Clash tour vs Gravity Pro, Stability

[panda5566]

Hi all,

Clash tour vs Gravity Pro:
Which one is more stable and comfortable?

Long story short, I'm deciding between these 2, and not looking at others anymore. I'm mainly looking for a lighter, but stable racket without customization, because I'm used to a stable racket that's like point and shoot. Unfortunately no Demo programs here, so I read a lot of reviews. The information I got was mostly that the Gravity pro is very stable with plow through even without customization and the Clash tour is super soft but "stable" at the same times. Clash tour obviously will have more power/spin and very easy to use, but what if we compare the two in terms of stability and comfort. Easy to use can kinda translate into comfort too IMO. I'm sure lots of you already demo'd both or even bought them, please share your experience with me

Thanks~

 

[gazz1]

Gravity Pro requires better technique than clash...I know because I have the Pro and don’t have the technique
It’s a more challenging racket to play with but rewarding when you get your mechanics right.
The clash is much more forgiving...I really feel like it’s a strong beginner/intermediate racket.
It has easy power and spin, but less control the the gravity pro IMO. I own it also a really didn’t like it...other than the exceptional comfort

 

[panda5566]

So clash tour is very comfy with power, but is it stable without lead tape? Like point and shoot stable?

On tw review score, the gravity pro has very good stability score, a few points less than RF 97, and I really liked RF 97's outstanding stability.
Is the tw review accurate with the gravity pro?

 

[dr. godmode]

Imo these racquets are not comparable at all. The gravity pro is for advanced players only. It's high swing weight demands great technique and thin beam means power needs to come from the player. The clash tour is super user friendly and its flex is too unpredictable for advanced players. It's a great comfort racquet for anyone between 3.0 and 4.5

 

[panda5566]

Imo these racquets are not comparable at all. The gravity pro is for advanced players only. It's high swing weight demands great technique and thin beam means power needs to come from the player. The clash tour is super user friendly and its flex is too unpredictable for advanced players. It's a great comfort racquet for anyone between 3.0 and 4.5

Is clash tour stable enough without customization ?

 

[Wheelz]

Yes, I think that's one of it's assets. On paper, you can see the 14ishtwistweight.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

imo
the Wilson.clash.tour is a good racquet for a larger group of players (3.5s-4.5s)
the gravity.pro is also good, but a bit better for a smaller experienced group (4.0-...)

if your a chronic string breaker,, go with the h.grav.pro,
if your mainly looking for more comfort, ide go with the w.clash.tour

if your in your 20s-30s, go with the h.grav.pro
if your in your 40s-.., go with the w.clash.tour

one final point
the paint on the w.clash.tour is velvety soft feel, prone to rubbing off
the paint on the h.grav.pro is baked in, more durable

 

[dr. godmode]

Is clash tour stable enough without customization ?

Depends who you are playing against but in general yes

 

[Flying_Axe]

Both very stable but suiting different style of play. Gravity is precise and can create penetrating shot. Clash is hard to kill the ball, but with fantastic spin, you can drive your opponent out of the court to build your strength.

 

[PD1978]

I have both. Prefer the GP as the Clash is a bit to erratic for me but I like it’s balance better.

I find both stable but you mentioned you wanted a light racquet, the GP is not light.

Check out the Gravity Tour as well. I use that for doubles and like it a lot.

 

[alpenglo]

Okay, here's my take on both sides of this fence. I own a Clash 100 that's weighted-up to a 335 SW, 8 pts HL (so essentially a Tour/Pro) as well as a Gravity Pro with a 343 SW and 4 pts HL balance. Offhand, the Clash is much more headlight for a similar SW, offers somewhat easier to access spin, and is crazy stable. That said, the thin beam of the Gravity makes the face *feel* a lot larger than the Clash's, and heavy spin seems more reliable somehow. The amount of power is actually comparable between the two although more consistent and easier to control in the Gravity (that said, I can serve slightly harder with the Clash, YMMV). Stability is also similar, but the Clash has very muted feel at impact--feel is significantly better in the Gravity. The Clash's mushy response doesn't bother me at the net (not my forte...), but it really dims my senses in a groundstroke exchange. Honestly, if my copy of the GPro had a 335 SW I would ditch the Clash (currently serving as my doubles racquet), but it doesn't so I won't.

 

[dr325i]

I was very pleasantly surprised with the Gravity pro from all angles -- stability (was concerned with the thin beam + wide hoop), power (was concerned with the soft layup and thin beam), control (string spacing)...
The racket is definitely for advanced technique, therefore, used by Zverev, Barty, Rublev with minimal adjustments, however, very forgiving, great spin.
Make sure you pick one that will fit your spec because the spec margins are wide!

 

[Thiem's 1HB]

Clash Tour is super stable. Don't forget that its got a 24mm beam.

Gravity Pro is only really stable once you get it moving and you can use that mass. 20mm thin beams do not make for a stable hoop without mass behind it.

 

[alpenglo]

Clash Tour is super stable. Don't forget that its got a 24mm beam.

