A little help with the rules please!!! :)

slicefox · Aug 20, 2007

Ok, got some scenarios here, tell me who gets the point if:

1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

3. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's foot/hand/body, while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?

4. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's RAQUET and bounces somewhere random (net, outside, blah), while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?
4.B. Does it matter if Player 2 intentionally touched the ball with his Racquet?

Thanks a ton guys. I would really appreciate all you help.

koopa_troopa · Aug 20, 2007

If I remember the good ol tennis rules correctly:

1/2. Receiver loses

As soon as the server makes contact with the ball, the ball is in play. The ball has to land in the service box to remain in play. If the receiver touches the ball in any way before it lands, the receiver loses the point.

3. Player 2 loses

If a ball in play touches the body of a player, that player loses the point regardless of whether the ball is heading out. In other words, it has to land out before the player can touch it.

4.Depends if it goes over the net into play (I don't quite understand your description.

A player can hit a ball that is going out with his racquet, but it has to go in.

In general it does not matter whether the player does it inentionally or not.

WildVolley · Aug 20, 2007

I agree with koopa_troopa.

4. From my reading of the rules, player 2 loses the point unless he hits the ball back into player 1's court - then the point continues.

According to the rules, intentionality has nothing to do with it.

You'll find a lot of players won't follow this rule in friendly matches. They'll catch or stop the ball when it is 5' or more out and then call it out. Personally, I don't make a big deal out of it, if it is clearly out.

Rickson · Aug 20, 2007

slicefox said:
1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

In club tennis, the server because I always volley back long balls, but in a real match, the receiver loses.

slicefox said:
2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

Same as #1.

slicefox said:
3. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's foot/hand/body, while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?

Receiver loses the point as he has to avoid touching that long ball, period.

slicefox said:
4. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's RAQUET and bounces somewhere random (net, outside, blah), while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?
4.B. Does it matter if Player 2 intentionally touched the ball with his Racquet?

Thanks a ton guys. I would really appreciate all you help.

Player 2 must get the ball in if he wants to stay in the point, otherwise, he loses the point if he touches the ball and it goes out or net.

slicefox · Aug 20, 2007

That's weird. I've always heard that if you are standing outside the court and you volley it, it's your point.

Rui · Aug 20, 2007

slicefox said:
That's weird. I've always heard that if you are standing outside the court and you volley it, it's your point.

You've been listening to politicians, not tennis players.

krz · Aug 20, 2007

if you touch the ball at all before it lands and it goes out technically you lose the point no matter what.

but unless your in tournament any clearly out ball I just stop it so I don't have to chase it.

FatCat · Aug 20, 2007

krz said:
if you touch the ball at all before it lands and it goes out technically you lose the point no matter what.

but unless your in tournament any clearly out ball I just stop it so I don't have to chase it.

For me it depends who I'm playing with. If I'm playing with someone who's even remotely whiny, I let it bounce regardless of how lazy I'm feeling because it's just way easier that way.

JavierLW · Aug 20, 2007

FatCat said:
For me it depends who I'm playing with. If I'm playing with someone who's even remotely whiny, I let it bounce regardless of how lazy I'm feeling because it's just way easier that way.

Good, because I hate it when people catch it, it's kind of disrespectful to us "whiney" people.

Just let it go out man, it's bad enough I hit it out, I dont need to watch you catch it just because you are lazy.

JavierLW · Aug 20, 2007

slicefox said:
Ok, got some scenarios here, tell me who gets the point if:

1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

3. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's foot/hand/body, while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?

4. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's RAQUET and bounces somewhere random (net, outside, blah), while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?
4.B. Does it matter if Player 2 intentionally touched the ball with his Racquet?

Thanks a ton guys. I would really appreciate all you help.

To address question 4)

You can legally hit the ball back in the court no matter where you are standing and if your opponent fails to return it, it's your point. (obviously it's dumb to do that though if you are standing way behind the baseline since you could of just let it go)

So obviously if you hit it and it doesnt go in the other court, you lose the point.

psp2 · Aug 20, 2007

...from The Rules of Tennis. The bolded section should answer all your questions.

24. PLAYER LOSES POINT (OLD 18, 19, 20 & 40)
The point is lost if:
a. The player serves two consecutive faults; or
b. The player does not return the ball in play before it bounces twice
consecutively; or
c. The player returns the ball in play so that it hits the ground, or an
object, outside the correct court; or
d. The player returns the ball in play so that, before it bounces, it hits a
permanent fixture; or
e. The player deliberately carries or catches the ball in play on the racket
or deliberately touches it with the racket more than once; or
f. The player or the racket, whether in the player’s hand or not, or anything
which the player is wearing or carrying touches the net, net
posts/singles sticks, cord or metal cable, strap or band, or the opponent’s
court at any time while the ball is in play; or
g. The player hits the ball before it has passed the net; or
h. The ball in play touches the player or anything that the player is
wearing or carrying, except the racket; or
i. The ball in play touches the racket when the player is not holding it; or
j. The player deliberately and materially changes the shape of the racket
when the ball is in play; or
k. In doubles, both players touch the ball when returning it.

