What makes Federer's draw so much easier than Djokovic's

csmoove899 said:

Djokovic is capable of losing to Nadal, Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, and a number of other players in his peak. So in a way I agree with you that any draw would be tough for him by virtue of his inability to dominate his rivals, despite claims that he is the best player of his time.

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Steve0904 said:

Yes, but do we ignore all the things before Djokovic's 2011 or Stan's late 2013 or 2014.

We can't really do that. It's nobody's fault but Djokovic's that he didn't peak before 2011, and even then it was only one truly great year. His USO 2013 final performance wasn't really anything to write home about for example. He played better at the AO in 2008 in all of his matches than he did in that match. Not all of Djokovic's matches post 2011 are better than all of his matches pre 2011. It's not all encompassing like that.

It's kind of the same with Wawrinka because while his peak is better rendering the H2H slightly less important than it was in years previous he still has really crappy matches. He's not exactly the measure of consistency right?

But the real problem here is that Stan is a formidable opponent especially now EVEN on grass. That is the root of this problem. Federer was perhaps a little lucky that Stan had some sort of ailment otherwise he may have won the match at Wimbledon, but because he lost, all of a sudden he is useless on grass and only a legit foe on hard courts, but that is patently false. That is the real problem here that conway is not acknowledging.

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AssaultJoker said:

Djokovic got winning h2h against Federer, Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka since 2011 till present time. Go back to your cave.

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csmoove899 said:

Sure, when it comes to Masters events, Djokovic cares more than anyone else. But he struggles against everyone from Tsonga on clay, Del Potro on grass (their worst respective surfaces) to 33 year old Federer, let alone Nadal and Murray, who have dominated him in slams since mid-2012. Even Dimitrov was a point away from taking their Wimbledon semifinal to 5 sets. Djokovic has proven that he cannot consistently and convincingly beat anyone in the top 16 (maybe apart from Ferrer), so his fans see any and every potential draw as a nightmare for him.

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csmoove899 said:

Djokovic is capable of losing to Nadal, Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, and a number of other players in his peak. So in a way I agree with you that any draw would be tough for him by virtue of his inability to dominate his rivals, despite claims that he is the best player of his time.

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csmoove899 said:

Sure, when it comes to Masters events, Djokovic cares more than anyone else. But he struggles against everyone from Tsonga on clay, Del Potro on grass (their worst respective surfaces) to 33 year old Federer, let alone Nadal and Murray, who have dominated him in slams since mid-2012. Even Dimitrov was a point away from taking their Wimbledon semifinal to 5 sets. Djokovic has proven that he cannot consistently and convincingly beat anyone in the top 16 (maybe apart from Ferrer), so his fans see any and every potential draw as a nightmare for him.

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tennisaddict said:

Past is Past.

R1 : Current Ranking of Matosevic better than Current ranking of Schwarzman

R2 : Current Ranking of Groth better than Current ranking of Mathieu

R3 : Current Ranking of Granollers better than Current ranking of Querrey

R4 : Current Ranking of Agut better than Current ranking of Kohlscreiber

QF : Current Ranking of Dmitrov better than Current ranking of Murray


This whining needs to stop.

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President said:

My point was that the 14-2 H2H was not indicative at all of how difficult this (likely) upcoming match will be for Federer. Federer may have kicked his *** around for fun in the past, but since Stan got his act together it's been a very tough matchup for Federer.

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Chico said:

These "new" trolls. Pathetic.

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csmoove899 said:

I have already said that no one cares more than Djokovic about masters events. Players are giving him trouble left and right at the slams however. In the past 2.5 years he has won 2 slams. Only 1 more than Federer and Wawrinka, same number as Murray, and 2 fewer than Nadal in the same time period. 2011 is a distant fluke for Djokovic. Since then, he has shown his fans that he struggles against any player in the top 10 (apart from Ferrer) at slams. This is why his fans see any draw as a tough draw.

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Chico said:

Lol haw was it conspiracy vs Fed. This was conspiracy vs Djokovic who got the most difficult draws for years and for Nadal who was constantly getting cakewalks. Fed fans turn it vs Fed. LOL. :roll:

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conway said:

Again right now:

Dmitrov = Wawrinka
Murray (at his 2014 level) = Berdych

Is there anyone who seriously disputes that. So how is the draw tougher other than a slightly better non factor in the 4th round.

Heck I could see Federer playing well and still possibly losing to Dmitrov or Berdych. I honestly cant see Djokovic losing to Murray right now, or to Wawrinka on a faster court unless he plays pretty poorly. At last years U.S Open Wawrinka played incredibly well and still lost to a subpar Djokovic. Their next 2 meetings on fast courts he played reasonably well and got spanked in both. He can beat an in form Djokovic on slower courts possibly, but not faster ones. Some of that is probably that Djokovic is just a better player than Federer right now, but also suggests considering matchups element as well Federer if anything has the tougher draw.

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csmoove899 said:

Sure, when it comes to Masters events, Djokovic cares more than anyone else. But he struggles against everyone from Tsonga on clay, Del Potro on grass (their worst respective surfaces) to 33 year old Federer, let alone Nadal and Murray, who have dominated him in slams since mid-2012. Even Dimitrov was a point away from taking their Wimbledon semifinal to 5 sets. Djokovic has proven that he cannot consistently and convincingly beat anyone in the top 16 (maybe apart from Ferrer), so his fans see any and every potential draw as a nightmare for him.

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AssaultJoker said:

Nadal lost 3 times in a row to top100+ players at the most prestigious Slam. Nothing that Djokovic has done wasn't even close to a shame like that.

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csmoove899 said:

I have already said that no one cares more than Djokovic about masters events. Players are giving him trouble left and right at the slams however. In the past 2.5 years he has won 2 slams. Only 1 more than Federer and Wawrinka, same number as Murray, and 2 fewer than Nadal in the same time period. 2011 is a distant fluke for Djokovic. Since then, he has shown his fans that he struggles against any player in the top 10 (apart from Ferrer) at slams. This is why his fans see any draw as a tough draw.

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Dave1982 said:

Honestly we have just come to assume that anything less than winning a slam is considered a failure for Fed, Nadal & Djokovic. Obviously they are in part victims of their own success having won so many between them in recent times. We are witnessing what I believe will be remembered as a unique era in tennis history, to have 3 absolute legends so far ahead of the field is something we are unlikely to see again for quite some time. Djokovic has shown incredible consistency since 2011, winning a couple of slams (great effort in itself), reaching numerous finals & a current run of 20 odd semi finals...yeah he's really struggling!

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