Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I think you can throw Denver Nuggets in there as well. George Karl knows how to couch, and their GMs make good moves. Somehow, someway, they always end up as the team that no one wants to play in the playoffs.
NBA 2012-2013 Discussion, keep it classy
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I think you can throw Denver Nuggets in there as well. George Karl knows how to couch, and their GMs make good moves. Somehow, someway, they always end up as the team that no one wants to play in the playoffs.
Fifth Set
Professional
Agree on Karl and GMs but never really makes the team a legit title hope. They have made the playoffs last 8 or 9 years, only to lose in first round in all but one year.
They are competitive and entertaining, but not real contenders. Frustrating.
It's a problem that the NBA and its fans seem reluctant to even acknowledge. Yet, it's not nearly the same league without the "small market" teams since they make up half the squads!
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Anyone watching the Knicks/Heat game on ABC?
The Knicks need to stop b!tching about no-calls.
The Knicks need to stop b!tching about no-calls.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Watching...LBJ is just in sicko mode. The Knicks and/or Pacers will give the heat some problems in the playoffs, but the way the Heat overcame that deficit was pretty impressive.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Oh JR... bad shot man, bad shot...
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Classic JR Smith..so talented but he just makes some real dumb decisions sometimes.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Seriously, off the bench, playing the guard position, and ends up with double digits rebounds. The dude knows where and when to be on the basketball court.
However, I still prefer him over Russell Westbrook. (I know it's not much of a choice)
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Way to go Serge Ibaka, way to show how to fight through a box-out on rebound.
Can't get position and box-out your guy? Hit him where it hurts.
Can't get position and box-out your guy? Hit him where it hurts.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
When do you practice that? Oh, snap, who practices free throws?
volleygirl
Rookie
You would take JR Smith over Westbrook? I would take Westbrook over him anyday amd it isnt even close.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
The level of discussion has fallen off significantly. Seriously, let's get this back on track.
-Westbrook >>>>>>>>>>>> JR Smith, and this may be the worst question ever asked.
-I don't care how many trick shots Ellis can hit, he's still an inefficient shoot-first chucker and I'd take Curry over him 10/10 times. (and we see where GS went with Ellis as main guy vs Curry as main guy)
-Ibaka will probably get a game for that nut shot and should've been ejected.
-Westbrook >>>>>>>>>>>> JR Smith, and this may be the worst question ever asked.
-I don't care how many trick shots Ellis can hit, he's still an inefficient shoot-first chucker and I'd take Curry over him 10/10 times. (and we see where GS went with Ellis as main guy vs Curry as main guy)
-Ibaka will probably get a game for that nut shot and should've been ejected.
Fifth Set
Professional
+1. They do play a different position but Westbrook can play either the point or shooting guard better than JR. JR is impressive when he's hot, but is a horrible decision maker.
A new fan of JR's in NY would be well advised to watch the Denver-Lakers Western finals series from a few years back. JR basically cost us a pivotal game in the series by blowing his top for no good reason, getting a technical and killing the team's momentum at a key point in the second half. It was a train wreck.
Strange that some New Yorkers are getting so excited about what is basically an East Coast version of the Nuggets - fun in the regular season but not capable of winning a title. Sad that the NBA is so black and white, but it is.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I would take JR Smith only because he's slightly better at being a teammate, and is probably less disruptive of the two in my opinion.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
By the way, is Kobe really 34 years old? He's still dunking on fools left and right.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Better at being a teammate? In what way? Certainly not with passing since Westbrook avg 8 APG (and 7 for his career) vs JR 2.7 (and 2.1 for his career.)
Anyone that knows my history knows I'm not a RW fan at all, but to say you'd take JR "chucker" Smith over him is just plain ********. Didn't JR just go 3-14 3pt yesterday? STOP SHOOTING! It's easy to get rebs when you're missing ALL OF THE TIME! Seriously, this may be the dumbest opinion I've seen this whole thread.
Only thing JR may be better at is 3pt shooting, but even there Westbrook is more efficient a shooter than JR ever has been. He is what he is, a streaky inconsistent shooter who works well as a 6th man but is nowhere close to what Westbrook is as a player.