Gravity Pro is only really stable once you get it moving and you can use that mass. 20mm thin beams do not make for a stable hoop without mass behind it.

I believe it's a racquet's twist weight that creates the feeling of "stability", and twist weight is more a function of mass at the sides of the hoop rather than frame thickness (although thicker certainly also could also mean more massive). In any case, the Clash Tour and Gravity Pro have similar twist weights.

 

[Thiem's 1HB]

I believe it's a racquet's twist weight that creates the feeling of "stability", and twist weight is more a function of mass at the sides of the hoop rather than frame thickness (although thicker certainly also could also mean more massive). In any case, the Clash Tour and Gravity Pro have similar twist weights.

I have both racquets and the Gravity Pro is nowhere near as stable without a ton of racquet speed. Beam width, beam shape and the bending characteristics of the hoop are huge factors is racquet stability, not just mass at 3 and 9.

 

[alpenglo]

I won't argue with your experience, just going by my knowledge of physics (MechE here). I wonder if Head's rather poor quality control in the Gravity line might have something to do with our differing experience? My Gravity is way more head heavy (343 SW) than the listed spec and is massively stable (overly so, as I'd like a lower SW...)--certainly as stable as my Clash. Perhaps your copy is lacking mass at the sides? In any case, I hope you've found a way to make it work for you. Cheers!

PS Just to argue when I said I wouldn't...sorry...I also own a Liquidmetal 4. Very thick beam (not sure what). To get a "stable" response from that 102 sq. in. tweener racquet I had to add 8 g of lead to the sides. YMMV, clearly!

 

[Thiem's 1HB]

I won't argue with your experience, just going by my knowledge of physics (MechE here). I wonder if Head's rather poor quality control in the Gravity line might have something to do with our differing experience? My Gravity is way more head heavy (343 SW) than the listed spec and is massively stable (overly so, as I'd like a lower SW...)--certainly as stable as my Clash. Perhaps your copy is lacking mass at the sides? In any case, I hope you've found a way to make it work for you. Cheers!

PS Just to argue when I said I wouldn't...sorry...I also own a Liquidmetal 4. Very thick beam (not sure what). To get a "stable" response from that 102 sq. in. tweener racquet I had to add 8 g of lead to the sides. YMMV, clearly!

You've got a Clash 100 though rather than the Clash Tour. They're just not the same. The Clash 100 is pretty feeble whereas the +15g of the Tour makes a very noticeable difference.

 

[alpenglo]

Okay, guess we've both spent enough time on this subject. Enjoy your racquets!

 

[Wall Ball Wizard]

If you're having issues swinging the GP, that's why they made the G Tour...

 

[netlets]

Well, I can't compare the two, but here's my take as I am a 5.0 player that uses the Clash Tour. First - the weight of the Clash Tour is 11.5 oz and the weight of the Gravity Pro is 11.7 - not very different in overall weight but the Clash Tour is a bit lighter in the head. What noone is mentioning is the string that you use in these racquets. I love the Clash Tour with Hyper G Soft at 45lbs. I hated it with a multi- which is what was on the demo from the shop. They let me string it up myself or I would never have known that I like it. The people that talk about the racquet being for 3.5- 4.5 I couldn't disagree with more. People 3.5 - 4.0 should not be using a racquet that heavy IMO. I've been told my technique is excellent. If people think this is too light for advanced players they must also think the Aero Pro, Pure Strike and Pure Drives are for beginners. The Clash flexes on touch shots, slices and balls with huge pace that are hit to you and stiffens when you create high swing speeds so you can access a ton of spin (hence the name Clash). It's really not like any racquet I've ever used, but the best description I ever heard was it's like a soft Pure Drive. It's a really amazing volleying racquet and I can generate a lot of spin and power on my grounds. I'm an all court player. Since the tech is different, Wilson says it's best to string a full bed of poly in the mid to low 40s. I can't stress enough how much the string you use and it's tension will make a difference with this racquet.

 

[shamaho]

Well, I can't compare the two, but here's my take as I am a 5.0 player that uses the Clash Tour. First - the weight of the Clash Tour is 11.5 oz and the weight of the Gravity Pro is 11.7 - not very different in overall weight but the Clash Tour is a bit lighter in the head. What noone is mentioning is the string that you use in these racquets. I love the Clash Tour with Hyper G Soft at 45lbs. I hated it with a multi- which is what was on the demo from the shop. They let me string it up myself or I would never have known that I like it. The people that talk about the racquet being for 3.5- 4.5 I couldn't disagree with more. People 3.5 - 4.0 should not be using a racquet that heavy IMO. I've been told my technique is excellent. If people think this is too light for advanced players they must also think the Aero Pro, Pure Strike and Pure Drives are for beginners. The Clash flexes on touch shots, slices and balls with huge pace that are hit to you and stiffens when you create high swing speeds so you can access a ton of spin (hence the name Clash). It's really not like any racquet I've ever used, but the best description I ever heard was it's like a soft Pure Drive. It's a really amazing volleying racquet and I can generate a lot of spin and power on my grounds. I'm an all court player. Since the tech is different, Wilson says it's best to string a full bed of poly in the mid to low 40s. I can't stress enough how much the string you use and it's tension will make a difference with this racquet.

