2nd greatest player of this generation- Henin or Venus?
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
I voted Venus, but now I wish I could change my vote to Henin. Better on clay, Venus far better on grass, toss up on HC, but Henin has better slam results on HC. So I'd say the edge to Henin. Plus Henin did better on her worst surface - grass, than Venus on her worst surface - clay.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Henin because in her prime more dominant and more of an an all surface player.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Venus. Despite today's loss, still the greatest player on the greatest of all slams (time to be realistic, French Open lovers) from the Hingis - Safina eras.
grafselesfan
Banned
I would go with Henin for now. Venus could move ahead on my list if she wins more majors in the future. If she doesnt then definitely Henin because:
-three legit year end #1s to Venus's possibly 2 worthy #1 years in 2000 and 2001
-far more consistency
-atleast 1 slam for 5 straight years
-much better performances on grass than Venus's on clay
-more balanced record
-three legit year end #1s to Venus's possibly 2 worthy #1 years in 2000 and 2001
-far more consistency
-atleast 1 slam for 5 straight years
-much better performances on grass than Venus's on clay
-more balanced record
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Agree with this good post.
navratilovafan
Banned
Henin, no contest. Venus will be 30 years old by next years Wimbledon, she has already won her final slam.
Oui c'est moi.
Hall of Fame
I like Venus, a great deal more than Serena. But Henin was more special to me. If only she had consistent mental fortitude, if only.
boredone3456
G.O.A.T.
1 French Open final for Venus and no other Semi appearances and early losses in recent years there vs Henin's 2 Wimby finals and 2 Semifinals...plus dead even at the US Open and Henin also has an Aussie....sorry but its Henin by a bit.
NadalandFedererfan
Banned
There is so much stupidity in that one post I dont even know where to begin. OK for starters Serena could beat Sharapova from a wheelchair these days, and Sharapova isnt even a top 50 player all time.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahahahaa!!!!! joke of the century!
samprasvsfederer123
Banned
venus, henin has much a better chance anywhere thats not grass
Taken from deltox's post from another thread
2008 #2
2007 #7
2006 #95
2005 #11
2004 #7
2003 #3
2002 #1
2001 #6
2000 #6
1999 #4
1 year season ending #1
Can anyone say overhyped? Not sure how you can consider her the greatest of this generation when she has only been the best player once at the end of the year.
deltox
Hall of Fame
i respectfully disagree, serena has the better record book statistics, but henin was a FAR superior player to her,, although in ten years, the books will show serena was the best of this era. except the fact she cannot get the year end #1 to save her life. maybe this year, bless her heart
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Winning 4 straight slams and 5 of 6 is why people will remember her as the best, and rightfully so. If it wasn't for her knee injury, she may have won 7 of 8 slams during that stretch.
drwood
Professional
Exactly. No one really cares about year-end #1 compared with the number of Slams. Nobody thinks that Lindsay Davenport is four times as good as Venus + Serena just b/c she has four times as many year-end #1s as the two of them combined.
I'd have to say Venus over Henin: she leads their H2H 7-2, and even though Henin has been FAR more consistent (i.e. wks at #1), Venus has made MANY MORE slam finals (even though they both have 7 slams and a singles Gold medal); she'd easily have double-digit slams if not for Serena (2-6 against her in slam finals), and prime Venus (2000-2003) would beat prime Henin (2003-2007) on any surface other than clay.
deltox
Hall of Fame
same as with federers argument,
woulda coulda shouldas wont matter in 15 years.
the deciding factors about this decade will be
slam total
weeks at #1
No. of year ending #1
shields
etc etc
just like in a GOAT debate only for a smaller period of time. the #1 will weigh in quite heavily, although not as heavily as the slam count, but it will reduce the magnitude of the slam count dramatically
8 of their 9 matches were during Venus's all time peak, and before Henin's prime even started. Henin was a 0 time slam winner who had lopsided losing head to heads with Davenport, Clijsters, and Hingis as well at the time they played their 2nd last ever match, whereas Venus never came close to her mid 2000-mid 2003 level of tennis at any other point in her career.
Lionheart392
Professional
Exactly. WHY oh why do people keep bringing up that meaningless stat? It just proves that prime Venus > pre-prime Henin. Big deal. They didn't play a single match between the 2003 Australian Open and the 2007 US Open. Henin most likely would've won the majority of matches during this time, except Venus was losing too early in tournaments for them to meet.
BUT I'm not saying that this proves Henin is better either. Their H2H means NOTHING. Zilch, zippo.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Serena
-11 slams (4 AO, 1 FO, 3 Wimbledon, 3 USO)
-72 Weeks @ #1
-1 YE #1
-3 YEC Titles
-10 tier 1 championships
Henin
-7 slams (1 AO, 4 FO, 0 Wimbledon, 2 USO)
-117 weeks @ #1
-3 YE #1
-2 YEC titles
-10 tier 1 championships
H2h-Serena leads 7-6
The slam total heavily favors Serena, and I think the other totals (weeks @#1, YEC titles, tier 1 titles) are too close to favor putting Henin over Serena.
So as was stated (by the normal people lol)
1. Serena
2. Henin
3. Venus
Although I personally rate Henin over Venus I have absolutely no problem with anyone ranking Venus over Henin. They are very close and there are good arguments to be made either way to which ranks higher IMO. I just dont agree at all with the head to head as a reasonable argument given the timing of their matches. Venus even has a losing head to head with Jankovic, is Jankovic better than Venus, LOL!
Henin with proper practice and rest can comeback and whoop arse
Venus hasn't won either in Paris nor in Australia but Henin has made the finals at Wimbledon 2x and has lost to better grass court players in Williams and Mauresmo
if she wants to;she can win the trophy in Paris next year
only players that can take her down are the Williams sisters on hard courts;maybe and grass definitely but as far as clay;ain't nobody if Henin is on;don't care if your name is Venus or Serena or Sharapova
Venus hasn't won either in Paris nor in Australia but Henin has made the finals at Wimbledon 2x and has lost to better grass court players in Williams and Mauresmo
if she wants to;she can win the trophy in Paris next year
only players that can take her down are the Williams sisters on hard courts;maybe and grass definitely but as far as clay;ain't nobody if Henin is on;don't care if your name is Venus or Serena or Sharapova
