Agnieszka Radwanska not mentally tough as I thought she was.

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Amelie Mauresmo

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Wow, I AM SO DISAPPOINTED, I really wanted Aga to win this match. The worst part is Aga choked a a 3-0 lead in the final set and also have a 6-5 and 7-6 lead in the final set and Agnieszka couldn't close out Sabine Lisicki. This loss is going to hurt Aga for a while I think. This is so disappointing she had the biggest opportunity to reach her second Wimbledon final. Aga has a 7-0 record against Marion Bartoli, and she blew it.

I hope Aga can overcome this, but this young woman needs more power in her game, if she had a better serve I think she would have won this match. Aga's serve needs to improve even more than before.

I thought Aga was mentally tough, but today she proved she's not, a chance of a life time to win Wimbledon and she let it slip through her fingers. Very disappointed.

The US OPEN isn't going to be great for Aga she hasn't reached even the quarterfinals in New York. I don't know what happened to Aga this year she started off so well winning Auckland and Sydney then blew her QF match against Li Na. Aga had a poor spring, did reach the French Open QF for the first time but losing to Sara Errani a player she dominated 6-1 in the QF was a shock.

Now, Aga, reaches her second Wimbledon semifinal has a chance to win and reach her second career slam final yet CHOKES to Lisicki, very disappointing.

Aga, blew it due to nerves, she wasn't as mentally strong as last year she hasn't reached a final since January.
 
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AtomicForehand

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Come on. A-Rad is one of the smallest, slightest players on tour. She is always vulnerable to power hitters, and Sabine, when she goes on a hot streak, is just fabulous. Sabine just got hot at the right time. She has bigger weapons than Aga, and when she has access to them, there's not much the clever Pole can do.
 
Gandalf

Gandalf

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WTA is terrible these days. 80 pound woman playing a wooden racket level of tennis almost reaches a GS final. Again.
 
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Amelie Mauresmo

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AtomicForehand said:
Come on. A-Rad is one of the smallest, slightest players on tour. She is always vulnerable to power hitters, and Sabine, when she goes on a hot streak, is just fabulous. Sabine just got hot at the right time. She has bigger weapons than Aga, and when she has access to them, there's not much the clever Pole can do.
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So what is your point? Justine Henin is smaller than Aga she's 5 foot 5, Aga is 5'8 she's not a tiny woman she's slight true not not small.

Changes need to be made in Aga's game, Lisicki didn't play great Aga let the pressure of the moment get to her 3-0 in the final set of a Wimbledon semifinal had two more leads 6-5 and 7-6 YET LOST. That's a choke and Aga is not as mentally tough as last year. She BLEW a chance of a life time.

How is Aga ever going to win a slam now? I feel so bad for Aga she really wanted this bad to win Wimbledon and the worst part is she had multiple chances to win but CHOKED.
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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Henin may be shorter but is much stockier and stronger. Aga is pretty tiny even though she's taller. Look at how small her bones are and her musculature. Her legs are so THIN.

I don't agree that Aga choked. Sabine raised her game.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
It was a hard fought battle between the two players and could have gone either way. Congrats to Lisicki for coming out on top. If you're saying she isn't mentally tough because she squandered a 3-0 lead then that also holds true for Serena isn't match tough either because she also had a 3-0 lead.

Lisicki play a better match than she was playing against Serena.
 
jm1980

jm1980

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Radwanska played her usual game: extremely solid throughout the match. Like she always does against big hitters, she keeps herself in the match and waits for a drop in concentration from her opponent.

But make no mistake, the match was always on Lisicki's racket. Aga was winning her games when Lisicki did her best Kvitova impersonation, spraying DFs and errors left and right, missing by miles. Sabine also couldn't get a first serve in and her 2nd serve was subpar. That's how Randwanska got in the match.

Once Lisicki pulled it together things looked bleak for Radwanska. And it's not like she served for the match or anything, she had chances at Lisicki's service games but the German always has that card up her sleeve, that huge serve. The match should've actually ended at 6-4, but Aga did well battling back. In the end, the better player prevailed.
 
fednad

fednad

Hall of Fame
I am glad Rad lost.
I hate to see a player win when primarily (s)he relies on the opponent's unforced errors.
Sabine was the shot maker and the match was always on her racket. she hit 34 unforced errors. But guess what, she hit 60 winners as well.
Attacking players winning is always good for the game.
 
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Amelie Mauresmo

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jm1980 said:
Radwanska played her usual game: extremely solid throughout the match. Like she always does against big hitters, she keeps herself in the match and waits for a drop in concentration from her opponent.

