Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Hey @Chas Tennis I promised you some vids and well that was about 20 years ago. Anyhow here are 2 from the side.
One handed bh vids for Chas
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Slowtwitcher
Legend
The sight of your dangling left arm is disturbing.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
yeah right. In theory it is moving back like Henin but the vids say no.
pencilcheck
Hall of Fame
I wonder which vid Chas is going to show to do frame by frame comparison. Is it Fed? Will it be gasquet? Or maybe Djokovic's ohbh? 
Shroud
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Dragy
Legend
What if you keep it a bit longer on the throat (as torso rotation begins, then split)?
Also what about increasing spacing a bit - you look a crowded with the ball ...
And who stole your hoody?
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
Next time you go, instead of taking it back and then raising it, try having the racquet higher while taking it back. It will engage more of your back (plus the shoulder of course). I think raising it high that late gets mostly the shoulder engaged less of the back muscles. Might see a power increase.
Fxanimator1
Hall of Fame
I think if you spread your left arm back as a counterbalance, it will force you to stay sideways a bit longer. This will keep your lower body from spinning around on the follow through. I know you and I have had many discussions about your backhand, so I am continuing the trend.
Oh, Happy Thanksgiving to you “D”!
Oh, Happy Thanksgiving to you “D”!
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5263
G.O.A.T.
you made it tough on yourself with these soft feeds that bounce so near vertical right at the baseline. Hitting the steeply rising ball is one of the bigger challenges in the game...you did it quite well, but even the pros struggle with this type of vertical bounce when the ball is more explosive off the bounce.
Dragy
Legend
The question is whether it's really what's needed for good stroke...
Fxanimator1
Hall of Fame
...and the other question is...Do you want your feet flailing around halfway through your stroke? This will stop that and provide a more solid base.
Dragy
Legend
Hitting against a sitting up ball with no pace I’d actually focus on moving forward and opening up into follow-through, stepping around with back foot. Staying in place, staying sideways exposes any minor mis-preparation - one better move through on such balls, on FH or BH side.
Papa Mango
Professional
How you don't get Tennis Elbow is still beyond me ...
Ya I know heavy racket with barbed wire for strings....
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Mountain Ghost
Professional
Head and shoulder "tilt" on pretty much every backhand ... resulting in a bit of falling out of each shot ... not able to hit OUT enough ... currently positioned too close to the ball ... leading with the elbow ... swinging mostly across.
First forward movement should be a rotation OUT (supination) of the (already-straight) rigid arm unit ... instead of leading with the (still-bent) elbow.
Position farther away from the ball required ... hips more forward under shoulders ... no head dip.
One more thing. I'd like to see your left hand on the racquet throat a little sooner ... after each shot as you recover back to Ready Position.
~ MG
First forward movement should be a rotation OUT (supination) of the (already-straight) rigid arm unit ... instead of leading with the (still-bent) elbow.
Position farther away from the ball required ... hips more forward under shoulders ... no head dip.
One more thing. I'd like to see your left hand on the racquet throat a little sooner ... after each shot as you recover back to Ready Position.
~ MG
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
How you don't get Tennis Elbow is still beyond me ...
Ya I know heavy racket with barbed wire for strings....
How about heavy racquet with full bed natural gut?
And a larger grip!
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Here's where your hand leaves the throat against Thiem:
Very good similarities though with those caps!
TBF to Shroud, Thiem there is hitting it off his back foot, while Shroud has really beautiful weight transfer to his front foot.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
The sound is actually a nice feature, because it allows you to time your split step... if you wanted to split step.
Papa Mango
Professional
My comment was more for the contact point and the bent elbow.How about heavy racquet with full bed natural gut?
Having been on the other side of the Shroud BH, I used to avoid it but looking at the pics maybe should have given him more topspin loopy on that side and knocked him out of commission
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Slowtwitcher
Legend
Unpossible!!!
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
The standard for me is the backhand technique of Justine Henin, Gasquet and Wawinka. Thiem too.
For the stroke to the ball - differences between Shroud and Thiem:
1) The elbow is bent. Compare also to Fxanimator1
2) The shoulder joint had moved the upper arm off the chest. Thiem has probably not activated his shoulder joint at the time of this frame, the uppermost body is accelerating the upper arm. Compare also to Fxanimator1
3) Thiem's Scapular Protraction has moved his scapula around the side of his chest some. Shroud's not much. (Scapular Protraction for the backhand may be stressful for the shoulder joint. ? )
Shroud's backhand technique would compare closer to Federer's high level backhand on these points.
Details and videos in
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
For the stroke to the ball - differences between Shroud and Thiem:
1) The elbow is bent. Compare also to Fxanimator1
2) The shoulder joint had moved the upper arm off the chest. Thiem has probably not activated his shoulder joint at the time of this frame, the uppermost body is accelerating the upper arm. Compare also to Fxanimator1
3) Thiem's Scapular Protraction has moved his scapula around the side of his chest some. Shroud's not much. (Scapular Protraction for the backhand may be stressful for the shoulder joint. ? )
Shroud's backhand technique would compare closer to Federer's high level backhand on these points.
Details and videos in
One Hand Backhand - Waht Force to Start Forward Swing?
One Hand Backhand - What Force to Start Forward Swing? I have just been watching great one-hand backhands at the Madrid Open. Including excellent slow motion that can be replayed in even slower motion or single frame with my DVR. Often when I try to swing forward for a one hand backhand...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
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Shroud
G.O.A.T.