Case 1: After the server has served a first service, the racket falls out of
the server’s hand and touches the net before the ball has bounced. Is this a
service fault, or does the server lose the point?
Decision: The server loses the point because the racket touches the net
while the ball is in play.

Case 2: After the server has served a first service, the racket falls out of the
server’s hand and touches the net after the ball has bounced outside the correct
court. Is this a service fault, or does the server lose the point?
Decision. This is a service fault because when the racket touched the net
the ball was no longer in play.

Case 3. In a doubles match, the receiver’s partner touches the net before
the ball that has been served touches the ground outside the correct service
court. What is the correct decision?
Decision. The receiving team loses the point because the receiver’s partner
touched the net while the ball was in play.

Case 4: Does a player lose the point if an imaginary line in the extension of
the net is crossed before or after hitting the ball?
Decision: The player does not lose the point in either case provided the
player does not touch the opponent’s court.

Case 5. Is a player allowed to jump over the net into the opponent’s court
while the ball is in play?
Decision. No. The player loses the point.

Case 6. A player throws the racket at the ball in play. Both the racket and
the ball land in the court on the opponent’s side of the net and the opponent(s)
is unable to reach the ball. Which player wins the point?
Decision. The player who threw the racket at the ball loses the point.

Case 7. A ball that has just been served hits the receiver or in doubles the
receiver’s partner before it touches the ground. Which player wins the point?
Decision. The server wins the point, unless it is a service let.

Case 8. A player standing outside the court hits the ball or catches it before
it bounces and claims the point because the ball was definitely going out
of the correct court.
Decision. The player loses the point, unless it is a good return, in which
case the point continues.

QuietDaze · Aug 21, 2007

slicefox said:
Ok, got some scenarios here, tell me who gets the point if:

1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

3. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's foot/hand/body, while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?

4. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's RAQUET and bounces somewhere random (net, outside, blah), while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?
4.B. Does it matter if Player 2 intentionally touched the ball with his Racquet?

Thanks a ton guys. I would really appreciate all you help.

1. I think it's a fault. I could be wrong though, I thought on the serve, the ball has to land in the service box first.

2. Fault for same reason as #1.

3 & 4 - I think player #2 gets the point.

*now going to check the rules* lol

spot · Aug 21, 2007

I play on a couple courts where it is a huge pain in the ass to retreive a ball that goes over the fence- I always tell people in those matches that I am OK with them catching the ball before it bounces if it is clearly out.

mucat · Aug 21, 2007

QuietDaze said:
1. I think it's a fault. I could be wrong though, I thought on the serve, the ball has to land in the service box first.

2. Fault for same reason as #1.

3 & 4 - I think player #2 gets the point.

*now going to check the rules* lol

How the heck can you get all of them wrong?

predrag · Aug 21, 2007

Rickson said:
Originally Posted by slicefox
1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

Click to expand...

In club tennis, the server because I always volley back long balls, but in a real match, the receiver loses
[snip]

This is incorrect.

In TENNIS, you Rickson lose those points. If you touch the ball before it lands
out, the ball is not out.
I don't know about brazilian jiu jitsu

Regards, Predrag

Narcissist · Aug 21, 2007

slicefox said:
2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but instead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

How close are you standing to return serve to ever do this

r2473 · Aug 21, 2007

predrag said:
This is incorrect.

In TENNIS, you Rickson lose those points. If you touch the ball before it lands
out, the ball is not out.
I don't know about brazilian jiu jitsu

Regards, Predrag

That's funny. I play socially with a lot of people with the same attitude as you. Meaning, I will also catch the ball / hit the ball back before it lands, just to save myself the trouble of chasing it, speed up the match, or to not disrupt matches being played on other courts (if no fences / nets seperate the courts).

People will often react just as I perceive you do; they shout out in an excited manner that they won the point because I touched it before it bounced. What do I do? I always say "Point is yours" or something like that. Next time it happens, I do the same thing and say "your point". Some people continue to take the points. Some people say, "OK, that was clearly out". I usually don't care much.

In the end, when I play tennis socially, I don't play "lawyer ball". That is, I don't strictly interpret the rules so as to more or less "argue" points for myself. And, I don't mind people who do play "lawyer ball". I will give up those points 100% of the time.

predrag · Aug 21, 2007

r2473 said:
That's funny. I play socially with a lot of people with the same attitude as you. Meaning, I will also catch the ball / hit the ball back before it lands, just to save myself the trouble of chasing it, speed up the match, or to not disrupt matches being played on other courts (if no fences / nets seperate the courts).

