
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Deleted member 757547
Guest
Maybe doubles draw counts too, David Marrero was accused of match fixing in the past and he played in last year's US Open.
That's a good point about Doubles. And since Doubles' pays so much worse than Singles while generating far less attention/scrutiny the tempation and opportunity might be a lot higher in Doubles. The only downside with fixing matches in Doubles is that having to play with a partner might make throwing a match a bit harder, unless your partner is also in on it, but in which case the likelihood of detection or one player "snitching" goes up.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Who allows gambling? I’m sure the ITF / ATP would stop it if they could. And obviously the gambling houses are making money or they wouldn’t be taking action
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Who allows gambling? I’m sure the ITF / ATP would stop it if they could. And obviously the gambling houses are making money or they wouldn’t be taking action.
I’m also wondering where the push is coming from to catch and publicize match fixing. Tennis has no incentive. It’s like catching PED users. If you catch them, sport looks bad (cycling, baseball). And without PEDs, performance declines and with it viewers (and revenue)
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Try qualies.
I’d guess most of these “professional” tennis players involved are the never getting out of the futures types that I think the powers that be are trying to reduce the number of with the new point system.
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
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