BTW Smith avg 3 RPG career so using these 2 outlier performances as basis for him being some elite SG is just ******** as well.
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Westbrook is a proven elite top 5 PG. His first step is possibly manufactured by Zeus. It's not even close, I go with R West.
Was thinking about top PGs and how it can be a little liquid. For example, D williams was a no brainer top 3 PG just 2 years ago. Now he is barely top 10.
I already have Erving as a top 5 guy. Just nasty. And then you can't forget about Tony Parker who is arguably playing the best right now.
PG is just so key..unless you are the Heat and then LBJ is basically your PG. LBJ is one of the best passers I have ever seen. I have always compared him to Magic Johnson. His game seems closer to that than the Jordan comparisons.imo.
Was thinking about top PGs and how it can be a little liquid. For example, D williams was a no brainer top 3 PG just 2 years ago. Now he is barely top 10.
I already have Erving as a top 5 guy. Just nasty. And then you can't forget about Tony Parker who is arguably playing the best right now.
PG is just so key..unless you are the Heat and then LBJ is basically your PG. LBJ is one of the best passers I have ever seen. I have always compared him to Magic Johnson. His game seems closer to that than the Jordan comparisons.imo.
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hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
My worst probalem with Westbrook is how he still makes dumb decsions sometimes. He cant be counted on as a #1 guy. As a number 2 guy he is great. If Durant ever gets more agresive in being the dominant scorer maybe the Westbrook will shine and OKC will roll poeple.
But Smith cant be a #1 or a #2 guy. If smith is the best or 2d best player on your tem you are assured of getting a 6-8 seed and getting bounced in the 1st rd. Westbrook is better than that.
I think westbrook is good enough to carry
But Smith cant be a #1 or a #2 guy. If smith is the best or 2d best player on your tem you are assured of getting a 6-8 seed and getting bounced in the 1st rd. Westbrook is better than that.
I think westbrook is good enough to carry
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
JR took 14 (!!!) 3-pointers yesterday. made 3 of em. if he makes just 2 more or better yet doesn't take them and the knicks take better shots - knicks probably win the game. his 4 turnovers including the nail in the coffin in the final minute doesn't help either.
westbrook still makes dumb mistakes but it's clear that he's learning. he takes less dumb shots and is doing a better job dishing the ball.
westbrook is JR smith with a half a brain.
westbrook still makes dumb mistakes but it's clear that he's learning. he takes less dumb shots and is doing a better job dishing the ball.
westbrook is JR smith with a half a brain.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/...alks-kobe-bryant-free-agency-lakers-teammates
Another reason why Dwight Howard needs a PR lesson...
I'm sure a lot of the stuff was taken out of context. But still, I can't think of a good way to ever use "a bunch of guys nobody wanted."
Another reason why Dwight Howard needs a PR lesson...
I'm sure a lot of the stuff was taken out of context. But still, I can't think of a good way to ever use "a bunch of guys nobody wanted."
Power Player
Bionic Poster
LOL..dwight just thrashed ORL with that. He needs more than PR skills, he needs life lessons really. Granted the Orlando team was not amazing, but to say that "nobody wanted" any of them is pretty foolish. Pretty sure JJ Redick will have a nice laugh if he reads that one.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
JJ Redick is probably mad at Dwight Howard, his trade value would have gone up if Dwight Howard could kick the ball back out more, instead of traveling and getting offense charges left and right in the paint.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I'm just glad it is over and we are loading up on good young players. This Tobias Harris guy is awesome. LA fans now get their dwightmare this summer. He is already doing the "im here now" nonsense.
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
is dwight the least liked player in the league now or does lebron still hold that title?
Disgruntled Worker
Professional
LeBron is disliked because his team's are always title contenders and it rubs the envious the wrong way. ESPN's constant exposure doesn't help either. Dwight Howard is disliked for the same reason Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony are disliked (by some). They wanted a trade - after doing NOTHING for their original franchises - and they haven't delivered. Howard's case is especially egregious because he did it DURING the Magic's season as opposed to LBJ, CP3 and Melo who at least had the decency to wait for the off-season.
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
i'm not so sure lebron, melo, CP3, d-will ever threw their teammates and/or coach under the bus though. so there's that too.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Melo was traded during the season too. And saying Melo/CP3 did nothing for Denver/NO is a bit much.
