heftylefty
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I'm sure I could post her up in basketball. But in tennis, she would pwn me.
Could you beat Agnieska Radwanska?
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Nadalfan89
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I'm a 5.5 player who was an alternate on the Canadian Davis Cup team. I've hit with Raonic on multiple occasions and now I train nationally ranked juniors for a living.
I would easily beat her. Don't make sweeping generalizations and claim "no one on this forum could beat her".
I would easily beat her. Don't make sweeping generalizations and claim "no one on this forum could beat her".
dude you gotta stay out of the medicine cabinet
Totai
Professional
Real tennis like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis
I don't even know how to play real tennis!
I don't even know how to play real tennis!
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
^^^ this here, for real.
I remember, the show Pros vs Joes, and one episode they had Kournikova. So of course, some azz clown decided to ask her out on a date. She told him if he could return one of her serves( as in make contact and get it over the net, no matter if it lands in the singles court or not), she would go on a date with him. Granted, this guy was no tennis player, but still, she was lobbing practice serves in and he had no chance at all.
I don't think this is completely true, there are some former D1 players on the board and some guys who used to play futures, then there is Clint who currently still plays them.
But given that, 99% of the board would lose. And for the record no 4.5 would get a game off a top 20 female player. IDK who said that but absolutely not, you need to be a decent college player/someone winning matches at USTA cash tournies to even start thinking about winning games
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1970CRBase
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LOL and Kournikova never had anything like a big serve in her playing days or even a particularly reliable one. Wasn't there a similar thing at some US womens event a while back? There was a delay and the player offered to let spectators try to return her serve, nobody could do it, including a number of intrepid guys. ppl just don't get it, if it looks easy when top pros are playing, it is only because they are up against people just as good as they are and just as talented and therefore an equal and opposing force, thats why the ball goes back and forth, if you are not in their stratosphere at a roughly equal level, pro with pro, top pro with top pro, the balls go one way only!
In any case, the question is wrong because you have to compare like with like, not men with women which is always a silly pointless exercise, should be, if you are female, can you beat Aggie? If you can, you had better say which out of the top 10 best women's players in the world you are.
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Richie Rich
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some of the women pros outside the top 100 are bad but i would have to agree with you. maybe the odd d1 player with a big serve would beat her but not many. although remember what karsten braasch did to the william's sisters a few years ago........
OrangePower
Legend
I second that.
I too am a 4.5 and I've had a chance to hit against WTA pros. There is no way I could get a game, unless I go for broke on every single serve and somehow manage to luck out and get four of my absolute best serves in a row.
Top D1 players could have a chance to beat a top 20 WTA pro, but now we're talking a solid 6.0 or above.
I knew a kid 6 years ago who didn't play any junior slams and failed to make the Ohio State University team and beat Serena 2 and 2...you are overestimating the talent of a women's tennis pro. However you are right in the fact that no 4.5 will ever get a game, like I said you have to be a decent college player to think about it
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Those "former D1" people (most of them) have no chance. I could only see Clint and Tony with a chance, but far from easy wins.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
ahm...not true at all...
One is a professional, the other spends at least 6-7 hours per day sitting on his *** in the clasroom and/or study room
One has psychological training and planning sessions, the other NOT
One has been practicing tennis and thinking about it 8 hours per day, the other has been thinking about girls and booze 8 hours per day
One has been doing the same thing (tennis) for past 10 years (almost) the other has been doing the same (girls) for past few years...
No matte rhow much you believe the male dominance wins, tennis is more of the psychological game than just hitting hard serves...
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mellowyellow
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Not when the pace and height of your ball continually coughs up short no pace balls. How about when your second serve is bigger than most female first serves. I think that a modest D1 at least makes a respectable game. The funny thing is you are talking about a prime female, who is probably doing something...... to have the tireless stamina she has day after day, match after match doing twice the running as her opponent. Probably a few 4.5-5.5 guys that if they get a few good serves and make a few shots would win a their game. Then, how is she going to serve it out??????? I would bet that the differing pace/hack game of a male 4.5-5.5 would cause a top female plenty of problems. Inconsistent style is not something the female players adapt to very well. I know/practiced a guy Ben Keeney, who went to Elon College and played. He as a junior in HS, was 6'1" and I believe that she would have a tough time with his serve at that point of his tennis. Don't know where he would have been rated at that point but still, he was 17 at best.
