Biggest waste of talent in tennis?

Biggest waste of talent in tennis?

  • Nick Kyrgios

    Votes: 25 38.5%
  • Richard Gasquet

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Gael Monfils

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Marat Safin

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Andy Murray

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • David Nalbandian

    Votes: 12 18.5%
  • Juan martin del potro

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Kei Nishikori

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Grigor Dimitrov

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Marcelo Rios

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Total voters
    65

Halba

Hall of Fame
who do you think is the biggest waste of talent.

here are the contenders in my opinion not in any order

1. Nick kyrgios. His serve and game would be great if he even applied himself. He has the touch/feel of a federer but without any application. But its tough to say what his true talent level was, as he didnt really apply himself. Beat nadal in wimbledon at a young age, but nadal wasnt a factor on grass at that point. Beat djokovic handily in some masters tournaments. Pressed an inform federer a few times, even beat federer once, but at slam level was poor.

2. Richard Gasquet - early on, backhand looked genius but gradually fell away. He was a prodigy in the juniors and destined for great things but wasnt to be.

3. Gael Monfils - early on, the weapons and athleticism and sheer power were the awe of many. He wasted himself on show pony and a lot of injuries as well.

4. Marat Safin - guy had probably the biggest weapons in the history of the sport, yet only won 2 grand slams and easily got beaten in the other slam finals. His power level was off the chart, a true power player for only a couple of majors. With that kind of raw power, serve, he could've been great. Injuries cut him short. You dont find players like him nowadays, the closest consistent version of that is probably djokovic of 2011.

5. David Nalbandian - talent level off the chart, especially the touch/feel of the game. Especially evident in the few masters tournaments he won. At grand slam level he was much poorer. His fitness, lack of motivation and injuries cut him short.

6. Andy murray - even though 3 grand slams, in some of the major finals v federer or djokovic, he was easily beat in straight sets, with numerous periods of lacklustre, unmotivated play. Considering his high talent level, he should've done more. He had a better all round transition game than Federer at times, this was evident in the masters wins. Injuries have cut him short.

7. Juan martin del potro - Huge weapons, especially the biggest forehand in the history of the sport. Injuries cut his career short, so wasnt a waste of talent per se. but a sad end.

8. Kei nishikori - had some serious talent especially on the backhand side. dismantled novak in the us open.

9. Grigor dimitrov - had the style of federer yet did not deliver

10. Marcelo rios - good one from yester year, pleasing game for the eye. didnt do much at the slams.

My vote goes to #5- david nalbandian. Easily. guy had the genius quality of a federer but did not show up to grand slams, and was sick or injured at some of the key slam matches. He made Djokovic, Nadal and federer look foolish at one masters series event . atleast safin and murray won majors and cant be considered to be wasted talent because of this.

#3 gael monfils would be a good choice as well. early on he looked like having ridiculous talent and raw power. didnt deliver anything.
 
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Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Going with Nick and Dimitrov. Both had the tools but not the professional commitment to put it all together for a real stellar career.
 

lelopez

Semi-Pro
Marcelo Rios. JMDP nor Murray should be on this list, their careers hampered by injuries which was out of their control.
 

Halba

Hall of Fame
i think it should be nalbandian given his federer like ability and quality. The others never got to that kind of level. :unsure:
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
I think Dimitrov because of his mental issues. You saw his flashes like 2017 AO. Just always buckled. Saw him live and up close several times as well.

Most of the poll is injury issues including Nalbandian. Rios overrated.
 

lud

Hall of Fame
Kyrgios - huge serve, nothing special with others shots. Forehand is ok, has great touch and that's all. Backhand is no weapon,he's kind of slow,2nd serve is attackable.

Gasquet - backhand is world class with nothing to back up. Serve is mediocre as is forehand. Mental strength is awful.

Monfils - except his insane speed I didn't consider him as world class talent. His all shots are consistent,but nothing special and not to mention about up and downs during matches.

Safin - He will be my pick no.1. Great talent,had everything needed to win 10+ Slams. Except work ethics. With great team of coaches,physios and good motivation coach he could complete all 4.

Murray - He is all time great. Around 11-20. How many Slams he would won in any other era? We will NEVER find out.