Lest we forget, NONE of these guys is the first to ask for a trade, nor is asking for a trade in and of itself enough to be hated IMO.
Dwight's jumped the shark the past year, I don't have anything positive to say about him. Totally crybaby drama queen, and has surpassed LBJ as most hated on IMO.
Disgruntled Worker
Professional
Of course there's nothing wrong with asking for a trade. Kevin Garnett played for 13 season in Minesotta before getting the call from Danny Ainge. Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler and Chuck ALL tried winning with other teams. But these were established players that tried winning for their own franchises before giving up and going to South Beach. I think what LeBron did was a total d!ck move. And I'm glad Cleveland got Kyrie Irving. But LBJ got his team to the Finals and made them the best regular season team in the NBA two years in a row!
And of course Melo and CP3 did stuff for the Nuggets and Hornets. But neither ever made their teams legitimate title contenders like LeBron did. And as a matter of fact, it wasn't until the Nuggets traded for Chauncey Billups in 2007 that the Nuggets even made it out of the first round! Melo averaged significantly less during the 07-08 than in previous years by the way.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
NO didn't surround Paul with a legit #2 his entire time there. He did all that was asked of him really before getting traded. Plus NO had to trade him since he was going to be a FA after this season anyways and would likely leave. So instead of leaving and getting nothing in return, they got solid picks and young talent, though Gordon has proven to be injury prone and a flake.
LeBron was a Free Agent, he had free reign to go where he wanted and owed Cleveland nothing. The more time goes on the less harsh I feel about him leaving Cleveland. He never asked to be traded. He played out his contract and left on his own.
Melo was also approaching FA I think, and it's not like Denver got nothing in return for him. They probably pulled the biggest return of all of these teams with solid pieces (Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov) that could yield them better results than the Melo-led teams did.
tl;dr. It's hard for me to feel any sort of ill will towards a guy that asks for a trade respectfully or plays out his contract before leaving. Have no respect for guys that pout, are drama queens, etc (Dwight).
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Howard seriously need to stop talking...
Power Player
Bionic Poster
LBJ exposed his ego by quitting on CLE in the last playoff series, then did the "my talents" show. That's over the top. Then he did the "not one, not two...etc". But after that he calmed down and started playing GOAT basketball.
Once you win a title, and are playing at an ultra high level, people forgive you. Dwight's level of play has sunk, his personality is all about blaming others to boost himself. He constantly says idiocy to the media and throws his old teammates under the bus. A lot of NBA players don't like Dwight at all. It's obvious the guys in ORL don't. I know Dwight treated Vince like garbage here in Orlando..just sold him out. Vince is one of the nicer guys in the NBA too. So is Jameer.
Once you win a title, and are playing at an ultra high level, people forgive you. Dwight's level of play has sunk, his personality is all about blaming others to boost himself. He constantly says idiocy to the media and throws his old teammates under the bus. A lot of NBA players don't like Dwight at all. It's obvious the guys in ORL don't. I know Dwight treated Vince like garbage here in Orlando..just sold him out. Vince is one of the nicer guys in the NBA too. So is Jameer.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
The thread title says "keep it classy" yet we keep talking about classless whiney Real Big Baby. The guy is now the most irrelevant max-contract player in the league. He is damaged goods with serious holes in many offensive fundamentals. Until he regains health, he will be a shadow of the defensive all-star he became in Orlando. I pity the fool of a GM who hitches his future to the trainwreck D12 has become. Kupchak may never recover from his blunder(s) this past year.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Dwight got tired of playing with bumbs in Orlando. He handled the situation wrong, but he young and he has never had to act like a responsible adult. That team was going nowhere fast and I dont blame him for leaving.
I think he cant stand Kobe and his back is not 100% which is probably why he hurt his shoulder to begin with. If Dwight goes to Houston watch out.
The Lakers might sneak into the Playoffs where they would be a dangerous 7 or 8 seed.
I think he cant stand Kobe and his back is not 100% which is probably why he hurt his shoulder to begin with. If Dwight goes to Houston watch out.