Joe Pike
Banned
I'll throw my Graf knowledge into the mix.
Steffi Graf practiced extensively with male hitting partners throughout her career. She was asked several times how she would compare to top male players. Her answer was repeatedly that about 3,000 or so male players WORLDWIDE would be better than her. That would translate to a few hundred in the USA.
I don't know these player classifications you use in the USA. But what I gather from Google a 5.5 player would have had no chance against Graf in her prime. A 5.5 player apparently is not among the top 50,000 in the world.
Even a 42-old Steffi would wipe the floor with guys like them.
I talked to a German (male) player 20 years ago who was ranked among the top 100 here in Germany for a short while. He said that he would most probably lose to Steffi - but added that it would be different with other top-10 female players ...
kiki
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I'll throw my Graf knowledge into the mix.
Steffi Graf practiced extensively with male hitting partners throughout her career. She was asked several times how she would compare to top male players. Her answer was repeatedly that about 3,000 or so male players WORLDWIDE would be better than her. That would translate to a few hundred in the USA.
I don't know these player classifications you use in the USA. But what I gather from Google a 5.5 player would have had no chance against Graf in her prime. A 5.5 player apparently is not among the top 50,000 in the world.
Even a 42-old Steffi would wipe the floor with guys like them.
I talked to a German (male) player 20 years ago who was ranked among the top 100 here in Germany for a short while. He said that he would most probably lose to Steffi - but added that it would be different with other top-10 female players ...
So, that confirms that pirme King would own prime Graf, since prime King wiped the floor with multislam winner Bobby Riggs, a MALE
Joe Pike
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kiki
Banned
I remain at Kournikova´s disposal for any shot she wants to practise with me...I only ask the right to choose surface - so to make things even-
kiki
Banned
6-4,6-3,6-3.That was the final result against a guy that challenged for the nº 1 spot at his prime...isn´t bad ?
of course, on the other hand, we all know that Connors wiped the floor with Navratilova, in the so called battle of sexes.And Connors was almost drafting wills by then
Joe Pike
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Riggs was 55 years old ...
Imagine prime Graf playing against a 55-year-old Rod Laver 1993.
Steffi would have killed the poor old man. Rod most definitely would not have made 10 games.
And he was most certainly another level as this Riggs guy.
Rock Strongo
Legend
It wouldn't be a TT thread without Graf, now wouldn't it...
kiki
Banned
Mc Enroe is almost 55 now...do you think prime Graf could win more than 2-3 games from John, right the way he is playing?
I don´t think so
Joe Pike
Banned
Although a 52-year-old McEnroe would be far superior to a 55-year-old Riggs prime Steffi would only struggle maybe for half an hour or so.
Probably a 6-4, 6-2, 6-1 win for her in the end.
Don't forget - you never saw prime Graf play with modern racquets. To suggest that ANY male over 50 years old would have a chance against prime Graf is beyond ridiculous.
HunterST
Hall of Fame
Haha, I'm not buying that story.
Joe Pike
Banned
Same with christian internet forums - there are rarely any threads without Jesus being mentioned in them ...
kiki
Banned
Which age would you make the cut?
Rosewall reached W and USO finals at 40
Connors, at 40, reached the USO sf
I saw Laver and Roche play on very fast indoors when they were 45...they could beat, in a 2 sets match, many of the MALE pros that were 15 -20 years their juniors.
BJK reached the W SF at 39 and Martina was 38 when she played her last final at London.
Where do you make the cut'
Joe Pike
Banned
No, he definitely didn't.
BTW, there is a big difference between 40 and 55.
And between someone like Riggs and John McEnroe.
And between a prime Court/King and a prime Graf.
kiki
Banned
Yes, BJK won 28 majors and Court, 24
TTMR
Hall of Fame
I'll throw my Graf knowledge into the mix.
Steffi Graf practiced extensively with male hitting partners throughout her career. She was asked several times how she would compare to top male players. Her answer was repeatedly that about 3,000 or so male players WORLDWIDE would be better than her. That would translate to a few hundred in the USA.