Nalbandian - Along with McEnroe had most natural touch ever. Backhand is in top 5. However- fitness,power,work ethics,mental strength,poor serve and not good enough forehand were too much of weak to won more.

Del Potro - He did good considering Big 3 + injuries. And I don't believing in theories like 'If he was healthy ,he would won more GS'- Horseshit. You telling me he would beat Rafa at RG? Djoker at AO? Or Fed at WIM? No way. And I don't found him to be that talented. He's huge ,powerful man whos main weapon was POWER.

Nishikori - He did OK if you take his height in option. He's just too small to beat monsters like Federer,Nadal and Djokovic. Not enough weapons and not consistent enough.

Dimitrov - Yep,very very talented dude. Not because his style was similiar as Fed's style(and WTF give him Baby Fed nickname?)but because he had/still do all shots in his arsenal + speed,flexibility, apsolutely everything required to win more titles. Lack of motivation,Big 3,unconsistency, hot ladies all take part in his relatively poor career considering his talent.

Rios - He had his golden chance and he blew it like bump. Great player in his day. Lacks of power,free points on his serve,lack of work ethics..
 
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Deleted member 629564

Guest
Thats how it goes when you wont listen to grown ups and already have all the answers. 24y old and still hits 20 DFs in one match.
His average is not that bad, around 5.1 DFs per match.

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But the worst thing is his inability to stop it when it matters the most.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
None of them. They all became world-class tennis players who made enough money to help give their family a comfortable life. They all used their talents in a productive way.

I'm not going to begrudge anybody for not developing the kind of fanatical obsession with tennis that the Big 3 have. That doesn't have to do with talent.
 

Sunny014

Legend
True

Safin is the only genuine waste of talent.

His 5th set performance is also a magnificent 74%, higher than Fedal's and in the league of Djokovic

When he was on, he was a big threat for anyone
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Except Safin others in the list are trash, none of them are that talented at a GOAT level except Safin.

Waste of talent in modern times = Kyrgios
I agree. The only enormously talented players on the list are Nick, Rios and Safin. Monfils has talent, but nowhere near the level of the three already mentioned. The rest aren't anything special in the talent department. Murray became great through enormous diligence and hard work, similar to Lendl.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Monfils had all the tools to be a much more accomplished player than he is. He’s not the best at any particular thing, but he’s got a very well-rounded game with a lot of different weapons if he could have just channeled them correctly. Movement, baseline consistency when needed, exceptional power when needed, touch, flexibility, good return, good serve, etc. His problem is mainly that his first instinct is to showboat and his second instinct, when he reins in the showboating, is to be the most boring counterpuncher in the world. All the tools, but doesn’t know how to put any of them to any real tactical use. Which I guess is a talent in itself. Also his endurance has always been suspect, especially for a guy who’s otherwise so athletic.

Of course, it’s all relative. Safin and Murray probably could have each won multiple extra slams, but they already won multiple slams to begin with. Hard to say they’re the biggest wastes when they already had that level of success. And some of these guys have massive holes in their games that would keep them from achieving too much, even if they had managed to maximize their talents a la Ferrer (Gasquet with his forehand, for example). So I’d probably pick Monfils from this list.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
I don't consider guys like Monfils, Nishikori, Gasquet or Dimitrov wastes of talent. They could've had a slightly better career maybe, but not too much. If they were meant to have such exceptional careers, they would've hard better results period. They had/have the career they are supposed to have.

Kyrgios because of his attitude. If he was a hard-worker like the top players, he would be in the top10 and quarterfinals of every majors.

Delpotro because of his numerous injuries... If he had avoided them, he would've had a career comparable to Murray, imo.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
3 gael monfils would be a good choice as well. early on he looked like having ridiculous talent and raw power. didnt deliver anything

A worthless clown. He does not take tennis seriously. And we do not take him seriously.
 

Adv. Edberg

Legend
Gasquet for sure.

