What are the major differences between these two rackets in make up, play and spec??
Is one better than the other in your opinion..........?
The TwinTube feels more muted/dampened feel.
IIRC, All of the Radical Tour (also Trisys 260) racquets from 1993-1997 incorporated TT construction and the specs were virtually identical... approximately 12.4 oz and 4-5 points HL.
IIRC, All of the Radical Tour (also Trisys 260) racquets from 1993-1997 incorporated TT construction and the specs were virtually identical... approximately 12.4 oz and 4-5 points HL.
The Original Radical Tour 630 (Trisys 260 in USA) bumble bee black/yellow from 1993-1995 were not TwinTube.
The Original Radical Tour 630 (Trisys 260 in USA) bumble bee black/yellow from 1993-1995 were not TwinTube.
2nd that. the Original Rad was not TT. TT was the beginning of adding technology to the Rad. I used the original, my friend used the TT. the 1998, 3rd iteration was also TT. The 3 racquets also played differently, despite people claiming that the 2nd and 3rd iterations were the same except for paintjob. the 3rd version had a lower swingweight and was slightly less muted. Power was fairly close in all 3 versions.The Original Radical Tour 630 (Trisys 260 in USA) bumble bee black/yellow from 1993-1995 were not TwinTube.
This would be correct. I had 4 Trisys 260 MP's when I was a junior and it had no TwinTube technology. When the TwinTube version came out I thought it would be so awesome but was greatly disappointed. TT was so muted and felt ultra soft not like the crisp solid feeling of the 260's.
-Jon
Meagan,
Never got my hands on one but the Bumblebee supposedly plays a bit stiffer and is a real felt-ripping ball-crusher (ahem) :shock: .
The Twin Tube I can confirm is VERY soft and flexy... uniquely so I'd say as the ball is not so much pocketed but made a cup of tea, given a newspaper to read, and then quite a while later is sent back on its merry way! :lol: You get the point Rich?!... it holds the ball on the strings in a particularly distinctive manner (the serve feels pretty different all right)... people tend to love or hate it I think... I've actually changed my mind rather dramatically on this. I'd add that the frame has a wonderful solidness, control, feel and responsiveness (especially as regards b-line play)... oh - and the pj's brilliant imo too!
R.
Anyone know what modern 18x20 bumper/grommet would fit this racket ??
If You would like to put C.A.P. Grommets the LM Prestige Midplus or MG Prestige Midplus will both fit. If you like traditional grommets the Intelligence i.Prestige XL Mid+ Grommet will fit perfectly. In the U.S. the i.Prestige Midplus XL was sold with traditional grommets.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/catpage-GROMHEAD.html
what about any of the radical grommets VS ??
what about any of the radical grommets VS ??
To people who interested in these old radicals.
They are indeed not the same racket. The Radical 260 Midplus is 57A, and Radical Twintube Midplus is 57B. The TwinTube is more muted.
Here are my rackets with pallets removed, so you can see the code on the hairpin:
I liked the 260 MP better. And I think it is the same as today's so-called PT57A. Regarding the grommets, the 260 and Twintube share the same mold as the PT630 (which is the same mold as the Prestige MP), and the beam width a slightly less than the new modern radicals, that is why you can use Prestige MP grommets to perfectly fit those old radical MPs.
The Radical 260 OS is the one Agassi endorsed. Paying 38 bucks for (a good condition )one sounds like a good deal, I would take that any day.
MG Radical midplus would fit perfect.
Excellent info
I wonder if the second Twin Tube Radical MP (the second zebra) is actually a 57C?
Anyone know?
So do the MG Radical MP grommets definitely fit?
I really thought they wouldn't fit this racquet!
Yes. I have them on my Zebra right now.
Interesting... I know many, including Doc Hollidae who started the great Radical club on TT were/are of the opinion that in fact the Twin Tube (and especially the '98 version (yellow, silver, black, red cosmetic) was the greatest and most highly prized of them all... this is of course highly subjective but none-the-less...
R.
Anyone know the spec of the rad TT ??
I found this on another thread (for the zebra) but my strung weight is 330g ?????
Head size: 97 sq. in. / 626 sq. cm.
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Swingweight: 339
Weight: 12.2oz / 346g
Stiffness: 58 (0-100)
String Pattern: 18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Yes definitely subjective. I personally feel the MP 260's were the best Radicals ever and none come close so far. The Youtek Rad is pretty good but I think no where close to the 260's. The Zebra's weren't so bad, to me it was just a let down as I was so hyped in buying those versions thinking they would be that much of an upgrade compared to the 260's. To each his own I guess.
-Jon
I tried for ages to get hold of a Trysis 260 (or bumblebee)... I really wanted to experience some of that felt-ripping power for myself, but to no avail though, and moved on... ah well, along with a PC600, I'll hopefully have the opportunity to hit with 1 of these legendary frames 1 day! ("Wipes tear from eye". :roll
R.
The ball instantly becomes dead after the bumble-bee racket hit.The black and yellow 260 is an absolute ball killer.
If it is made in Austria and in condition of 8 or higher, $38 is a good price.Hi, I was looking at these 2 particular rackets today & trying to decide which to buy. I went for the Radical Tour Oversize (Bumblebee) as I owned one when first released and had fond memories, paid $38, is this a good price?
Also, scientists have examined the Bumblebee and determined that it is physically impossible for it to crush a tennis ball. The Bumblebee, however, does not know this, so it crushes the ball anyway.The ball instantly becomes dead after the bumble-bee racket hit.
anyone know my question instead of being silly?
Why don't you post some photos of your racquets so we can see what is going on.
here are the pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38221599@N05/sets/72157624174695444/
as you can see theres no swing rating, and the other side just has the tension recommendations and stuff like that. all 3 rackets are like this.
and if you look at the butt cap on the left side, you can see grey between the edge of the sticker and the black cap. is that added due to shortening of the handle? ive never seen it on normal handles, so im assuming it was added.
It appears that the Radical Tour Tour XL version (TT, Zebra) does not have the "L5" swing label inside the throat (see Item number: 260552041137 at bay). Another thing I notice is that even some standard length (non XL) version has no "L5" swing label (see Item number: 180508727010).I have 3 Head Radical Tour TT OS (yellow, grey, black, red 1998 version) but none of them have the L5 swing rating on the inside of the racket's neck. They are labeled XL, but measure 27" long- I have asked about this before on the forum and people think they were probably shortened at some point by the previous owner I had bought them from. did the XL version of the Radical Tour TT OS not have a swing rating label? that would clear up the original length question, along with the confusion of why its not labeled
That's just inconsistency by Head - nothing more.do you know why the swing style rating isnt labeled on our rackets but is on others?
To people who interested in these old radicals.
They are indeed not the same racket. The Radical 260 Midplus is 57A, and Radical Twintube Midplus is 57B. The TwinTube is more muted.
Here are my rackets with pallets removed, so you can see the code on the hairpin:
I liked the 260 MP better. And I think it is the same as today's so-called PT57A. Regarding the grommets, the 260 and Twintube share the same mold as the PT630 (which is the same mold as the Prestige MP), and the beam width a slightly less than the new modern radicals, that is why you can use Prestige MP grommets to perfectly fit those old radical MPs.
The Radical 260 OS is the one Agassi endorsed. Paying 38 bucks for (a good condition )one sounds like a good deal, I would take that any day.
the radical 260 OS (the Agassi racket) or the radical TT OS are both excellent OS rackets. in the same league as the POG OS. the best OS rackets you can find.