I don't know these player classifications you use in the USA. But what I gather from Google a 5.5 player would have had no chance against Graf in her prime. A 5.5 player apparently is not among the top 50,000 in the world.
Even a 42-old Steffi would wipe the floor with guys like them.
I talked to a German (male) player 20 years ago who was ranked among the top 100 here in Germany for a short while. He said that he would most probably lose to Steffi - but added that it would be different with other top-10 female players ...
The difference is Graf hits hard, Radwanska pushes and throws in the occasional junk ball and suicide net approach.
The only reason hard hitting women lose to Radwanska is because of their weak mental games. They hit an unforced error or two and tighten up, hit more, then collapse. They also don't know how to deal with a player that comes to the net because they are used to other hard hitters. But otherwise Radwanska has no pure tennis ability (which is measured by power). A tenacious hard hitter will defeat her every time.
A hard hitter when 'on' will always beat a softballer. The softballer thrives on seeing the hitter's head crumble. A 4.5, unlike a female pro, will have no reputation to protect. He could go for broke every time and it wouldn't matter. She could not handle the pace as long as those guys keep it together mentally.
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Joe Pike
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Joe Pike
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kiki
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Do your job and search in Wiki...that is how you learned something about tennis, ain´t it?
" How to learn tennis by wiki: a 3 weeks MBA " ( with an accelerate 6 month course for newcomers)
Joe Pike
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Wait - please don't tell me you also count mixed doubles, the last resort of desperate US tennis jingoists ...
kiki
Banned
Wait - please don't tell me you also count mixed doubles, the last resort of desperate US tennis jingoists ...
Doubles are tennis, no?
Same way Phelps has gotten medals in different styles and you wouldn´t just count free style ones, right?
You welcome
Shutup Troll.
Joe Pike
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"Doubles"?
You mean this competition where a 35-year-old Liezel Huber is the #1-ranked player currently?
...
Same way Phelps has gotten medals in different styles and you wouldn´t just count free style ones, right?
You welcome
So Liezel Huber is greater than Sabatini in your universe?
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PSNELKE
Legend
Hell no!!
My serve and some FHs would probably trouble her and I could sneak out a service game here and there with it, but in the end she would beat the **** out of me.
She doesn´t hit hard at all, but those junk balls and that pushing style would make me hitting Federesque UEs.
My serve and some FHs would probably trouble her and I could sneak out a service game here and there with it, but in the end she would beat the **** out of me.
She doesn´t hit hard at all, but those junk balls and that pushing style would make me hitting Federesque UEs.
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boredone3456
G.O.A.T.
I could definitely beat her...and I could also beat Federer as well....
But seriously, no, I would probably get lucky to get a game each set and I wouldn't even wager I could do that. Her all court game and her ability to push and throw in the moonballs would probably have me beating myself. I doubt that 90% of the posters on hear could even give her a competitive set. Even those that play tennis unless they are college players, and I know we have some of those, wouldn't have much of a chance.
The few high level college players that post on here might have a shot at her, and even then she would probably be able to hold her own. She may not have a Serena serve, but she has enough everywhere else to trouble people.
But seriously, no, I would probably get lucky to get a game each set and I wouldn't even wager I could do that. Her all court game and her ability to push and throw in the moonballs would probably have me beating myself. I doubt that 90% of the posters on hear could even give her a competitive set. Even those that play tennis unless they are college players, and I know we have some of those, wouldn't have much of a chance.
The few high level college players that post on here might have a shot at her, and even then she would probably be able to hold her own. She may not have a Serena serve, but she has enough everywhere else to trouble people.
kiki
Banned
I don´t follow up today´s women game.Plus, Sabatini played pretty well doubles...with Steffi?
Federerx16
Rookie
Netzroller
Semi-Pro
I would most likely not win a single point against her...
I haven't seen you guys play and I know that there are lots of guys better than me but some rec players should really be more realistic about their own skill level.
I haven't seen you guys play and I know that there are lots of guys better than me but some rec players should really be more realistic about their own skill level.
I don't think Tony would win, he would get games though. And if Clint plays like a typical top 500 level player he will have an easy win
And ok, good for you
TonLars
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