But make no mistake, the match was always on Lisicki's racket. Aga was winning her games when Lisicki did her best Kvitova impersonation, spraying DFs and errors left and right, missing by miles. Sabine also couldn't get a first serve in and her 2nd serve was subpar. That's how Randwanska got in the match.

Once Lisicki pulled it together things looked bleak for Radwanska. And it's not like she served for the match or anything, she had chances at Lisicki's service games but the German always has that card up her sleeve, that huge serve. The match should've actually ended at 6-4, but Aga did well battling back. In the end, the better player prevailed.
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Lisicki has weapons this is true but she also has a history of inconsistency, but you are right today she definitely has put it all together.

I still think Aga had a her CHANCES to win the match it not like she didn't have a chance she did. If only Aga had a better serve, and a bit more power in her game.

I hope Aga wins a grand slam one day she's my favourite player, it would be great for the WTA if Aga wins a grand slam. Since Aga does poorly in New York, I guess I will have to hope she breaksthrough next year.

But this year, Aga hasn't played great her game has gone down a bit even the commentators said this.
 
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dafinch

Banned
fednad said:
I am glad Rad lost.
I hate to see a player win when primarily (s)he relies on the opponent's unforced errors.
Sabine was the shot maker and the match was always on her racket. she hit 34 unforced errors. But guess what, she hit 60 winners as well.
Attacking players winning is always good for the game.
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Agree with every sentence, every word, every syllable. 68 mph serves, SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-IT....
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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Sid_Vicious said:
ROFL. Radwanska hit 21 winners to Liscki's 60
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And the two players' unforced error counts?

Shows you don't know much about tennis if you think winner counts are the most important thing, or even tell most of the story.

Also, a clever player forces others into situations where they make errors.
 
augustobt

augustobt

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Lisicki did the same against the biggest "cojones" of Woman's tennis. Why not doing the same against an overachiever?
 
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Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
AtomicForehand said:
And the two players' unforced error counts?

Shows you don't know much about tennis if you think winner counts are the most important thing, or even tell most of the story.

Also, a clever player forces others into situations where they make errors.
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Thanks for the lesson Captain Obvious.

Lisicki actually ended with a better winner/UE differential.

Still, it is pretty lame to see a top tennis player resort employ such defensive tactics. You can kiss Radwanska's arse all you want. She is so clever, creative, intelligent, blah blah... Fact is, she plays overly defensive quite often.
 
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AtomicForehand

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Sid_Vicious said:
Thanks for the lesson Captain Obvious.

Lisicki actually ended with a better winner/UE differential.

Still, it is pretty lame to see a top tennis player resort employ such defensive tactics.
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I guess we weren't watching the same match. Or you have no understanding of how to evaluate one.
 
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Aura

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Different styles of games, the numbers clearly show that. They were both in the positives.

It was a great opportunity for her and she blew it, yes, but saying she wasn't mentally tough is bit untrue, imo.

It is a shame she lost the 3-0 lead, but it was only one break in a match full of breaks so it really is not a choke, especially since she lost the first set and fought back.

I would like Radwanska to do better, but too many people just destroy her second serve. I hope she improves it! Mentally i think she was fine. The issues were the booming serve of Lisicki and her second serve.
 
AtomicForehand

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Aura said:
Different styles of games, the numbers clearly show that. They were both in the positives.

It was a great opportunity for her and she blew it, yes, but saying she wasn't mentally tough is bit untrue, imo.

It is a shame she lost the 3-0 lead, but it was only one break in a match full of breaks so it really is not a choke, especially since she lost the first set and fought back.

I would like Radwanska to do better, but too many people just destroy her second serve. I hope she improves it! Mentally i think she was fine. The issues were the booming serve of Lisicki and her second serve.
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Agreed.

Also nice to hear a voice of reason. It's disgusting how many people post hateful messages around here. As soon as people become faceless via the Internet, their worst ugliness is given free reign.
 
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sundaypunch

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AtomicForehand said:
Come on. A-Rad is one of the smallest, slightest players on tour. She is always vulnerable to power hitters, and Sabine, when she goes on a hot streak, is just fabulous. Sabine just got hot at the right time. She has bigger weapons than Aga, and when she has access to them, there's not much the clever Pole can do.
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Exactly correct.

Don't you like it how people will basically say, "she just needs to hit the ball harder", as if she can magically decide to add power to her game? Her game is what is is. She is always going to be at the mercy of a big hitter that has a good day.
 
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Amelie Mauresmo

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Aura said:
Different styles of games, the numbers clearly show that. They were both in the positives.

