Julian, would it be possible for Ashaway to extrude a rectangular-cross-section version of Monogut ZX?
Julian,
Why does Ashaway recommend 15 second pulls on each string? What would happen if I strung it up normally?
This is something we have talked about. Definitely a future possibility.
We have seen that ,if strung too fast, MZX may not have enough time to fully elongate between pulls. The extra time on each pull allows the string to complete its stretch before moving on. This gives you the best chance for a consistent string-bed.
Also, because the string stretches so much during stringing, there will be some initial tension loss during the settling period. However, once the string has settled, the string-bed maintains tension better than either Polyester or Nylon. Have you noticed?
Good points! I should not have been so absolute in my declaration. I was equating spin potential to playability and of course there are other aspects to playability.
Since MZX is such a lively string, sticking with the 16 gauge is probably a good choice for a lot of players. Some players do enjoy the increased spin potential of the 17 gauge. We have even experimented with 18 and 19 gauges and some players have raved about their ability to work the ball with those strings. It all depends on your game and what you are looking for.
There is no doubt that MZX is on the extreme end of the power - control spectrum. The benefits of the string are power, arm friendliness, and the ability of the string bed to maintain tension. To take advantage of these benefits, you need to find the best way to bring some control into the equation in the context of your game. If the increase in spin does not outweigh the extra liveliness you may get in the thinner gauge then sticking with the 16 gauge version is probably your best opportunity to tame the strings power.
Probably a good idea. In my mind, I've been saving it for a book. But that would be a bigger effort.
I'm sure you can understand we don't want to give out too much information about exactly how we make our strings. I will tell you that the black strands in the picture are PTFE.
Kevlar plus does play a little softer that other Kevlar strings because of its unique construction. The Ashaway Kevlar strings are available in sets at TW as Crossfire II/ 17/ 18/ Plus packaged with Ashaway syn-gut.
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Is that a PK micro? Can you even get 16g strings through the holes? I would definitely go thin with a micro.I have a 22X15 stringbed and its very dense. Wouldnt the 17 gauge be better than the 16 gauge in a denser stringbed than rather a 16X10, or a
16X18/19
My racket needs more power and has great control because its dense, what do you think? Do you think I should add more control over its high control or too much control is useless because it gets to a point where you cant get any more control?
Since MZX is such a lively string, sticking with the 16 gauge is probably a good choice for a lot of players. Some players do enjoy the increased spin potential of the 17 gauge. We have even experimented with 18 and 19 gauges
This is something we have talked about. Definitely a future possibility.
Thanks for the reply.
My 2 cents. For this type of string, I think its a bit misleading to give the 1.22 a 'Pro' tag, given how less control orientated (and arguably higher powered) the 1.22 is likely to be. It doesn't follow convention either - other manufacturers for example don't give their thinner gauges the 'Pro' tag.
That would be interesting. If you can produce a spinnier version, that would a good development in the right direction.
Personally, I'd also like to a see a stiffer / lower powered version. That could legitimately be called 'ZX Pro'.
I am still enjoying my Kevlar zx hybrid in my blade. I pre stretched both strings thoroughly this time, and it makes a huge difference in strong bed consistency over time ( I pre stretched 20 ft of Kevlar to 4 " longer relaxed length, and the zx to 6" longer relaxed length). I now have 20 h on this stringed and I have not noticed any difference in tension or playing characteristics since day 1. Still better bite and better control than fresh poly. The Kevlar and zx seem to protect each other well from wear. The ball side surface of the Kevlar is a little rough though from ball friction.
Also, to those asking about 1.22 vs 1.27 versions of zx. I play tested both in full bed, and hardly noticed a difference- same basic characteristics
I have purchased a reel of the natural color in 1.27. I hope that the surface properties are the same as for the red version, because I have not tried the natural yet
I am still enjoying my Kevlar zx hybrid in my blade. I pre stretched both strings thoroughly this time, and it makes a huge difference in strong bed consistency over time ( I pre stretched 20 ft of Kevlar to 4 " longer relaxed length, and the zx to 6" longer relaxed length). I now have 20 h on this stringed and I have not noticed any difference in tension or playing characteristics since day 1. Still better bite and better control than fresh poly. The Kevlar and zx seem to protect each other well from wear. The ball side surface of the Kevlar is a little rough though from ball friction.