The Lakers might sneak into the Playoffs where they would be a dangerous 7 or 8 seed.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Dangerous to who? They might have a slim shot of beating SA if injuries come into the equation, but they have no shot of beating OKC. None of the top teams in the West are really scared of the Lakers. That and Kobe's putting in so much effort just to carry them to 20 pt comebacks against the Pelicans.
Honestly, Houston probably scares some of the top teams more than the Lakers.
Disgruntled Worker
Professional
No one is questioning that the Lakers have been a better team than Orlando. Fifteen titles versus 2 Finals appearances - it isn't even a contest. What we're saying is THE WAY Dwight Howard single-handedly messed up an entire franchise is pretty damning. This is the team that made you into a superstar along the lines of Kobe , LeBron and Durant and you screw them like this. Dwight Howard deserves every bit of what's happening to him in the LA.
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
dwight definitely doesn't like kobe. nash is too smart to say anything negative but i don't think he likes kobe either. liking someone doesn't matter one iota -- when teams are winning. lakers ain't.
lakers lose very badly in the first round of playoffs vs thunder. dwight leaves LA for houston or brooklyn. regains his health and mojo. becomes likeable again. we find someone else to hate more than dwight.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I would rather play, GS, HOU, or Utah than LA in a 1st round.
Houstons defense is the reason nobody fears them. They can win a game or 2 by outscoring, but they cant win 4.
Memphis and the Clippers wont fear LA so much. But SA and OKC should, just becuase size.
This is assuming Pau comes back and Howard stays healthy.
Im not sold on OKC as a playoff team this year. Stop Durant from going off and I dont Westbrook can beat you 4 games. The Spurs had OKC on the ropes last year and Harden was the reason) and an 11-11 shooting night from Ibaka). harden aint there and nobody can bail them out this year.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
D12 had a lot of help there from the front office. Otis Smith played a big role in our demise...overpaying for Rashard Lewis, drafting Fran Vasquez, trading for Gilbert Arenas...need I go on or should Power Player get the hand-off?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I still think Gilbert Arenas was misused on that Magic. You can't tell me Jameer Nelson was any better than Gilbert Arenas.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Stays healthy? Dwight isn't healthy, he's been playing hurt all year and likely won't get any better once the playoffs roll around. And he and Pau were terrible together.
Size won't matter, LA had Bynum and Pau last year and still lost to OKC. Defensively LA can't stop a nosebleed. You really trust Steve Nash to be able to stop Westbrook? That's not happening.
San Antonio might, but they just play too well as a unit to lose to a team as dysfunctional and inconsistent as LA in a best of 7 series.
One's still in the league and one isn't. Gilbert was never the same once his knee injury occurred, he was a shell of his former self.
Disgruntled Worker
Professional
Doesn't matter. The Magic spent many years and several millions of dollars getting just the right players to complement Dwight's game and cover up his liabilities (offense). They made him into a 20-20 machine that won Defensive Player of the Year four times! When you remove such a crucial piece from the puzzle or that piece decides to act like a 12-year-old punk and demands a trade, the damage is absolutely devastating.
navorski_o9
New User
battle of the number 9 spots tonight....lakers and raptors...both teams desperate...lets go raps!!!
Power Player
Bionic Poster
LOL cmon man..Tom pretty much nailed it.
Arenas was not misused at all. He was out of shape and was slow. And yes I think Jameer is better than Arenas was (when he was on the magic). Arenas was a shell of himself.
Where is he now? He was done when we got him. It was a mistake, and he is still getting millions for it.
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
in chicago - doctors say rose is cleared to go. but he doesn't feel like he's ready yet. i wonder if he's thinking it's not worth throwing himself back into the grind if they are just fighting for 2nd place in the eastern conference. might not be worth it.
T1000
Legend
Last night sucked, Durant getting superstar calls and the refs bailing OKC out of the game. At least JR went off and kept me entertained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HB1yXTqODg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HB1yXTqODg
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I guess, I wonder if him and Gerald Wallace still talks?
volleygirl
Rookie
The only time Arenas was misused was when they actually put him in the game. The guy was a joke at that point in his career and there wasnt a more overpaid cancer in the NBA at that point.
tennismonkey
Semi-Pro
i don't think this applies anymore for westbrook but still funny:
