Rafa "Muster" Nadal can't handle Serve and Volley

tennis-hero · May 13, 2009

Muster couldn't handle S&V

we all know how much Nadal bases his game on Musters, but with "apparently" better passing shots

although on recent evidence it has to be pointed out that anyone with good net awareness would be at an advantage against Nadal

Tsonga and Blake have shown this in the past

Muster had 2 things going against him, he wqasn't consistent and he was up against the kings of S&V

Nadal has the consistency that Muster didn't have, but he incredibly lucky to be playing in an era where volley is a long forgotten art

Muster was a tougher fighter then Nadal, on par with Hewitt who is certainly superior to Nadal in fighting spirit

no one will match the Sampras fighting spirit but Muster was close.

how lucky should Rafa feel knowing that he won't have to face Sampras

because watching Rafa at the Madrid masters, and watching S&V own him EVEN ON CLAY

i have to say

Sampras could beat Rafa on clay

Bud · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
Muster couldn't handle S&V

we all know how much Nadal bases his game on Musters, but with "apparently" better passing shots

although on recent evidence it has to be pointed out that anyone with good net awareness would be at an advantage against Nadal

Tsonga and Blake have shown this in the past

Muster had 2 things going against him, he wqasn't consistent and he was up against the kings of S&V

Nadal has the consistency that Muster didn't have, but he incredibly lucky to be playing in an era where volley is a long forgotten art

Muster was a tougher fighter then Nadal, on par with Hewitt who is certainly superior to Nadal in fighting spirit

no one will match the Sampras fighting spirit but Muster was close.

how lucky should Rafa feel knowing that he won't have to face Sampras

because watching Rafa at the Madrid masters, and watching S&V own him EVEN ON CLAY

i have to say

Sampras could beat Rafa on clay

Melzer was destroyed today trying S&V tactics against Nadal

Nadal d. Melzer 6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes

tennis-hero · May 13, 2009

Bud said:
Melzer was destroyed today trying S&V tactics against Nadal.

I think you need to watch that match again

Metzer had Rafa on the ropes with S&V in the 1st set

when someone like MEtzer can own Rafa with S&V ON CLAY

then you know the clay era is WEEEEEEEEEEEEAK

and also

Sampras would own Rafa on clay

Bud · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
I think you need to watch that match again

Metzer had Rafa on the ropes with S&V in the 1st set

when someone like MEtzer can own Rafa with S&V ON CLAY

then you know the clay era is WEEEEEEEEEEEEAK

and also

Sampras would own Rafa on clay

6-3, 6-1

BorisBeckerFan · May 13, 2009

Nadal's fighting spirit has already surpassed Muster's and Hewitt's. If he can keep this up it will be up there with Sampras.

tennis-hero · May 13, 2009

Bud said:
6-3, 6-1

heres a pro-tip

the final score doesn't always reveal what happened in a match

Wimbledon 2007

Rafa had some major chances in the 5th but look at the score and you'd think the 5th set was one way traffic

so next time- Think before you drink

also, if you had watched the match, you would have seen what S&V was doing to Nadal

Zaragoza · May 13, 2009

Keep starting stupid threads like these, please. Everyday. So you get banned as soon as possible.

tennis-hero · May 13, 2009

Zaragoza said:
Keep starting stupid threads like these, please. Everyday. So you get banned as soon as possible.

actually this a perfectly fair and unbiased analysis of Nadal's strengths and weaknesses

i know you Nadal police wont anyone to say anything that criticises him but i have my right

I was being honest, i see a fault in his game, similar to Nadal's mentor Thomas muster

>.>

<.<

GameSampras · May 13, 2009

Bud said:
Melzer was destroyed today trying S&V tactics against Nadal

Nadal d. Melzer 6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes

LOL.. Who? Melzer?

Bud · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
heres a pro-tip

the final score doesn't always reveal what happened in a match

Wimbledon 2007

Rafa had some major chances in the 5th but look at the score and you'd think the 5th set was one way traffic

so next time- Think before you drink

also, if you had watched the match, you would have seen what S&V was doing to Nadal

When you combine the score with the length of the match that pretty much tells the whole story.

6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes

maverick66 · May 13, 2009

GameSampras said:
LOL.. Who? Melzer?

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/default.asp?playernumber=M762

seems hes top 30 i would say hes pretty good. there are guys playing solid tennis outside of the big 4.

