Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour vs 2009 Babolat Pure Storm GT

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nikkhasnis

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Like the Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour in terms of control, power and ease of swing, but with the 18X20 string it seems like it's missing that extra "oomph" for spin.

How does the Babolat Pure Storm GT (2009 version) compare with it?
 
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parasailing

Legend
I have both racquets and I prefer the Pure Storm Tour GT. It is more solid and for some reason, don't like the shape of Dunlops. The Tour GT of course is a bit heavier thus giving it better plow thru and stability.

But if you are in the market for one of these, email me and I can sell you my Dunlop.
 
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nikkhasnis

Rookie
Hi Para,

I already have the Dunlop. I want to know if the PSGT will give me more spin without sacrificing any control.

Thanks
 
brownsfan456

brownsfan456

New User
Try out the Dunlop biomimetic 200 Lite. There's a great review on here already. It is slightly heavier, but has a good swingweight and is pretty maneuverable. You can get plenty of spin with it and you'll still have that control you get with the 300T.
 
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Limpinhitter

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nikkhasnis said:
Like the Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour in terms of control, power and ease of swing, but with the 18X20 string it seems like it's missing that extra "oomph" for spin.

How does the Babolat Pure Storm GT (2009 version) compare with it?
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I'm currently playing with 4D 300Tours. I bought them for arm comfort. In that respect they are excellent frames. They also have great touch and feel. But, they are very low powered in stock form because they are basically a player's frame without the mass. If you add weight, you can add power. They also have a low sweet spot. If you tend to make contact in the upper 1/3rd of the hoop, this racquet is not for you. If you hit in the middle or lower, you'll love the feel of these frames. FYI, because of the dense string pattern and low weight, you have to string them much lower than you would on a more open, or heavier, frame. I string a multi at 52-54 and a full bed of poly at 45-46. You can get excellent spin with a full bed of poly strung in the mid 40's.

Having said all that, IMO, if you like a heavier frame (322g vs. 305g), I'd go straight for the Bio 200. It has all of the benefits of touch, feel and comfort, and more power and spin because of the extra mass. And, the SW of the Bio 200 is lower than the old 4D 200, so it's more maneuverable. I demo'd the Bio 200 and loved it. I'm considering that or one of the new Donnays.
 
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nikkhasnis

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Limpinhitter said:
FYI, because of the dense string pattern and low weight, you have to string them much lower than you would on a more open, or heavier, frame. I string a multi at 52-54 and a full bed of poly at 45-46. You can get excellent spin with a full bed of poly strung in the mid 40's.
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What about the control at such low tension?

To try out lower tension, I strung Wilson ncode nsix (16X18) at 40lbs with MSV Hex, full poly. It's gives a very metallic sound at contact and with very less control.

I generally string full polys at 57-58lbs.

I just gave my 300T for re-stringing with Trouna Rough at 50lbs. Didn't want to drop from 58lbs to mid 40s directly.
 
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nikkhasnis

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OK...so I ordered 4 demos...Dunlop Bio 200, 200 lite, Bab Pure Storm GT and PS Ltd. First impression.....

Bio 200 didn't feel right straight out of the box. So did not even hit with it.

Hit with PS Ltd for 10 mins, but the 95 head size and 18X20 string pattern is making me a bit vary.

The 2 for me are the Bio 200 lite and PS GT. Hit with them only once so cannot decide, but based on the fact that my current stick is the Dunlop 4D 300 T, I am leaning more towards 200 lite.

But I cannot make a true comparison. My 4D 300T is leaded at 10 and 2, and strung with poly whereas the demo is stock with multi at 62 lbs.

The 200lite did not give me a good feel at the net or overheads. Kept twisting in my hand at the net and all over heads went long.
 
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Limpinhitter

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nikkhasnis said:
Like the Dunlop Aerogel 4D 300 Tour in terms of control, power and ease of swing, but with the 18X20 string it seems like it's missing that extra "oomph" for spin.