People who put Kyrgios have no clue and are mesmerised by low profile clown

well the so called goat has never taken a set off Kyrgios despite Kyrgios just being a part time player who doesn’t even like tennis that much.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Safin achieved a lot more than people think, not just 2 majors, but world number 1, masters titles, Davis Cup wins, reached semis of every major, and owned 2008 Djokovic more than anyone else. Not bad for such an underachiever who had a volatile temper like Ivanisevic. And some of those old matches at majors featuring Safin are classics to watch, like 2002, 2004-2005 (even 2007) Australian Open matches, really entertaining on almost every level. He could be really funny, really angry, and brilliant at tennis.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
who do you think is the biggest waste of talent.

here are the contenders in my opinion not in any order

1. Nick kyrgios. His serve and game would be great if he even applied himself. He has the touch/feel of a federer but without any application. But its tough to say what his true talent level was, as he didnt really apply himself. Beat nadal in wimbledon at a young age, but nadal wasnt a factor on grass at that point. Beat djokovic handily in some masters tournaments. Pressed an inform federer a few times, even beat federer once, but at slam level was poor.

2. Richard Gasquet - early on, backhand looked genius but gradually fell away. He was a prodigy in the juniors and destined for great things but wasnt to be.

3. Gael Monfils - early on, the weapons and athleticism and sheer power were the awe of many. He wasted himself on show pony and a lot of injuries as well.

4. Marat Safin - guy had probably the biggest weapons in the history of the sport, yet only won 2 grand slams and easily got beaten in the other slam finals. His power level was off the chart, a true power player for only a couple of majors. With that kind of raw power, serve, he could've been great. Injuries cut him short. You dont find players like him nowadays, the closest consistent version of that is probably djokovic of 2011.

5. David Nalbandian - talent level off the chart, especially the touch/feel of the game. Especially evident in the few masters tournaments he won. At grand slam level he was much poorer. His fitness, lack of motivation and injuries cut him short.

6. Andy murray - even though 3 grand slams, in some of the major finals v federer or djokovic, he was easily beat in straight sets, with numerous periods of lacklustre, unmotivated play. Considering his high talent level, he should've done more. He had a better all round transition game than Federer at times, this was evident in the masters wins. Injuries have cut him short.

7. Juan martin del potro - Huge weapons, especially the biggest forehand in the history of the sport. Injuries cut his career short, so wasnt a waste of talent per se. but a sad end.

8. Kei nishikori - had some serious talent especially on the backhand side. dismantled novak in the us open.

9. Grigor dimitrov - had the style of federer yet did not deliver

10. Marcelo rios - good one from yester year, pleasing game for the eye. didnt do much at the slams.

My vote goes to #5- david nalbandian. Easily. guy had the genius quality of a federer but did not show up to grand slams, and was sick or injured at some of the key slam matches. He made Djokovic, Nadal and federer look foolish at one masters series event . atleast safin and murray won majors and cant be considered to be wasted talent because of this.

#3 gael monfils would be a good choice as well. early on he looked like having ridiculous talent and raw power. didnt deliver anything.
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Kyrgios - overrated talent with clear limitations; also a part time tennis player, but a full time clown

Gasquet - overrated talent because of pretty BH, average everywhere else

Monfils - great physical talent, but never managed to develop top level groundstrokes or footwork

Safin - should have won more Slams based on his level ceilling, but still put together a iconic performance against Sampras and one of the most impressive Slam runs at AO 05, on top of other stuff - wasted talent in terms of how much bigger his career could have been, but otherwise still got it together and reached his best form at some point

Murray - just no; he got Lendl, which pretty much exploited his game to it's fullest and then made some adjustments to have good seasons in 2015-2016 after the back surgery; he only wasted some of his career during 2009-2011, when he underperformed in Slams

Nalbandian - tricky one; he never had the physical ability to hang with the very best in Slams over multiple matches, but he had huge talent in terms of shotmaking and game feel; wasted talent in the sense that he never truly fixed his issues;

Rios - Slam mug with the same strengths as Naldandian; I generally think players that show up a lot on highlight reels, but don't win that much tend to be overrated based on that

Del Potro - wasted years of prime, but at least managed to reach his top level when healthy; kinda the same situation as Safin

Nishikori - too frail to be a truly elite player, made the most out of his game when healthy

Dimitrov - he could be close to the top of the list, I still can't say if he truly had the level and was only held back by injuries and poor mentality; great physical ability, great power and explosiveness, balanced by a kinda wacky BH and not enough consistency

From the perspective of health/longevity it would be Safin or Del Potro. Both are proven talents, but never managed to maximize on their achievements.