GameSampras · May 13, 2009

maverick66 said:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/default.asp?playernumber=M762

seems hes top 30 i would say hes pretty good. there are guys playing solid tennis outside of the big 4.

Top 30? I never even heard of the guy. Whats this guy doing trying to serve-volley against Nadal on clay for? Something tells me he isnt Edberg

maverick66 · May 13, 2009

well if you watched tennis you would hear of him. instead you just come in and make a baseless statement. Hes a good player and last time i checked trying to grind it out with nadal on the red stuff fails pretty hard.

Chadwixx · May 13, 2009

GameSampras said:
Top 30? I never even heard of the guy. Whats this guy doing trying to serve-volley against Nadal on clay for? Something tells me he isnt Edberg

He's the guy with a 2-1 record vs agassi

JoshDragon · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
I think you need to watch that match again

Metzer had Rafa on the ropes with S&V in the 1st set

when someone like MEtzer can own Rafa with S&V ON CLAY

then you know the clay era is WEEEEEEEEEEEEAK

and also

Sampras would own Rafa on clay

This thread is a joke. Sampras would own Rafa, on clay?! That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard on this forum. Sampras, never even made the finals at Roland Garros and was beaten by guys who used the same strategy as Nadal only Nadal does it much better.

Pete lost to the great Gilbert Schaller in the first round of the 1995 French Open. Everyone knows what a well known player Schaller was.

Also, Nadal was not on the ropes in his match. Even the ATP website said that he made it through with ease.

This thread is a ridiculous.

benasp · May 13, 2009

- How many french open had sampras won?
- 0 but he would crush nadal on clay
- and loose to a nobody in the next round ?

yeah right

tacou · May 13, 2009

omg.

I've never seen a thread like this.

genius!

no wonder everyone S&Vs against Nadal, what with his passing shots being so weak..

tacou · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
actually this a perfectly fair and unbiased analysis of Nadal's strengths and weaknesses

i know you Nadal police wont anyone to say anything that criticises him but i have my right

I was being honest, i see a fault in his game, similar to Nadal's mentor Thomas muster

>.>

<.<

fair and unbiased?? claiming PETE SAMPRAS could be Nadal on clay warrants you a swift kick in the pants.

Deleted member 3771 · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
I think you need to watch that match again

Metzer had Rafa on the ropes with S&V in the 1st set

when someone like MEtzer can own Rafa with S&V ON CLAY

then you know the clay era is WEEEEEEEEEEEEAK

and also

Sampras would own Rafa on clay

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

tacou · May 13, 2009

seriously this thread is upsetting me, take it away

raiden031 · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
Sampras would own Rafa on clay

You lost all credibility after that statement. How can Sampras own Nadal on clay when he can't even own mediocre players on clay during his era? Are you saying that Nadal wouldn't even be considered a good claycourter during Sampras' era?

oscar_2424 · May 13, 2009

Nadal can beat sampras on clay with his eyes closed.

BreakPoint · May 13, 2009

Bud said:
When you combine the score with the length of the match that pretty much tells the whole story.

6-3, 6-1 in 61 minutes

Actually, it doesn't since serve and volley points end on one or two shots so matches are much shorter than when each point is a 20 stroke baseline rally.

Nadal had few answers when Meltzer his all of those beautiful drop volleys.

BreakPoint · May 13, 2009

oscar_2424 said:
Nadal can beat sampras on clay with his eyes closed.

I'd bet a million dollars that he couldn't.

Should you or should I bring the blindfold?

BreakPoint · May 13, 2009

raiden031 said:
You lost all credibility after that statement. How can Sampras own Nadal on clay when he can't even own mediocre players on clay during his era? Are you saying that Nadal wouldn't even be considered a good claycourter during Sampras' era?

Sampras only beat great claycourters and French Open champions like Courier and Muster at the French Open. :shock:

maverick66 · May 13, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Nadal had few answers when Meltzer his all of those beautiful drop volleys.

cause he clearly hit enough to win:-?

and mulitquote is your friend dont be scared to use it.

slicefox · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
heres a pro-tip

the final score doesn't always reveal what happened in a match

Wimbledon 2007

Rafa had some major chances in the 5th but look at the score and you'd think the 5th set was one way traffic

so next time- Think before you drink

also, if you had watched the match, you would have seen what S&V was doing to Nadal

First time I see a post on these boards from someone who actually UNDERSTANDS tennis. First person I've met on the boards with a triple-digit IQ.