How does the Babolat Pure Storm GT (2009 version) compare with it?
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These frames are similar. To me, the 300T is a bit more plush and comfortable, with slightly more touch, feel and maneuverability. But, it's very low powered. IMO, the touch, feel and low power is due in large part to the 18x20 string pattern which means you have to tension way down due to the 300T's moderate weight, or the result will be boardy. If you lead it up, you can string it a little tighter.

The PSGT is slightly lighter overall, but, has a bit more pop, especially in the upper hoop which is a bit dead on the 300T. I think this is because the shape of the PSGT is broader across the top, and it's balanced heavier in the head than the 300T which gives it a bit more plow.
 
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deco0028

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Limpinhitter said:
These frames are similar. To me, the 300T is a bit more plush and comfortable, with slightly more touch, feel and maneuverability. But, it's very low powered. IMO, the touch, feel and low power is due in large part to the 18x20 string pattern which means you have to tension way down due to the 300T's moderate weight, or the result will be boardy. If you lead it up, you can string it a little tighter.

The PSGT is slightly lighter overall, but, has a bit more pop, especially in the upper hoop which is a bit dead on the 300T. I think this is because the shape of the PSGT is broader across the top, and it's balanced heavier in the head than the 300T which gives it a bit more plow.
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Hi, have been considering the 4D Aerogel 300 16 x 19 for my son, or just the non-4D version. He is an all-courter, and likes racquets with feel. The Dunlop 300 non tour versions 4D and non-4D are very light, and based on specs are making me wary. I wonder how mucjh lead would need to be added to the 4D 300 non tour to make it reasonable powerful. BTW, have you ever played with the Aerogel 300 16 x 19 (non 4D)? Pity, I have the 4D 200 tour, a great racquet.
 
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nikkhasnis

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The 4D 300T is a great racket. I have not lead it up much, just an inch lead at 10 and 2 each. The spin great, for a 18X20. I am moving towards lighter rackets as they I can swing them easily to get more spin. The control with 4D 300T is also good.

The only thing, as you might have read, is that the sweet spot is lower, so an shot in 1/3rd or upper area is absolutely dead.
 
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nikkhasnis

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Limpinhitter said:
If you lead it up, you can string it a little tighter.
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I use only an inch of lead at 10 and 2 each. I have strung it with Tourna Blue Rough at 57lbs, and its great.

Limpinhitter said:
The PSGT is slightly lighter overall, but, has a bit more pop, especially in the upper hoop which is a bit dead on the 300T.
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That is right, but I rarely get that dead shot, so I must be mostly hitting in the center or below. :D

Limpinhitter said:
I think this is because the shape of the PSGT is broader across the top, and it's balanced heavier in the head than the 300T which gives it a bit more plow.
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I think the 200lite has the most plowthrough, then the 4D 300T and then PSGT. The PSGT is just 285gms, so there's really very less weight compared to 320gms of 200lite and 300T to give it the plow.
 
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Limpinhitter

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nikkhasnis said:
What about the control at such low tension? To try out lower tension, I strung Wilson ncode nsix (16X18) at 40lbs with MSV Hex, full poly. It's gives a very metallic sound at contact and with very less control.

I generally string full polys at 57-58lbs.

I just gave my 300T for re-stringing with Trouna Rough at 50lbs. Didn't want to drop from 58lbs to mid 40s directly.
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It's no different than 16x19, except that the tension range where control is lost and power is increased is lower because of the denser 18x20 pattern.

For me, with the 4D 300T 18x20 patternand light weight, that balance point is about 54lbs multi and 45 lbs poly. For a 16x19 pattern, it would be about 60lbs multi and about 52lbs poly.
 
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steve260z

steve260z

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I play with the 200L and have played with the PS. IMO the PS (and the other Babolats) requires topspin virtually all the time to keep the ball in. With the 200 L or either 300 you can hitter flatter shots much easier.
 