From the perspective of never taking it a level higher, Nalbandian and Rios and maybe, maybe Dimitrov, but not sure.


The rest had flaws of different nature, so I deem them as "not as talented as people think".
Murray even being in the poll is wack though.
 
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OhYes

Guest
well the so called goat has never taken a set off Kyrgios despite Kyrgios just being a part time player who doesn’t even like tennis that much.
So called goat was losing here and there in that year easily and everybody knew he was having elbow problems only Saint Kyrgios didn't
And now you apparently
 

Halba

Hall of Fame
I think Dimitrov because of his mental issues. You saw his flashes like 2017 AO. Just always buckled. Saw him live and up close several times as well.

Most of the poll is injury issues including Nalbandian. Rios overrated.
Nalbandian mostly sickness and injury. Eg gastro v fed match in rg once.
 

Halba

Hall of Fame
I’ve requested mods to add ernests gulbis to the poll I think he’s right up there for wasted talent choices. Safin would be a top pick too because his easy power was bigger than Djokovic or Federer. The level of his big hitting in the 2005 ao was the highest I’ve ever seen

Other left field picks could be a big server like Joaquim johanson famous for that epic serving contest versus Agassi in the ao. One of the biggest servers I’ve ever seen

Another choice could be jo Willy Tsonga. After bursting on to the scene injuries cut his career potential. Blew away a prime Rafa with ease something that only Novak can do nowadays. He was always an early threat at the majors.
 
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Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Gasquet was once upon a time hyped as the next big star in tennis. Many people forget that he emerged around the same time as Nadal and slightly before Murray/Djokovic were well known. He showed some genuine promise but never delivered on it. He's probably the biggest waste of talent.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
I’ve requested mods to add ernests gulbis to the poll I think he’s right up there for wasted talent choices. Safin would be a top pick too because his easy power was bigger than Djokovic or Federer. The level of his big hitting in the 2005 ao was the highest I’ve ever seen

Other left field picks could be a big server like Joaquim johanson famous for that epic serving contest versus Agassi in the ao. One of the biggest servers I’ve ever seen

Another choice could be jo Willy Tsonga. After bursting on to the scene injuries cut his career potential. Blew away a prime Rafa with ease something that only Novak can do nowadays. He was always an early threat at the majors.

Johansson suffered a serious shoulder injury or maybe back but it killed his career and again on Safin the guy got injured a lot and ultimately that took him out. On Gulbis, I think it was another hype train situation. Myself and many others DID expect him to be a rising star but not 5+ Slam type of player. He was the only guy to take a set off Rafa at 2008 Wimbledon prior to the final and people took notice but down the line you saw more of his limitations in actually stringing together enough wins. He had very few deep runs of note including 2010 Rome and 2014 French but even in those runs you saw his limitations.

Gasquet was once upon a time hyped as the next big star in tennis. Many people forget that he emerged around the same time as Nadal and slightly before Murray/Djokovic were well known. He showed some genuine promise but never delivered on it. He's probably the biggest waste of talent.

I think the cocaine issue took off and he was already fragile before that scrutiny. Overall though you can also chalk it up to an early bloomer where we expected him to keep progressing but that was just it. It's not like he had a protracted reputation for choking or melting under pressure like a Dimitrov. He lost matches he pretty well was expected to lose. A fun what if would be if he beat Tsonga at the 2008 AO, never know.
 
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Deleted member 770948

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This year the biggest waste of talent is Nadal, with 8 double-faults in the RG SF and the easiest missed volley, despite Mark Woodforde saying that very fortnight that Nadal is the #1 volleyer in the world.
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Yugram

Legend
Nadal. We wouldn’t even talk about Federer or Djokovic as GOAT contenders right now had Nadal started developing his serve around 2006.
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
Of the current crop I think Zverev has no. 1 potential but hasn't been able to consistently unlock it. Kyrgios could be a top 10 guy if he committed himself more. I'll also add Fucsovics, who I think has the game to be a consistent top 20 player with top 10 spells (a bit RBA) but lacks mentally.
 
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