Like you, I've got strong technique but alas in an ageing body and eye-sight so I'm forgoing beloved sticks in my sig for a couple of them Clash Tour!

I don't know a thing about "Hyper G".. think MSV Focus Hex Plus25 in 1.20 will work well in it ? I like low tensions (and don't lack control)

 

[ron schaap]

You've got a Clash 100 though rather than the Clash Tour. They're just not the same. The Clash 100 is pretty feeble whereas the +15g of the Tour makes a very noticeable difference.

You said it yourself only 15gr difference. The rest is exact the same. so why dont you put 15 gr on the right spots to make it an Tour model if you like that model more?

 

[netlets]

Like you, I've got strong technique but alas in an ageing body and eye-sight so I'm forgoing beloved sticks in my sig for a couple of them Clash Tour!

I don't know a thing about "Hyper G".. think MSV Focus Hex Plus25 in 1.20 will work well in it ? I like low tensions (and don't lack control)

I don't know MSV Focus Hex Plus - Hyper G soft (I use 16L) is an edgy string that bites the ball and is great for spin. You don't really need a power string in the Clash Pro/Tour because it has good power. The only thing that bothers me about the Clash is that when I play with someone that hits a heavy ball, the ball seems to be on the strings forever. Also, make sure you have a modern swing path. The Clash is not for flat or flatter hitters.

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Well, I can't compare the two, but here's my take as I am a 5.0 player that uses the Clash Tour. First - the weight of the Clash Tour is 11.5 oz and the weight of the Gravity Pro is 11.7 - not very different in overall weight but the Clash Tour is a bit lighter in the head. What noone is mentioning is the string that you use in these racquets. I love the Clash Tour with Hyper G Soft at 45lbs. I hated it with a multi- which is what was on the demo from the shop. They let me string it up myself or I would never have known that I like it. The people that talk about the racquet being for 3.5- 4.5 I couldn't disagree with more. People 3.5 - 4.0 should not be using a racquet that heavy IMO. I've been told my technique is excellent. If people think this is too light for advanced players they must also think the Aero Pro, Pure Strike and Pure Drives are for beginners. The Clash flexes on touch shots, slices and balls with huge pace that are hit to you and stiffens when you create high swing speeds so you can access a ton of spin (hence the name Clash). It's really not like any racquet I've ever used, but the best description I ever heard was it's like a soft Pure Drive. It's a really amazing volleying racquet and I can generate a lot of spin and power on my grounds. I'm an all court player. Since the tech is different, Wilson says it's best to string a full bed of poly in the mid to low 40s. I can't stress enough how much the string you use and it's tension will make a difference with this racquet.

I completely agree.

I have not played with the Clash too much... played with my friend's 100 for a short spell (I think - pretty sure it wasn't a Tour), but I have seen one of the coaches in my club hitting with a very advanced player (possibly Challenger level). They were blasting the ball with excellent control, spin, flat shots... everything. So the racquet is definitely not for just lower-level players. My friend is more at the lower level and plays well with it, but the coach is definitely an excellent player.

It comes down to technique. The more advanced players just need to put more work on the ball and harness the power and convert it into a greater weighted spin shot.

I wanted to ask you whether you tried the Clash 98, as well as the 100 Tour? If so, how did they compare, and what made you go with the 100 Tour?

Most of my racquets are 353-363g strung, 340s SW, more HL balance (between 6 or 7 and 9 pts HL). One of these is a weighted-up Gravity Pro (which I love), but the majority are 98sq in. or smaller.

Thanks

 

[netlets]

I tried the 98 but am used to a 100 head - better for volleying IMO. I play with mostly much younger kids and need the extra pop. I am 55 and have ITF points. I came from the Pure Drive. I’d rather not have to be set up perfectly for every shot - because I’m just not. Full disclosure as I have recently changed racquets after two years. I am using the Tecnifibre TF X-1 that came out a month ago. It is more crisp than the Clash and not as headlight (4pts instead of 9). It has a dampening system in the grip so feels a bit softer than the stiff racquets. 9pts headlight was too much for me.

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

I tried the 98 but am used to a 100 head - better for volleying IMO. I play with mostly much younger kids and need the extra pop. I am 55 and have ITF points. I came from the Pure Drive. I’d rather not have to be set up perfectly for every shot - because I’m just not. Full disclosure as I have recently changed racquets after two years. I am using the Tecnifibre TF X-1 that came out a month ago. It is more crisp than the Clash and not as headlight (4pts instead of 9). It has a dampening system in the throat so feels a bit softer than the stiff racquets. 9pts headlight was too much for me.

Thanks for getting back to me.

I do find the GP and SP easier to volley with in comparison to my other racquets. However, when I place my G360+ PMP over the GP and SP... there is very little difference in the actual head size... so it must be mostly mental.

There are many great racquets out there now. The problem is I want to try them all.