It was a great opportunity for her and she blew it, yes, but saying she wasn't mentally tough is bit untrue, imo.

It is a shame she lost the 3-0 lead, but it was only one break in a match full of breaks so it really is not a choke, especially since she lost the first set and fought back.

I would like Radwanska to do better, but too many people just destroy her second serve. I hope she improves it! Mentally i think she was fine. The issues were the booming serve of Lisicki and her second serve.
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No Serena, No Vika, no Maria in the final YES Aga BLEW IT! The worst part if Lisicki had destroyed Aga like 6-1 6-1 I would understand it. But to be up 3-0 in the final set, and have a chance to WIN WIMBLEDON. When is Aga EVER going to get a chance like this again?

Aga was the top player in this match she knew Bartoli a player she has a 7-0 record was in the finals. This is a sad day for Aga, I wonder if Aga is EVER going to get a chance like this to win a grand slam? I hope Aga does get another opportunity and wins a grand slam one day.

Aga really needs to improve the serve more and add more power to her game. She tried hard, I give Aga that she definitely fought hard, but it is just sad that she had an opportunity to win but BLEW IT. That's a choke.
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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So where's she going to get this power from? She has the body she has. You can't go out and buy "more power" or "a bigger serve." Does this really need explaining?
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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sundaypunch said:
Exactly correct.

Don't you like it how people will basically say, "she just needs to hit the ball harder", as if she can magically decide to add power to her game? Her game is what is is. She is always going to be at the mercy of a big hitter that has a good day.
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This seems to be pretty much what OP is saying. Aga should just order up some more power from Amazon.com or something.
 
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Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
AtomicForehand said:
So where's she going to get this power from? She has the body she has. You can't go out and buy "more power" or "a bigger serve." Does this really need explaining?
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Radwanska is not as weak as you think she is. She can hit the ball harder if she wants to, but that is clearly not her style.

Simon has the build of a pigeon and hits a weak ball, but he has shown us that he is capable of hitting the ball quite hard if he commits to it.

Radwanska will never hit as hard as Serena and Sharapova, but she can definitely improve.
 
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Amelie Mauresmo

Banned
Aga can certainly improve her second serve hurt her in this match it is too slow. The second serve is weak and needs to improve. Aga and her coach need to watch the tape of this match over and over. This was a HUGE OPPORTUNITY to win Wimbledon. Will Aga ever get a chance lined up like this to win a slam again?

The first serve is alright but I think she can hit it harder. Aga definitely tried hard I commend her for giving it her all, but still to lose a 3-0 lead in a grand slam semifinal and not close it out is a huge disappointment.

Serena, Maria, and Victoria Azarenka lost, Aga was the highest player left, and now two players ranked below her Bartoli and Lisicki have the honour of becoming a grand slam champion on Saturday.

Maybe, people are right? Maybe, Aga isn't good enough to win a major?
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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Of course she could hit it harder, but at the loss of accuracy and consistency. Don't you think she hits it as hard as she is comfortable doing? Also, don't underestimate the spin she puts on the ball, which slows down the MPH.

Look, Sabine came back from being 0-3 down in the third against Serena too. If that doesn't clue you in that the girl is HOT when she gets hot, what will?
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

THUNDERVOLLEY

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Amelie Mauresmo said:
Wow, I AM SO DISAPPOINTED, I really wanted Aga to win this match. The worst part is Aga choked a a 3-0 lead in the final set and also have a 6-5 and 7-6 lead in the final set and Agnieszka couldn't close out Sabine Lisicki. This loss is going to hurt Aga for a while I think. This is so disappointing she had the biggest opportunity to reach her second Wimbledon final. Aga has a 7-0 record against Marion Bartoli, and she blew it.

I hope Aga can overcome this, but this young woman needs more power in her game, if she had a better serve I think she would have won this match. Aga's serve needs to improve even more than before.

I thought Aga was mentally tough, but today she proved she's not, a chance of a life time to win Wimbledon and she let it slip through her fingers. Very disappointed.

The US OPEN isn't going to be great for Aga she hasn't reached even the quarterfinals in New York. I don't know what happened to Aga this year she started off so well winning Auckland and Sydney then blew her QF match against Li Na. Aga had a poor spring, did reach the French Open QF for the first time but losing to Sara Errani a player she dominated 6-1 in the QF was a shock.

Now, Aga, reaches her second Wimbledon semifinal has a chance to win and reach her second career slam final yet CHOKES to Lisicki, very disappointing.

