Mmm, I didn't make your point. In football every competition, usually has different kind of balls. Oh, and every player can use the football shoes they want. So not everybody uses the same equipment. If a player is accostumed to playing in the italian league, and another is accostumed to playing in the spanish league, and the champions league ball is more similar to the spanish league ball than to the italian, will the italian player moan about an unfair advantage? No, he'll adapt, because that's what being a good player means, adapting to the circumstances. You fail, hard.
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Mmm, I didn't make your point. In football every competition, usually has different kind of balls. Oh, and every player can use the football shoes they want. So not everybody uses the same equipment. If a player is accostumed to playing in the italian league, and another is accostumed to playing in the spanish league, and the champions league ball is more similar to the spanish league ball than to the italian, will the italian player moan about an unfair advantage? No, he'll adapt, because that's what being a good player means, adapting to the circumstances. You fail, hard.
Bud
Bionic Poster
All players have the option of playing with whatever racquet they choose :wink:
If there truly is a superior super-racquet available everybody would be using it. There is no Holy Grail... even at the ATP/WTA level.
<3tennis!!!
Semi-Pro
ever heard of past their prime???????
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yeah, sure, the soccer balls used by the Italian league and by the Spanish league are as different as a wood tennis racquet is from the Babolat APD? Yeah, right. Tell me another one. :-?
More like the difference between a Wilson tennis ball and a Penn tennis ball.
Besides, whether it's a soccer ball or a tennis ball, ALL the players on the court/field are using the SAME ball at the SAME time. You don't have one team using a 90 inch ball and the other team using a 100 inch ball at the SAME time in the SAME game!
P_Agony
Banned
um did i mention that????? rofl nice way to twist things around. it was medically proven he was suffering from mono during AO 2008 but yeah i guess its just an excuse. anyone can play to their full potential with mono right
You're trying to argue with the biggest hypocrite in this forum:
When Federer losses - mono, bad back, etc. are simply excuses by desperate Federer fans.
When Djokovic losses - heat, injuries, sickness are the reasons for that, as Djokovic cannot be outplayed.
When Federer losses he complains Federer fans cannot give credit to his opponents, cannot admit he was outplayed, cannot admit that he played in a weak era and is just a lucky Britney Spears clone.
When Roddick spanks Djokovic twice in a row, he just attacks anyone who dares to say Roddick is a good player, gives NO CREDIT whatsoever to Roddick (Roddick is just a recent example, there are many others), argues that even comparing Roddick to the mighty Djokovic is a joke, and stuff like that.
This guy complains about a lot of stuff, all of which he's doing himself. He complains about trolling, yet he's the biggest troll here and trolls in every thread there is. He complains no credit is ever given to Djokovic, and yet all the credit he's giving Federer is comparing him to Britney Spears. He complaints the roof wasn't closed in the match Djokovic lost in the AO, and yet he calls mono and bad back mere excuses.
I have stayed quiet for too long but I just can't read his crap anymore.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Which is why standardization is needed.
That's the problem, everyone IS using it. You don't see anyone on the pro tour using a wood racquet anymore, do you? And just about all the ATP pros use poly strings. So when and where does it stop? It's the same reason why we have so many huge SUV's hogging the roads. Everyone wants to have a bigger car to protect themselves in case they get hit by a big SUV, so people just keep buying bigger and bigger SUV's so that theirs is bigger than the other guy's. Now look where we are.
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I'm sure Nadal would lend fed his spare babolat if he asked nicely.
Yeah, sure, the soccer balls used by the Italian league and by the Spanish league are as different as a wood tennis racquet is from the Babolat APD? Yeah, right. Tell me another one. :-?
More like the difference between a Wilson tennis ball and a Penn tennis ball.
Besides, whether it's a soccer ball or a tennis ball, ALL the players on the court/field are using the SAME ball at the SAME time. You don't have one team using a 90 inch ball and the other team using a 100 inch ball at the SAME time in the SAME game!
Yeah, sure, the soccer balls used by the Italian league and by the Spanish league are as different as a wood tennis racquet is from the Babolat APD? Yeah, right. Tell me another one. :-?
More like the difference between a Wilson tennis ball and a Penn tennis ball.
Besides, whether it's a soccer ball or a tennis ball, ALL the players on the court/field are using the SAME ball at the SAME time. You don't have one team using a 90 inch ball and the other team using a 100 inch ball at the SAME time in the SAME game!
You obviously have never played football if you think two balls don't make a difference in play.
To the bolded part, you make it very easy to respond: every player in the pitch uses different football boots (which comparing football to tennis, would be like the racquet). Of course you probably think that different boots are the same in football too, lol. Just more proof of your (inexistent) intelligence.
Edit: oops I wrote shoots instead of boots lol.
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Pirao said:
That's the problem, everyone IS using it. You don't see anyone on the pro tour using a wood racquet anymore, do you? And just about all the ATP pros use poly strings. So when and where does it stop? It's the same reason why we have so many huge SUV's hogging the roads. Everyone wants to have a bigger car to protect themselves in case they get hit by a big SUV, so people just keep buying bigger and bigger SUV's so that theirs is bigger than the other guy's. Now look where we are.
Uh, hu, I haven't written that (although it's a comment I agree with), you better watch out you don't get banned for changing my messages
.the insult at the end is totally uncalled for.
but the rest of the post is sound. the footballs have been changed every season or so, and now they are lighter than ever, and dip and move in a bizarre way that's a nightmare for keepers facing long shots. competition to competition they differ- players don't like it, but, as with the balls in tennis, it's identical for each player and team so they have no choice but to adapt.
the boots are vital, and they are far more similar to the racquets than the ball is- you have to find the right ones for you, they have to be a good fit, you can customise them within reason, there are different studs, moulds etc, and some favour spin and touch while others offer more support and are sturdier. the defenders may choose the latter and the attackers the former, to suit their game. so everyone is actually using different equipment at the same time, as in tennis.
BreakPoint, your argument about wooden racquets is nonsensical. It's like you've lost the argument and then gone *well what about X* to draw attention away from it. The game has changed, but every player has access to the same equipment. Sure, some may have grown up on poly, unlike others, but there is no player out there using something that the others don't have access to, if they desire to use it.
Yeah maybe I shouldn't have added the insult, I did it because of posts like this:
After I told him that he doesn't know what Nadal can or cannot do with a wooden tennis racquet just because he (refering to BP) has played with one, he responded with this:
Thank you for recognizing that I'm a very knowledgeable person, unlike most on this board.
There's no way Nadal could generate the same racquet head speed with a heavy 14 oz. wood racquet. There's no way he could produce the same amount of topspin with his angle of attack and Western grip using something with such a small stringbed width. There's no way he can spin the ball like that without his poly strings and open string pattern. He would have to change to an Eastern grip and swing slowly and hit almost flat. If he didn't, he would shank almost every ball with his current reverse forehand. Those are the facts.
Take the ability to produce massive topspin away from Nadal and what do you have left?
In a single post he managed to insult most of the people on the forum. For a guy who thinks he's knowledgeable, he seems pretty stupid to me.
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Richie Rich
Legend
atp has rules in place regulating headsize and length of racquets.
and if, hypothetically, there is a move toward standardization, why choose wood? why not make everyone play with a aeropro drive? or a prestige mid? or a prince graphite O/S?
The sport of tennis was created for doubles. Singles lines came later. So we should not play singles.
In the early days of tennis, etiquette demanded that the serve should be used only to put the ball in play. So fast servers should be banned.
fair enough, but what can ya do y'know?
Nothing, I guess
perhaps forumites should volunteer their real names- then the more trollish types would have a personal stake in what they write, rather than hiding behind anonymity and running around the internet prodding people to try and grab their attention.
Well if everyone is using it, then that's a form of standardization isn't it?
Richie Rich
Legend
not in fantasy land. wonder what's next - we've covered tennis racquets, tennis balls, soccer balls, SUV's. guess we'll see when the shift at Mcdonald's is over.
gj011
Banned
This ridiculous troll is again polluting yet another thread with his delusions and lies. He is still in shock after Djokovic, whom he hates with unreasonable passion, schooled his fallen idol twice recently, and should not be taken seriously. To prove his lost causes he resorts to shameless lies and trolling. Just sad and pathetic.