Congrats bro, you are Newton reborn compared to the rest of people (who have arguments like "6-3 6-1").

Indeed, a weak SV player gave nadal trouble. Imagine what a well-trained Serve and Volleyer could do to him. I predict nadal's fall will be to a serve & volley player. The art will come back, it is forced to come back.

slicefox · May 13, 2009

raiden031 said:
You lost all credibility after that statement. How can Sampras own Nadal on clay when he can't even own mediocre players on clay during his era? Are you saying that Nadal wouldn't even be considered a good claycourter during Sampras' era?

Yes, that's exactly what we are saying. Nadal in the 90's would get owned on every surface, including water and moon sand.

Too bad you were just a kid in the 90s so you will never truly understand.

vndesu · May 13, 2009

slicefox said:
Yes, that's exactly what we are saying. Nadal in the 90's would get owned on every surface, including water and moon sand.

Too bad you were just a kid in the 90s so you will never truly understand.

imagine with the racquet technology too, mainly pros in the 90's were using mid sized where others like chang or agassi used os.

Pirao · May 13, 2009

Oh yes, Sampras and Edberg would own Nadal on clay, look at all those FOs they have combined: 0. Impressive numbers, Nadal would stand no chance :lol:

Nadal_Freak · May 13, 2009

You know tennis-hero is a troll when even Fed fans are annoyed by him. lol

Bud · May 13, 2009

BreakPoint said:
Actually, it doesn't since serve and volley points end on one or two shots so matches are much shorter than when each point is a 20 stroke baseline rally.

Nadal had few answers when Meltzer his all of those beautiful drop volleys.

After the first 3 games... didn't Nadal adjust and then steamroll Melzer... running off almost 12 straight games... breaking serve 4 times along the way?

I'd like to find a copy of this match... so as to learn how to destroy and dispatch a S&V player, pronto

Pirao · May 13, 2009

Bud said:
After the first 3 games... didn't Nadal adjust and then runoff almost 12 straight games... breaking serve 4 times?

I'd like to find a copy of this match... so as to learn how to destroy and dispatch a S&V player, pronto

Are you crazy? BP doesn't let simple facts get in the way of his opinions :mrgreen:.

OTMPut · May 13, 2009

It could have been closer. Melzer did not serve as well he did in his previous match.

abmk · May 13, 2009

LOL @ the thread

slicefox · May 13, 2009

Pirao said:
Oh yes, Sampras and Edberg would own Nadal on clay, look at all those FOs they have combined: 0. Impressive numbers, Nadal would stand no chance :lol:

your argument = zero sense

FO players back then were adjusted to S&V. Nadal is not. That's the point of this thread.

Noveson · May 13, 2009

maverick66 said:
cause he clearly hit enough to win:-?

and mulitquote is your friend dont be scared to use it.

Leave him alone, he needs to keep up his 30 post a day average

Anyway it is ridiculous to say ANYBODY who has not won a french open title would "own" possibly the greatest claycourter to ever play the game on clay.

Pirao · May 13, 2009

slicefox said:
your argument = zero sense

FO players back then were adjusted to S&V. Nadal is not. That's the point of this thread.

Oh, yes, this arguments makes so much sense. The players of the 90's would get steamrolled in every surface because they are not adjusted to Nadal's game, suck it :twisted:. See, I can say stupid sh*t too.

The-Champ · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
because watching Rafa at the Madrid masters, and watching S&V own him EVEN ON CLAY

i have to say

Sampras could beat Rafa on clay

Congratulations for posting probably the dumbest argument ever.

Here let me show you one of mine:

Because Santoro destroyed Samrpas 6-1 6-1 at the Monte Carlo Masters once, imagine what Bahrami would've done to Sampras.

King_roger · May 13, 2009

GameSampras said:
Top 30? I never even heard of the guy.

What??? :shock::shock:
Sorry, but that's a little bit embarrassing. IMO
I mean he's No. 1 of Austria and No. 27 ATP....

BTW: Jürgen could do much better, even against Rafa, but it's a mental problem....

thalivest · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
Sampras could beat Rafa on clay

You are right. Rafa after all lacks the superior weapons and mental toughness of such clay court legends as Magnus Larsson, Gilbert Schaller, Paul Haarhuis, Jacco Eltingh, Olivier Gross, Thierry Champion, Gabriel Markus, Carl-Uwe Steeb, Mark Philippoussis, Karol Novacek, Arnaud Di Pasquale, Fabrice Santoro, Fernando Meligini, Roman Delgado, and many others.