Also, to those asking about 1.22 vs 1.27 versions of zx. I play tested both in full bed, and hardly noticed a difference- same basic characteristics
I have purchased a reel of the natural color in 1.27. I hope that the surface properties are the same as for the red version, because I have not tried the natural yet
I am still enjoying my Kevlar zx hybrid in my blade. I pre stretched both strings thoroughly this time, and it makes a huge difference in strong bed consistency over time ( I pre stretched 20 ft of Kevlar to 4 " longer relaxed length, and the zx to 6" longer relaxed length). I now have 20 h on this stringed and I have not noticed any difference in tension or playing characteristics since day 1. Still better bite and better control than fresh poly. The Kevlar and zx seem to protect each other well from wear. The ball side surface of the Kevlar is a little rough though from ball friction.
Also, to those asking about 1.22 vs 1.27 versions of zx. I play tested both in full bed, and hardly noticed a difference- same basic characteristics
I have purchased a reel of the natural color in 1.27. I hope that the surface properties are the same as for the red version, because I have not tried the natural yet
Thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like the natural doesn't have the same slickness as the red. I'll probably swap the natural reel for the a reel of red.I have been trying the Kevlar/Poly and Kevlar ZX mix in the C10 Pro 56m/58c for the past month, I have 4 frames and can experiment. So far what I found was that the Ashway Kevlar has the best snapback and slides much better than others due to the braiding structure, the spirally woven Kevlars get stuck in place and don't snap back.
As a cross, I compared SP Firestrom 1.20 (which is the most powerful/softest poly I have used in the full bed, and I tried quite a few) and 1.27 ZX Natural. Benefits of ZX in the cross is the livelier feel on every shot, especially on serve. Kevlar/Poly is terrible for flat serves, my first serve speed dropped by about 10 mph, but with ZX cross I am able to reclaim much of it back.
However, unlike travlerajm's experience, the Ashway 18 & 17g mains in my C10 Pro did not snap back on the ZX cross, almost immediately after the fist session. Of course after some silicone spray they did again, but that did not last long. Also, I felt that control was not as good after a few sessions as it was with poly, so in fact the playability did not last as long, possibly due to the lack of snapback and not tension loss. I cut it out even so the Kevlar mains were still in perfect shape. On the other frame with firestorm, the mains are all scuffed up, yet snapback perfectly after numerous hitting sessions. Also, I found that the ZX crosses moved vertically up the kevlar mains more than poly, since Kevlar does not notch as quickly, you really have to straighten your crosses out the first few hitting sessions, even with poly. I ordered some volkl cyclone tour and polystar turbo which are gear shaped to keep this from happening, will see if that works.
So travlerajm, perhaps the red ZX has a different surface from the natural ZX, because my experience with snapback was the opposite. I would order a set of natural ZX and try it first before starting that reel and realizing that it's not the same string surface as the red stuff, so this way you could still return it. I have two sets of Natural ZX I might try to exchange for red and see if it works better.
Thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like the natural doesn't have the same slickness as the red. I'll probably swap the natural reel for the a reel of red.
Thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like the natural doesn't have the same slickness as the red. I'll probably swap the natural reel for the a reel of red.
I have a 22X15 stringbed and its very dense. Wouldnt the 17 gauge be better than the 16 gauge in a denser stringbed than rather a 16X10, or a
16X18/19
My racket needs more power and has great control because its dense, what do you think? Do you think I should add more control over its high control or too much control is useless because it gets to a point where you cant get any more control?
Interesting.
Julian, can you shed any light on why the red ZX might be slipperier than the natural color?
The color on the natural is the color of the raw material with no added dye. The red has a dye added which makes it minutely stiffer.
I am not aware of any difference in the surface properties between red and natural. The only difference between colors that I am aware of is that the red should be slightly (so slight that most wouldn't even notice) stiffer than the natural.
The color on the natural is the color of the raw material with no added dye. The red has a dye added which makes it minutely stiffer. I seriously doubt this would affect the surface properties. Much more likely that racquet, stringing, and player style variables are causing the difference noted here.
