Federer_pilon
Professional
And why is this even relevant to modern tennis? Wood racquets are dead and buried...
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And why is this even relevant to modern tennis? Wood racquets are dead and buried...
Federer_pilon
Professional
Nobody cares about boots! But I agree that for tennis they should be standardized. But no matter what boots you wear, it's not going to generate huge topspin shots for you.
Movement on the court is a more important aspect of the game than the amount of topspin you can generate....
Aren't Federer and Nadal wearing different "boots"? Is Nadal's boot as different in performance from Federer's boot as a wood racquet is different in performance from an APD strung with poly?
Nobody cares about boots! But I agree that for tennis they should be standardized. But no matter what boots you wear, it's not going to generate huge topspin shots for you.
Lol, trying to divert attention I see. Just more proof that I owned you (or that your reading comprehension is lacking, whatever you prefer).
I'll post the original post again so everybody can see your failure:
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then they should standardize boots for soccer if some actually allow you to put more spin on the ball or kick it with much greater velocity.
Look, I don't care about soccer. There's a very good reason why it's not popular in the U.S. and you almost never see it on network TV.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Agreed, but the last time I checked, both Federer and Nadal moved pretty well on the court. Do you think their shoes are all that different that it affects their movement?
BreakPoint, are you suggesting Nadal is at an advantage because of his equipment? If so, can you suggest why Federer has not switched to Nadal's equipment? also, what on earth have wooden racquets got to do with anything? pros haven't used wooden racquets for decades.
i am also of the opinion that if federer and nadal played with wooden racquets, say in mid-2008, federer would win. but it is just an opinion. i support it with assertions that federer relies more on timing and feel than nadal, who relies on spin and power, and that he would have an easier time with his single hander than nadal with his double hander. but that is as far as i can go. shouting, as you do, over and over again, does nothing to enhance your argument. you can't shout your way to victory. because it's not a debate that can be won.
i am also of the opinion that if federer and nadal played with wooden racquets, say in mid-2008, federer would win. but it is just an opinion. i support it with assertions that federer relies more on timing and feel than nadal, who relies on spin and power, and that he would have an easier time with his single hander than nadal with his double hander. but that is as far as i can go. shouting, as you do, over and over again, does nothing to enhance your argument. you can't shout your way to victory. because it's not a debate that can be won.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Because some clueless people here claim that Nadal's modern racquet and poly strings have nothing to do with his ability to play the game that he does. They believe that he would play exactly the same with a wood racquet. These are the same people who think Nadal can cure cancer and achieve eternal peace in the Middle East. :shock:
and what reason might that be? *soccer* is the most popular sport in the world. the reason it's not popular in the US is that the US players aren't very good, and the US *soccer* team isn't very good. Americans like to watch Americans do well at sports, that's why men's tennis has taken a hit since Sampras and Agassi but the Williams sisters still pack em in. it's why, with the exception of basketball, where you have a talent monopoly anyway, your biggest sports are ones that no-one else plays.
you can't bring up an argument based on *soccer* and then discard it because you're losing the debate, and think people won't notice.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I'm suggesting that Nadal's modern racquet and modern strings enable him to play the dominating game that he does and that he would not be able to do the same with a wood racquet. OTOH, Federer would still be able to play a similar game with a wood racquet because the K90 is already much closer to a wood racquet than the APD is.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Huh? When did I bring up soccer? It was Pirao that kept bringing up soccer (football in his language) and I tried to avoid the topic because I don't care about soccer!
Oh, and soccer is not as popular in the U.S. because many American's find it boring. Americans prefer to see more action, more scoring, more variety, more physicality, etc. It's not on TV as much because it's hard to put in the commercial breaks. Not being on TV much does not help its popularity. Most people prefer watching football over soccer.
Yes, you didn't bring up soccer, I brought it up along with swimming to illustrate the fact that sports change and evolve, a fact you clearly try to understand. Then you posted this:
Saying that I made your point, when in fact what I did was own you royally afterwards. Now you say that you tried to avoid soccer, when in fact you tried to use it to say you were right (lying again, not nice
).So I'll say it again, to see if it gets through you thick skull this time: sports change and evolve, deal with it.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And what did I say about soccer? I immediately related it to tennis and changed the subject back to tennis. All I said about soccer is that the same ball is used in the same game.Yes, you didn't bring up soccer, I brought it up along with swimming to illustrate the fact that sports change and evolve, a fact you clearly try to understand. Then you posted this:
Saying that I made your point, when in fact what I did was own you royally afterwards. Now you say that you tried to avoid soccer, when in fact you tried to use it to say you were right (lying again, not nice
So I'll say it again, to see if it gets through you thick skull this time: sports change and evolve, deal with it.
Then you kept hounding me to respond to your dumb unrelated posts about soccer shoes. It's obvious that the type of racquet you choose will affect your game more than than the shoes you wear. I use the same racquet when I play but I rotate between 20 different pairs of tennis shoes when I play because my shoes don't affect my game nearly as much as my racquet does.
Richie Rich
Legend
just trying to make sure i dumb down my responses to your intellect level. obviously i have further to go.
Bud
Bionic Poster
And what did I say about soccer? I immediately related it to tennis and changed the subject back to tennis. All I said about soccer is that the same ball is used in the same game.
Then you kept hounding me to respond to your dumb unrelated posts about soccer shoes. It's obvious that the type of racquet you choose will affect your game more than than the shoes you wear. I use the same racquet when I play but I rotate between 20 different pairs of tennis shoes when I play because my shoes don't affect my game nearly as much as my racquet does.
Lol, again trying to divert attention and saying you tried to avoid soccer.
Yes, you sure were trying to avoid it :lol:. I win, you lose.
this all has very little to do with the original point. i now understand what you do. you bring up point after unrelated point in order to get into discussion and/or argument with people on the internet. i am finishing a uni degree this week, this forum is good relief when people genuinely want to share opinions, but i have more important ways to spend my time than talk with people who are just trying to spin out contact in cyberspace. goodbye.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Believe me, you don't have to try. It comes naturally to you.
Richie Rich
Legend
Believe me, you don't have to try. It comes naturally to you.
but yet you are still having trouble. it's going to be tough to dumb things down so you get it. really tough.
why are you so extra bitter today? 15 yr old manager yell at you for putting too much salt on the fries or something?
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LOL he is a rich retired guy who does not need to work but just plays tennis all day long. One day you will wish you were like him.
Uncalled for.
wilsondude
Banned
I think its this guys time of the month..
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
Where are you located that can get Aljazeera channels?
asafi2
Rookie
"[Roger Federer] is not the world's top-ranked player, but he is, by consensus, it's most gifted. ... he is the players' player, the subject of glowing peer critiques. Retired champions and traditionalists adore his one-handed backhand and versatile, all-court style; rivals acknowledge his rare talent and instinctive feel ... in Federer's soft hands, tennis, rather than soccer, could as well be called the beautiful game." - Linda Pearce, The Age
people are going to jump down your throat because this is published opinion, rather than *evidence*. hope you ride it out, good luck. my own opinion is that i can see a greater lineage from laver to federer than i can to nadal. he certainly has a more traditional style, and embodies many of the qualities of the game- movement, timing, touch- in a more traditional manner. the longstanding purist, the one who has watched the game for 40 years, would recognise in federer an extreme high-point of some of the most cherished aesthetic values of the game.