Gen · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
Muster couldn't handle S&V

we all know how much Nadal bases his game on Musters, but with "apparently" better passing shots

although on recent evidence it has to be pointed out that anyone with good net awareness would be at an advantage against Nadal

Tsonga and Blake have shown this in the past

Muster had 2 things going against him, he wqasn't consistent and he was up against the kings of S&V

Nadal has the consistency that Muster didn't have, but he incredibly lucky to be playing in an era where volley is a long forgotten art

Muster was a tougher fighter then Nadal, on par with Hewitt who is certainly superior to Nadal in fighting spirit

no one will match the Sampras fighting spirit but Muster was close.

how lucky should Rafa feel knowing that he won't have to face Sampras

because watching Rafa at the Madrid masters, and watching S&V own him EVEN ON CLAY

i have to say

Sampras could beat Rafa on clay

In 2008 Wimbledon final Federer desperately tried to serve and volley. During the first 2 sets 15 attempts resulted in 1 winner. Are you capable of calculating percentage? Why don't you watch some matches before crapping around?

thalivest · May 13, 2009

tennis-hero said:
Muster was a tougher fighter then Nadal, on par with Hewitt who is certainly superior to Nadal in fighting spirit

Yes Hewitt is a superior fighter to Nadal. That is why when still close to his best in 2004 he let Federer feed him 2 bagels in the U.S Open final. What an amazing fighter. :shock:

BreakPoint · May 14, 2009

Pirao said:
Oh yes, Sampras and Edberg would own Nadal on clay, look at all those FOs they have combined: 0. Impressive numbers, Nadal would stand no chance :lol:

Yes, they would because if Nadal played in the early 90's, he wouldn't have a high-tech APD nor the high tech poly strings. He's be playing with a PS 6.0 85 strung with gut, just like Sampras and Edberg did, but Nadal would be shanking like crazy with his high speed reverse forehands. :lol: LOL

BreakPoint · May 14, 2009

Bud said:
After the first 3 games... didn't Nadal adjust and then steamroll Melzer... running off almost 12 straight games... breaking serve 4 times along the way?

I'd like to find a copy of this match... so as to learn how to destroy and dispatch a S&V player, pronto

The way I saw it, Meltzer started to make unforced errors like crazy after the first 3 games. He started to miss even easy volleys. Guys like Sampras and Edberg wouldn't have missed those.

BreakPoint · May 14, 2009

King_roger said:
What??? :shock::shock:
Sorry, but that's a little bit embarrassing. IMO
I mean he's No. 1 of Austria and No. 27 ATP....

BTW: Jürgen could do much better, even against Rafa, but it's a mental problem....

I agree. Meltzer just couldn't mentally keep it together during that match with Nadal.

thalivest · May 14, 2009

BreakPoint said:
I agree. Meltzer just couldn't mentally keep it together during that match with Nadal.

Nobody can according to you. Nadal must be amazing, getting so lucky to win all his matches according to you, yet still winning almost every tournament right?

Clay lover · May 14, 2009

I think during the course of the Melzer v Nadal match you can see Nadal adjusting his game to Melzer's serve and volley by trying to return everything low and hard, and moving in and punishing his second serve. NO, Nadal will not topspin loop a moonball back for a serve return when someone is serve and volleying against him. He is actually a SMART player, and he has already considered all the IFs proposed by you serve and volleying elitist fanboys even before you came up with them.

and no, I am not saying this because I am a Nadal fanboy. I would even agree that Nadal has no edge over great serve and volleyers liek Sampras on any surface other than clay. But I am saying this because too many people underestimate Nadal's ability to adjust to different game styles.

King_roger · May 14, 2009

BreakPoint said:
I agree. Meltzer just couldn't mentally keep it together during that match with Nadal.

No buddy, I just meant he has mental problems in generally...
look: (it's in german, but I collected all the "magic-Melzer matches") :mrgreen:
http://saitenforum.de/board/showpost.php?p=292326&postcount=89

DarthMaul · May 14, 2009

I am watching this thread and getting sick of *******s who are hunting every person that can say other things than "Nadal is God". A forum is supposed to allow every people to post their opinions, bad or good. Sad...

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