OMG. I had played a match earlier. You can see in one vid where I totally get wiped and stop moving. So out of shape!
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
@shroud’s facial expression looks more intensely focused, while Thiem’s looks more surprised.Here's where your hand leaves the throat against Thiem:
Very good similarities though with those caps!
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
To compare frames on this post single frame on Youtube or Vimeo. To single frame on Youtube use the period & comma keys. Select each video by using the alt + left mouse click on the video, otherwise the video starts playing.
To single frame on Vimeo hold down the SHIFT KEY and use the ARROW KEYS.
Find the frames of impact and go back and forth single frame comparing the frames with closest racket positions. You can go full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame.
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Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Yo Bro you forgot the superior genetics, huge handle and stiff racquet.
How you don't get Tennis Elbow is still beyond me ...
Ya I know heavy racket with barbed wire for strings....
FWIW my two rupees say its more to do with what happens at contact:
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
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How you don't get Tennis Elbow is still beyond me ...
Ya I know heavy racket with barbed wire for strings....
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Really dog? Shroud digs the high balls. Weird that the off hand is doing something different here. @Slowtwitcher might not be so freaked:My comment was more for the contact point and the bent elbow.
Having been on the other side of the Shroud BH, I used to avoid it but looking at the pics maybe should have given him more topspin loopy on that side and knocked him out of commission
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
yikes. I would shred gut in like 20 min or less...I recently went up from 5 1/2 to 6" So give it some time...How about heavy racquet with full bed natural gut?
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
that is an interesting thing to see. For some reason I tend to always set up to hit on the rise. It may be the grip or its less to take into account or less time to think and screw it up. Is it just the set up of the machine?
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Always setting up to hit on the rise works well on hard court. Then when you try to switch to rough uneven clay surface, it exposes flaws in your footwork - you have to process the incoming ball differently because the risk-reward ratio for hitting early on the rise is very different.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I doubt it, b/c (and you have to take my word for it) you are not hitting harder than me and I get about 4-6 weeks from best Babolat VS Team 17, strung properly by a certified stringer with "magic in this fingers" (pre stretched, waxed before fed through grommets, 2 LBs lower tension in the crosses that the mains, cleaned after each hit).
I do have 2 spare raquets though, one with poly for serve practice and warm up.
My grip is smaller: I went a few years back from 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 and that's about it. But I can lift a basketball with one hand, what paws do you have?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I dunno, on clay my coaches told me to hit when it goes down (or on the raise), not at apex.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
My comment was more for the contact point and the bent elbow.
Having been on the other side of the Shroud BH, I used to avoid it but looking at the pics maybe should have given him more topspin loopy on that side and knocked him out of commission
Or be brave like Medvedev who took it to Thiem with his 2H BH, but Thiem didn't need to win that last match in his London group?
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Papa Mango
Professional
Cherry picking now are we? The ones I had were a frame before contact, so you aint getting as far ahead as in your pic.Yo Bro you forgot the superior genetics, huge handle and stiff racquet.
FWIW my two rupees say its more to do with what happens at contact:
I know how effective your backhand is since I have been on the other side of it..
But technically it is all wrong.. hitting elbow bent and behind your body before contact, too close contact .. blah blah..
said another way, just hit the damn ball
and let others worry about the scapular pronation.
Papa Mango
Professional
No 360?
FAIL
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
I broke gut/zx in around 20 min in several places after I switched to a western grip. I use a sw these days but full gut would break easily especially because its locked. And fwiw I doubt it would last 20min. I bet it wouldn't survive the stringer. Remember I string at 86lbs....I doubt it, b/c (and you have to take my word for it) you are not hitting harder than me and I get about 4-6 weeks from best Babolat VS Team 17, strung properly by a certified stringer with "magic in this fingers" (pre stretched, waxed before fed through grommets, 2 LBs lower tension in the crosses that the mains, cleaned after each hit).
I do have 2 spare raquets though, one with poly for serve practice and warm up.
My grip is smaller: I went a few years back from 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 and that's about it. But I can lift a basketball with one hand, what paws do you have?
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Cherry picking now are we? The ones I had were a frame before contact, so you aint getting as far ahead as in your pic.
I know how effective your backhand is since I have been on the other side of it..
But technically it is all wrong.. hitting elbow bent and behind your body before contact, too close contact .. blah blah..
said another way, just hit the damn ball
No cherry picking, just the only one that showed at contact. Which was my point about why I don't get elbow issues. Contact is good. Also I don't think anyone gets how the extreme grip is elbow friendly because at contact the palm is toward the net, not the ground. Its much stronger and less impact on elbow.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Hope you are well man! Thanks for the comment. Ironically TT said the changes I made recently made it even worse.
Fxanimator1
Hall of Fame
It’s NOT worse. For sure, it is better.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
I’m surprised the frame survives.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Yo Bro you forgot the superior genetics, huge handle and stiff racquet.
FWIW my two rupees say its more to do with what happens at contact:
I got your back buddy ... your model ain't Thiem ... it's Fed. You are right ... straight arm by contact ... you won rupees.
Bonus Fed pic
Thiem gets arm straight early and maintains it:
Wawrinka gets arm straight very early also:
Haas had some later arm straightening, but not as much as Fed:
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Well, 86lbs it's ridiculous... Mine is at 55/57 lbs..And I use Eastern grip. Also the quality of gut matters, Babolat seemingly being the best. And freshness (even sealed); hence I get mine only from Tennis Warehouse.
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