All I can say is, thank god Nadal switched to polo shirts before BP realized that sleeveless shirts increase bat speed due to their aero dynamic properties.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
But that's just it, the equipment today is not the same. There are vast differences in the equipment today. A K90 is very different from an APD, and natural gut strings are very different from poly strings. I think ALL players should ONLY have access to the SAME equipment. Just like back when everyone only had access to wood racquets (which were all around the same size, weight, string pattern, etc., and played similarly) and natural gut strings. All the players on the court were on a level playing field as far as equipment was concerned. You won because you were the superior player, NOT because you were using superior equipment.
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
so he's trolling by telling the truth? you do say crap like that all the time..
if federer wins you bash him for it, but when djokovic retired last year in Monte Carlor with a sore throat i'm sure your excuse for it was gold. but that's the fact, you could hear him tell Federer he had a sore throat and couldn't continue. what kind of a wimp is he? a friggin sore throat and so now he can't play a semifinal match to it's conclusion? i guess djokovic doesn't like getting spanked too much, does he?
need i remind you that federer's recent loss at Rome came after federer was on the verge of winning ? he was up a break in both the second and third sets, and then strangely let his level of play drop. djokovic could not have won had federer been focused on the match, mainly because djokovic is not federer's match on all surfaces. he may be able to give federer a run for his money, but the fact is, that at the slam level, where it REALLY counts, djokovic has never beaten a healthy federer. the USO last year was a good example. djokovic had obviously worked his way back into the match after winning the second set, but his own inability to keep his level of play high enough was what caused him to lose the match.
At the AO 2008, if you ACTUALLY watch the match, you'd notice that djokovic had to work very, very hard to get the first set under his belt, while federer couldn't seem to get out of fourth gear and into fifth, for reasons later found to be Mono. federer's level at the USO semi was significantly higher than at the AO, and closer to his level played in the final the year before there (i'll give djokovic credit in that match, he played extremely well and still unfortunately choked when it was crunch time). djokovic stepped it up himself, but simply put federer raised it to fifth gear, and djokovic couldn't follow.
if they meet in the semi's at the French, i will say that i pick federer to be the favorite. he still is a major contender at the slams, and at every single one is either the favorite or the second pick to win. he just knows how to turn it up a notch there, and it's unfortunate that nadal's game has so much it can do against federer's, that he doesn't win matches against nadal. but i doubt he loses sleep over playing Djokovic in a match at the slam level.
will you still be passing this garbage about djokovic being the best ever if he falls out of the top 20? if that happens, i will probably enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What's "stupid" is thinking that Nadal's game would not be affected if he switched to a wood racquet.
That's what makes me knowledgeable and people who think Nadal will still play the same with a wood racquet, not knowledgeable. Anyone who has not used wood racquets for a long time cannot be that knowledgeable on what you can and cannot do with a wood racquet.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Because wood is the standard. It's been used for over 100 years. It is still called "Standard" size (as opposed to "Midsize", "Mid Plus", "Oversize", etc.)
Wood also minimizes most the possibility of your racquet enhancing your shots in any way. It is all natural. It is all YOU when you hit the ball. There's nothing high-tech or artificial making your shot better than it naturally is. It's the same reason why baseball and cricket have standardized on wooden bats and not ones using some high-tech materials.
Of course, you conveniently ignore this post. Not a surprise, since you got owned, hard.
Speaking of cricket
Here is a quote from a reputed English manufacturer of cricket bats:
"Some international cricketers actually use the cricket bats their sponsoring company makes for them and we applaud those that do use the actual cricket bats they are paid to use."
Sounds familiar?
Also, it seems prior to Dennis Lillee playing with an aluminum bat dubbed "the combat bat" there were no regulations for the material. Since then, the rules were changed to require only wood to be used, except for 10-20% other materials for cushioning in the handle.
Here is a quote from a reputed English manufacturer of cricket bats:
"Some international cricketers actually use the cricket bats their sponsoring company makes for them and we applaud those that do use the actual cricket bats they are paid to use."
Sounds familiar?
Also, it seems prior to Dennis Lillee playing with an aluminum bat dubbed "the combat bat" there were no regulations for the material. Since then, the rules were changed to require only wood to be used, except for 10-20% other materials for cushioning in the handle.
Richie Rich
Legend
now it's cricket bats and baseball bats. anything else you want to scrounge around for?
gj011
Banned
This all coming from poster who claimed point blank that Djokovic never beat Federer on GS.
