Can a UTR 7 girl who placed at state self-rate as 4.0?

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

To each his/her own, but if you do play USTA, and especially if you captain, try estimate how much time you've spent on things relating to tennis but not actually on the court playing tennis...

But that's just the minutiae; hardly any of it is drama [IME].

 

[Chalkdust]

But that's just the minutiae; hardly any of it is drama [IME].

Fair enough, and I guess if one enjoys it, and the politicking, and the dealing with teammembers' angst, then one wouldn't view it as drama.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Fair enough, and I guess if one enjoys it, and the politicking, and the dealing with teammembers' angst, then one wouldn't view it as drama.

I don't enjoy politicking and player angst; I just don't see much of it.

 

[Creighton]

The 40+ team I captain makes it to sectionals just about every year. However, I am really beginning to hate USTA tennis.

I guess it depends on your section and how easy it is to get to sectionals. But if you get to sectionals every season in Southern where I play, that means you got multiple players playing below their actual level. To do it every year, would be insane.

 

[LOBALOT]

I guess it depends on your section and how easy it is to get to sectionals. But if you get to sectionals every season in Southern where I play, that means you got multiple players playing below their actual level. To do it every year, would be insane.

I hear the south is pretty good. All I can say is over the past 4 years every player on me team has been computer rated. I have lost 1 player each of the last 2 years nor have I had a DQ on this team over all the years that I have captained it.

 

[Moveforwardalways]

To each his/her own, but if you do play USTA, and especially if you captain, try estimate how much time you've spent on things relating to tennis but not actually on the court playing tennis...

Agree that captains (and everyone else) should do the math on whether it works for them. And if it doesn’t work, then don’t do it. However, thousands of people keep doing it.

 

[Creighton]

I hear the south is pretty good. All I can say is over the past 4 years every player on me team has been computer rated. I have lost 1 player each of the last 2 years nor have I had a DQ on this team over all the years that I have captained it.

Ah looking at your section, it appears your districts is like a two team playoffs. So that makes making sectionals much easier. Here, our districts will have 12 teams which is I believe if substantially more than even your sectionals.

 

[LOBALOT]

Ah looking at your section, it appears your districts is like a two team playoffs. So that makes making sectionals much easier. Here, our districts will have 12 teams which is I believe if substantially more than even your sectionals.

It depends on the given year but our District has 5-6 teams per year in that age group and then usually just 1-2 at states before sectionals.

 

[Chalkdust]

Agree that captains (and everyone else) should do the math on whether it works for them. And if it doesn’t work, then don’t do it. However, thousands of people keep doing it.

Completely agree. From my experience, there are many people who enjoy the meta-game perhaps more than the game itself. Meaning team-building, lineup strategizing, scouting the opponents' records, etc. Kind of like some people enjoy the activity of cooking / baking more than they actually enjoy the act of consuming the end product. Personally, I'd rather be eating and then working it off on the court!

 

[strcmp]

side note, the most egregious recruit-a-ringer i've seen was a men's 4.0 team that recruited a foreign player with atp points.
he didn't speak much english (at the time), was playing to meet folks in the area, etc...
anywho, he played through 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 before eventually getting bumped up...
i recall getting double bageled by him in what was probably record time for my tennis career (he s&v'd and c&c'd me)...

Was this in NJ? and a guy named Fabian? Lol sounds exactly like the ringer I know of. 4.0 -> 5.0 progression. Not sure if he had atp points, but played Futures.

 

[nyta2]

Was this in NJ? and a guy named Fabian? Lol sounds exactly like the ringer I know of. 4.0 -> 5.0 progression. Not sure if he had atp points, but played Futures.

ny, like 20y ago.
i can see why this stuff happens... if you're new to an area, it can be hard to meet new tennis folks (especially back then without internet), so he did what even i have done (on a lower scale (eg. playing down to 3.0-3.5))... find anything/anywhere and start competing (usta, tourneys, etc...), and you'll quickly find or get introduced to appropriately skilled people, and eventually bubble up to where you belong

 

[CosmosMpower]

UTR7 girl should be like 5.0. Heck UTR7 around here is a sandbagging 4.0 man or low/mid 4.5 legit player.

 

[J_R_B]

Was this in NJ? and a guy named Fabian? Lol sounds exactly like the ringer I know of. 4.0 -> 5.0 progression. Not sure if he had atp points, but played Futures.

The worst around here is similar - a guy who was a hitting partner for the Argentinian Davis Cup team (i.e. Del Potro, etc...) was self-rated at 4.0. He was DQ'd from 4.0 and played as a 4.5 C the following year. Schmke looked at his matches from that 4.5 year and he said he likely would have had 12 strikes if he had those results as a 4.5 S. He registered on a 5.0 team the following year, but never played and hasn't been seen in the league since, so I guess maybe he went back home.

This is in reference to the infamous Fabian. The same 4.0 captain, who is one of the few in this area with really no morals, registered a guy 2 years later whose bio as a teaching pro (at a certain NJ club owned by a former WTA pro) includes references to playing for the Egyptian national team and holding ITF points. He beat my #1 singles player 6-0 6-0 in about 25 mins while bragging about his national ranking at each changeover. He had no idea what 4.0 tennis was supposed to be, but that captain sure did. I got him DQ'd on a self-rating grievance. LOL.

 

[strcmp]

This is in reference to the infamous Fabian. The same 4.0 captain, who is one of the few in this area with really no morals, registered a guy 2 years later whose bio as a teaching pro (at a certain NJ club owned by a former WTA pro) includes references to playing for the Egyptian national team and holding ITF points. He beat my #1 singles player 6-0 6-0 in about 25 mins while bragging about his national ranking at each changeover. He had no idea what 4.0 tennis was supposed to be, but that captain sure did. I got him DQ'd on a self-rating grievance. LOL.

Yea I think he moved back to South America. I see. I guess you have quite a history with him then

 

[J_R_B]

Yea I think he moved back to South America. I see. I guess you have quite a history with him then

I never had the pleasure of playing against Fabian. There were 2 flights the year he was 4.0, and that team was in the other one (and my team didn't make districts, but he was DQ'd before districts anyway). The league had one 10 team flight 2 years later when the guy brought in the other world class ringer from Egypt and I had to deal with that. I was at the district playoffs in the year in between and saw Fabian playing in the 4.5 districts. His play was effortless and really a treat to watch. The irony of that playoffs was that his team advanced, but only because another team there had a bunch of high school kids who beat them (not Fabian's court though) but had 3 of the kids DQ'd en masse. Those kids were good, but their DQ allowed a team with a C-rated world class player to advance. It didn't sit well with me.