People will often react just as I perceive you do; they shout out in an excited manner that they won the point because I touched it before it bounced. What do I do? I always say "Point is yours" or something like that. Next time it happens, I do the same thing and say "your point". Some people continue to take the points. Some people say, "OK, that was clearly out". I usually don't care much.

In the end, when I play tennis socially, I don't play "lawyer ball". That is, I don't strictly interpret the rules so as to more or less "argue" points for myself. And, I don't mind people who do play "lawyer ball". I will give up those points 100% of the time.

Now this is so called social tennis.
Meaning, people that are playing are really not playing tennis, just needed an
excuse to get out of the house and do something.

Clearly not my cup of tea.

Regards, Predrag

r2473 · Aug 21, 2007

predrag said:
Now this is so called social tennis.
Meaning, people that are playing are really not playing tennis, just needed an
excuse to get out of the house and do something.

Clearly not my cup of tea.

Regards, Predrag

We should play sometime :wink:

predrag · Aug 21, 2007

r2473 said:
We should play sometime :wink:

Sure, any time you are in Ann Arbor.

r2473 · Aug 21, 2007

predrag said:
Now this is so called social tennis.
Meaning, people that are playing are really not playing tennis, just needed an
excuse to get out of the house and do something.

Clearly not my cup of tea.

Regards, Predrag

In all seriousness to Predrag, I just don't argue when I play (not often anyway). If it is not a tournament (what I call social), I just give up the points and keep playing. If it is a tournament, I just calmly call for an official.

And no, I don't hit balls before they bounce out in a tournament (unless I know the guy and he doesn't mind).

QuietDaze · Aug 22, 2007

mucat said:
How the heck can you get all of them wrong?

LOL I only got 1/2 of them wrong, I meant to say for #3 and #4 that player 2 LOSES the point. I wasn't all that certain on #1 and #2 because I thought on the serve the ball had to actually land in the service box before it's in play.

predrag · Aug 22, 2007

r2473 said:
In all seriousness to Predrag, I just don't argue when I play (not often anyway). If it is not a tournament (what I call social), I just give up the points and keep playing. If it is a tournament, I just calmly call for an official.

And no, I don't hit balls before they bounce out in a tournament (unless I know the guy and he doesn't mind).

Well, I enjoy hitting practice.
Also enjoy playing competitive tennis, too. Don't even mind getting my rear kicked.
But if I am playing a set, then I am playing by the rules. Doing everything I
can to win, within the rules.
I am not going to claim the point if other guy calls the ball out and vollies it, but will ask him to let it bounce.

Regards, Predrag

mucat · Aug 22, 2007

QuietDaze said:
LOL I only got 1/2 of them wrong, I meant to say for #3 and #4 that player 2 LOSES the point. I wasn't all that certain on #1 and #2 because I thought on the serve the ball had to actually land in the service box before it's in play.

sure sure, there there...

bluestreak711 · Aug 23, 2007

slicefox said:
Ok, got some scenarios here, tell me who gets the point if:

1. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's foot/hand/body. Who loses the point?

2. Server serves a ball to the receiver, but in stead of landing in the correct box, it lands on the receiver's RACQUET, and then bounces somewhere in the net or out the side. Who loses the point?

3. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's foot/hand/body, while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?

4. During a rally, Player 1 hits the ball really hard and touches Player 2's RAQUET and bounces somewhere random (net, outside, blah), while Player 2's both feet are outside the court. Who loses the point?
4.B. Does it matter if Player 2 intentionally touched the ball with his Racquet?

Thanks a ton guys. I would really appreciate all you help.

for questions 1 and 2 ...

he serve must go in the correct service box or else it is a fault, if you double fault you forfeit the point...remember the point can't start until the serve lands in

for questions 3 and 4.....

first of all it does not matter where the players stand it only matters if the ball lands in or out...for instance the first player who is unable to land the ball back into play loses the point

and if the ball makes contact with you anywhere on your body you lose the point no matter of the situation

here are something i would like to add if any player touches the net anytime during the point that player forfeits the point

slicefox · Aug 23, 2007

The rules say that if the ball touches any outside object before hitting the ground, the player looses the point. I'm wondering if a racket is considered an "object", because in that case, if the racket is outside the court when it touches to ball, it will be a win.

A little help with the rules please!!! :)

Banned

Rookie

Legend

G.O.A.T.

Banned

Semi-Pro

Professional

New User

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

Banned

Rookie

Hall of Fame

Hall of Fame

Professional

Semi-Pro

G.O.A.T.

Professional

G.O.A.T.

Professional

G.O.A.T.

Rookie

Professional

Hall of Fame

Rookie

Banned

Similar threads