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nikkhasnis

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steve260z said:
I play with the 200L and have played with the PS. IMO the PS (and the other Babolats) requires topspin virtually all the time to keep the ball in. With the 200 L or either 300 you can hitter flatter shots much easier.
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I agree, with the Dunlops you can hit with topspin as well as flat with ease.
 
TheBoom

TheBoom

Hall of Fame
The 300 tour is a beast on serve best in its class. And oldbutgame what are the differences you noticed if any?
 
OldButGame

OldButGame

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Honestly??...with all the sticks i jump around with, I've only played the Bio a little so far,..but from what i could tell,...i didnt pickup any noticeable differences between the two,..:neutral:
 
TheBoom

TheBoom

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OldButGame said:
Honestly??...with all the sticks i jump around with, I've only played the Bio a little so far,..but from what i could tell,...i didnt pickup any noticeable differences between the two,..:neutral:
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Hmmm maybe i'll have to pick one up and see if there isn't i may get like 2 but it depends on how much i like the bio 100 200 lite or 200 tour
 
OldButGame

OldButGame

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The Bio 200 'sounds' somewhat like the old Aerogel 200's,....if they are,..then they're nice sticks,....the aerogels are great,...just heavier,more stable,heavier ball, than the 300T,....not as quick to move though, higher SW,...but very comfortable. I really like the aerogel 200's too.
 
TheBoom

TheBoom

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I've only tried the ag 200 and 200 lite biomimetic not the tour. The 200 did't feel right there wasn't much access to spin and didn't feel crisp but it coulda been the strings
 
TripleB

TripleB

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deco0028 said:
I wonder how mucjh lead would need to be added to the 4D 300 non tour to make it reasonable powerful.
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I've tried both the 4D 300 and the 4D 300 Tour (a couple of times each) and found that the 4D 300, even though it's lighter, has more power (in stock form for both) than the 4D 300 Tour. I'm not sure if it is because of the more open string pattern on the non-Tour or what, but I could tell a good bit of difference between the two in terms of power.

To OP: I preferred the 4D 300 Tour to the Babolat but preferred the 4D 300 (non-Tour) to both of them. The non-Tour felt a little light at the time but I'm finding myself moving towards lighter racquets (due to playing more doubles and wanting to be quicker at then net).

One racquet you did'nt mention that gives the best of all the racquets above is the Prince Ozone Tour...it's the best racquet I've played with in a looooooong time. And at $79 it is a steal!!!

TripleB
 
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nikkhasnis

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TripleB said:
To OP: I preferred the 4D 300 Tour to the Babolat but preferred the 4D 300 (non-Tour) to both of them. The non-Tour felt a little light at the time but I'm finding myself moving towards lighter racquets (due to playing more doubles and wanting to be quicker at then net).
TripleB
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I play doubles a lot too. It's actually messing my singles game, but that's another story. I had to lead up my 4D300T to get some stability at the net. Not a lot, 1 inch at 10 and 2. The 300T version is light enough for me, maybe cos I moved from a ncode nsix, which weighs close to 13 ounces.

The funny thing is, after demoing the Bio 200lite and Bab PSGT, I am liking my 300T more. I'll give the Bio 200 Lite another shot tomorrow, when I play singles.
 
TheBoom

TheBoom

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nikkhasnis said:
I play doubles a lot too. It's actually messing my singles game, but that's another story. I had to lead up my 4D300T to get some stability at the net. Not a lot, 1 inch at 10 and 2. The 300T version is light enough for me, maybe cos I moved from a ncode nsix, which weighs close to 13 ounces.

The funny thing is, after demoing the Bio 200lite and Bab PSGT, I am liking my 300T more. I'll give the Bio 200 Lite another shot tomorrow, when I play singles.
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I think that he 300 tour just has that affect, i can't seem to find anything that gives me the same results
 
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nikkhasnis

Rookie
When I hit with the Pure Storm GT, I get a pain in my wrist (inside below my little finger). The minute I switch to 300T, its gone (the pain I mean). Any suggestions?
 
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