Stiffer usually means firmer, which is slipperier on the surface
This is something we have talked about. Definitely a future possibility.
Thanks for the heads-up. Sounds like the natural doesn't have the same slickness as the red. I'll probably swap the natural reel for the a reel of red.
Thanks Trav, well, the last two mains would not effect the density of the string pattern in the middle.
I don't see how the pre-stretch of ZX could have helped with snapback, but a pre-stretched Kevlar might, as the tension drop would be less. I also strung mine at 56lb, but did not pre-strech.
I guess I might have to try a set of the red stuff just to be sure it is not just the 16x19.
Ok, thinking more about this statement I made earlier "This is definitely caused by the fact that there is a lot more friction since the force is over a smaller area, thinner string. This should be overcome with polyester because it is flat." This seems to be false, as the friction should be the same and the diameter should not make a difference. Maybe the ultra thin cross digs into the mains more, so that might be causing more friction from the notching. I don't know.
Here is a question I would like to ask. If you string your poly mains on top of your crosses without interviewing them, do you get more spin than with a regular setup? Since this would make the thinnest possible cross, right?
From my personal experience the answer is not exactly. I can't say that the answer is no, but the spin I was getting was not a heavy spin, I am not sure how to describe this.
The problem with this setup, is that you want the mains to have some energy pushing back as you push against them. If you just string your mains on top of the crosses, without weaving them, the poly mains don't have enough force to snapback, at least not at normal tensions, but maybe if strung at 100lb that would be different. Now people will bring up Spaghetti strings, which I have also experimented with. These are also not interwoven, but the mains are all tied together, so when one pushes a main they all move, and it takes a lot more force to move a main on a Spaghetti racket than moving a main on a racket with the mains strung on top of the crosses but not tied together. Hence, you get a lot less spin with the mains on top of the crosses setup opposed to Spaghetti stringing.
Thinking about a stringed in 3 dimensions, instead of just lateral movement, means that this up hill/down hill theory should be considered as something which could play a role in snapback.
As for Alex, I also happen to own a 20 x 22 pattern racket that I experiment with. I usually go with 18x12 or 18x14 pattern, there are absolutely no need for the outside 2 mains.
You main goal here is to keep the tension "the same" on both mains and crosses so not to deform the racket. You can try to use math to figure that out, but it doesn't quite work like that, or we would not be stringing our 18x20 or 16x19 frames at the same tension for mains and crosses. Rackets are designed to have more crosses than mains, and the different is built into the racket, so you will need a lot more tension on the crosses to keep you 22x15 from deforming, and I mean A LOT more. Your racket is the Micro, and is supposed to have 30 crosses, if you strung the whole thing at 50lb, that would put 1500 lb on the crosses and 1,100 on the mains. I am not sure if pro kennex advised a difference in tension for mains and crosses for this racket, it would seem necessary. If we assume they did not advocate a difference (which would seem strange), than you need a ratio of 1100/1500, or a ratio of 0.73. We know that ZX can only handle 60lb max tension, so 60x15=900lb, than 900x0.73= 657lb, and divide that by 22 mains = 30 lb. So if you want to pursue this 22x15 pattern, you will need to do the mains at 30 lb and crosses at 60 lb to keep the frame from deforming, in theory.
I suggest you ditch 2 mains on each side and go with an 18x15 pattern, it will play softer and you will never miss those side mains. In that case you can do the crosses at 60 lb and the mains at 37 lb, and if you want to account for tension loss with Kevlar, probably bump the mains to 40-42lb. But now it gets really tricky because tension loss is different for different materials at different tensions, and here I really don't know any other solution but trial and error. Also, not sure you can get away stringing ZX pro at 60, it's a delicate string and might not be able to take it.
Thanks Trav, well, the last two mains would not effect the density of the string pattern in the middle.
I don't see how the pre-stretch of ZX could have helped with snapback, but a pre-stretched Kevlar might, as the tension drop would be less. I also strung mine at 56lb, but did not pre-strech.
I guess I might have to try a set of the red stuff just to be sure it is not just the 16x19.
Stiffer usually means firmer, which is slipperier on the surface
Torres, do you live in London? I saw your post a while back about the London Tennis Knockout final, with the video and questions about the player ratings. If you are, lets play some tennis?