Aga, blew it due to nerves, she wasn't as mentally strong as last year she hasn't reached a final since January.
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Its not just a lack of mental strength, but she's bought into the hype that she's some sort of "smart" player (a dig at players hated by her supporters). However, as seen in her "everything including the kitchen sink" play which won a set in the 2012 Wimbledon final, she does not have a full tool box to draw on when the opponent is relentless--and talented. Serena (W final 2012) and Lisicki (W semi 2013) are such players, and they dull Radwanska's cutesy game.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Its not just a lack of mental strength, but she's bought into the hype that she's some sort of "smart" player (a dig at players hated by her supporters). However, as seen in her "everything including the kitchen sink" play which won a set in the 2012 Wimbledon final, she does not have a full tool box to draw on when the opponent is relentless--and talented. Serena (W final 2012) and Lisicki (W semi 2013) are such players, and they dull Radwanska's cutesy game.
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That would applies to Serena too. Since both Serena and Angie squandered a 3-0 lead in the 3rd set, they are mentally weak.
 
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fruitytennis1

Professional
I think i heard one of the commentators say she hit a 61mph 2nd serve...Now i don't care how much spin was on that thing, that's just not good enough
 
Lukhas

Lukhas

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Sid_Vicious said:
Radwanska is not as weak as you think she is. She can hit the ball harder if she wants to, but that is clearly not her style.

Simon has the build of a pigeon and hits a weak ball, but he has shown us that he is capable of hitting the ball quite hard if he commits to it.

Radwanska will never hit as hard as Serena and Sharapova, but she can definitely improve.
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I want to see the result of this:
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Now that would be an interesting child... :twisted:

Well, too bad Simon's already a daddy, so...
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
TMF said:
That would applies to Serena too. Since both Serena and Angie squandered a 3-0 lead in the 3rd set, they are mentally weak.
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Still living in your little world of Serena-hate? Yes, I thought so.

One is a legend, the other the recipient of unwarranted hype.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
AtomicForehand said:
This seems to be pretty much what OP is saying. Aga should just order up some more power from Amazon.com or something.
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Its called strength training and applying it to her game. Common in pro sports. Pierce was thin in her early years, and hit a workout program which transformed her into a far stronger, effective player.

Radwanska has no excuse.
 
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dominikk1985

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AtomicForehand said:
Henin may be shorter but is much stockier and stronger. Aga is pretty tiny even though she's taller. Look at how small her bones are and her musculature. Her legs are so THIN.

I don't agree that Aga choked. Sabine raised her game.
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that is true. justine used to be very thin too and became dominant when she started Lifting more weights and became stronger.

aga Needs to add a couple Pounds of muscles too if she wants to win against the big hitters. right now she only beats the hitters when they have a bad day and miss.

lisicki, serena, Maria, kvitova and other power hitters are just a lot bigger and stronger than her.
 
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kanulondon

Rookie
Agreed with the majority of comment here.

I watched the game this afternoon and Aga was simply a passenger for the majority of the game. At no point did she grab the oppurchancity to get to the finals. . . .

I just hope Lisicki turns up on Saturday otherwise Bartoli could win
 
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Amelie Mauresmo

Banned
She needs to do something today's loss was terrible because Aga was two points from winning the match. Aga is very fit, I am not saying she needs to get bulky like Jankovic, but she needs to get stronger a bigger serve could have won her the match. Aga's second serve is terrible too slow.
 
Mainad

Mainad

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Amelie Mauresmo said:
She needs to do something today's loss was terrible because Aga was two points from winning the match. Aga is very fit, I am not saying she needs to get bulky like Jankovic, but she needs to get stronger a bigger serve could have won her the match. Aga's second serve is terrible too slow.
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Don't worry. She's pretty and she's not British so I'm sure she will improve and do much better the next time she plays Wimbledon.
 
tennisaddict

tennisaddict

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OP, Radwanska is a good a player and will win a major eventually. Or she may just be like Jankovic and Dementieva, so close but never.

Lisicki deserves this Wimbledon for beating Serena.
 
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Laurie

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Despite Radwanska's typical sour puss reaction at the end, she was never in control of this match, Lisicki served for the match twice and had numerous break point opportunities in the latter stages of the 3rd set. There was only a 3rd set because Lisicki's level dropped alarmingly in the 2nd set.

Somehow Radwanska wants to believe that she can claim a big title on the back of bad play by her opponents. That is not going to happen in the latter stages of major tournaments. If Radwanska continues to act like a sour puss, she will lose even more friends and fans.
 