Federer_pilon
Professional
oh and don't forget underwear. They should standardize underwear too so that all the players on the court are on a level playing field as far as underwear is concerned. You won because you are the superior player, NOT because you wear superior underwear.
Nadal is surely at a disadvantage there given the wedgies his underwear gives him. If Federer had to wear the same underwear as Nadal, he wouldn't be anywhere in the Top 100 or even Top 1000 as a result of the huge level of discomfort caused by the wedgies.
You are wrong. The discomfort will be because Nadal's undies will be too loose for Federer as Nadal is better endowed all over.
Federer_pilon
Professional
hahaha...ok...no comments
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Well, let's go back even farther. What if Fed had to play Rotterdam in wooden shoes? How well would he do? Not so good, I bet. Just imagine those annoyed old time Dutch greats looking at a whippersnapper like Fed running around in synthetic shoes.
Richie Rich
Legend
should make players play in bare feet, or stan smiths only. since different shoes can give an unfair advantage.
Why the obsession with wood rackets? You really should get over them. They are gone, done, finished with. They are NEVER coming back.
If Roger did not have the option to use an apd I would be sympathetic to your position. But millions of tennis fans and players have accepted today's tennis equipment. Each player chooses the equipment s/he is most comfortable with and confident in.
Your assumption that Roger would be more sucessful than Nadal if they both used wood rackets is just that. AN ASSUMPTION. You seem to be unwilling to recognize they were schooled in different tennis techniques. Roger was trained in the classic one handed back hand. Nadal in the modern two handed back hand.
Life is a quest to improve. It is manifested in our daily living, our sporting events and wars. There is a reason wars are no longer fought with bows and arrows.
If Roger is unable or UNWILLING to adapt to a more powerful racket and strings it is on him. It is not a reason to belittle Nadal or anyone else.
By the way. Many people I have spoken with that used wood and modern rackets claim that the incidence of 'tennis elbow' has been greatly reduced by the change to modern rackets. Granted a small sample.
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
I'd pay good money to see the barefoot/barehanded match.
P_Agony
Banned
The only thing sad and pathetic in this entire forum is you. Your whole line of defense is gone because you cannot control your posts, your lies, your trolling and most of all, your hypocrisy. With each day that passes more and more posters are understanding who you are and what you post.
You do everything you cliam to be against, and you don't even acknowledge it. You consider everyone who doesn't agree with you a troll, and everyone who does a great poster. You lie about posts consistently, you attack posters for no reason, despite you posting the most offensive posts in here.
You make both *******s and *******s look like angles.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I ignored it because it makes no sense! There is only one ball being used at the same time in the same soccer game. Both teams are kicking the SAME ball. Just like in tennis both players are hitting the SAME ball. There are lots of differences between a Dunlop tennis ball and a Wilson tennis ball, but because both players are using the SAME ball during a match, it's irrelevant. Are Nadal and Federer using the SAME racquet and the SAME strings in a match? No!!! Are they using the SAME tennis ball? Yes!!!!
Hahahahahaha, all the while you ignore the point I made about the boots! OMG you truly are a troll :lol:.
Richie Rich
Legend
probably wouldn't be too much fun. but would be interesting
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You're not reading are you? I've mentioned baseball and cricket bats numerous times already in this thread.
You asked why wood? I just explained it!
Another non-intelligent post from you. Typical. :-?
So in both sports, everyone is using the same ball but manipulating it with different equipment (different racquets or boots). What is the difference?
The difference is that the boots are not wooden, hence they are not worthy, duh.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And when did anyone here claim that wooden shoes wouldn't affect Federer's play?
Some people here think that Nadal would still win with a wood racquet and that his level of play has nothing to do with his modern racquet and modern strings.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Which is exactly why Federer would play better with a wood racquet than Nadal would be able to. The K90 he uses now is much closer to a wood racquet than Nadal's APD is. Quite simple really.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Aren't Federer and Nadal wearing different "boots"? Is Nadal's boot as different in performance from Federer's boot as a wood racquet is different in performance from an APD strung with poly?
Nobody cares about boots! But I agree that for tennis they should be standardized. But no matter what boots you wear, it's not going to generate huge topspin shots for you.