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tistrapukcipeht

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Amelie Mauresmo said:
Wow, I AM SO DISAPPOINTED, I really wanted Aga to win this match. The worst part is Aga choked a a 3-0 lead in the final set and also have a 6-5 and 7-6 lead in the final set and Agnieszka couldn't close out Sabine Lisicki. This loss is going to hurt Aga for a while I think. This is so disappointing she had the biggest opportunity to reach her second Wimbledon final. Aga has a 7-0 record against Marion Bartoli, and she blew it.

I hope Aga can overcome this, but this young woman needs more power in her game, if she had a better serve I think she would have won this match. Aga's serve needs to improve even more than before.

I thought Aga was mentally tough, but today she proved she's not, a chance of a life time to win Wimbledon and she let it slip through her fingers. Very disappointed.

The US OPEN isn't going to be great for Aga she hasn't reached even the quarterfinals in New York. I don't know what happened to Aga this year she started off so well winning Auckland and Sydney then blew her QF match against Li Na. Aga had a poor spring, did reach the French Open QF for the first time but losing to Sara Errani a player she dominated 6-1 in the QF was a shock.

Now, Aga, reaches her second Wimbledon semifinal has a chance to win and reach her second career slam final yet CHOKES to Lisicki, very disappointing.

Aga, blew it due to nerves, she wasn't as mentally strong as last year she hasn't reached a final since January.
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Why don't you pick up a racquet and go play to see if winning a match only depends on you?

She didn't blow anything, she is mentally strong, that's the only reason why she was there playing a semi-final. Only because she was up twice in the last set doesn't mean she was in a position of winning, specially because she wasn't serving for the match, it's common sense that serving gives you an advantage, particularly in cases of serena, Lisicki, venus, that are serve monsters in WTA.

How can you even mention about power level and game change if she has accomplished a lot considering her size, she is a tiny woman, she ain't gonna have power, that is how she plays and how she maximized her pontential based on her physical attributes, she's a great player.

If you ask me, I don't like her playing style, she is pusher (because she can't be a power hitter), she relies on people's mistakes and consistency to win, if you don't like that go cheer for someone who hits like you want them too, she won't ever be a power hitter, if there was a weight limit she probably would win in her category, but when is combined she doesn't have what it takes to beat everybody.
 
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insideguy

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Laurie said:
Despite Radwanska's typical sour puss reaction at the end, she was never in control of this match, Lisicki served for the match twice and had numerous break point opportunities in the latter stages of the 3rd set. There was only a 3rd set because Lisicki's level dropped alarmingly in the 2nd set.

Somehow Radwanska wants to believe that she can claim a big title on the back of bad play by her opponents. That is not going to happen in the latter stages of major tournaments. If Radwanska continues to act like a sour puss, she will lose even more friends and fans.
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It could happen. Not saying the odds are in her favor, but it could happen.
 
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Rob31

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tistrapukcipeht said:
Why don't you pick up a racquet and go play to see if winning a match only depends on you?

She didn't blow anything, she is mentally strong, that's the only reason why she was there playing a semi-final. Only because she was up twice in the last set doesn't mean she was in a position of winning, specially because she wasn't serving for the match, it's common sense that serving gives you an advantage, particularly in cases of serena, Lisicki, venus, that are serve monsters in WTA.

How can you even mention about power level and game change if she has accomplished a lot considering her size, she is a tiny woman, she ain't gonna have power, that is how she plays and how she maximized her pontential based on her physical attributes, she's a great player.

If you ask me, I don't like her playing style, she is pusher (because she can't be a power hitter), she relies on people's mistakes and consistency to win, if you don't like that go cheer for someone who hits like you want them too, she won't ever be a power hitter, if there was a weight limit she probably would win in her category, but when is combined she doesn't have what it takes to beat everybody.
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You know you don't need to be a giant to be able to generate good pace/power... but it's an advantage of course.
You need to have a good technique and timing first and foremost (and new racquet technologies is good help too).
Radwanska struggles to generate pace mainly because her technique is not that good particularly on the backhand side.
 
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Al Czervik

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I have nothing but respect for Radwanska after that match. She fights to the death. The match looked like it was slipping away at the start of the second and she got it back even. Losing the 3-0 lead in the third set is no big deal. The match was almost always on Lisicki making or missing. You can't blame Radwanska for lack of power in her groundies, that's just how she plays. The powder puff second serve could be worked on, I guess.
 
AtomicForehand

AtomicForehand

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THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Strength training. She is supposed to be a world class professional, so she should not accept shortcomings that can be addressed.
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How do you know she hasn't been addressing them?

Look, some people are gonna be stronger than others. Everyone can improve, sure, but the absolute degree of possible improvement is pretty much determined by genetic lottery.
 
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