datsveryinterestin
Professional
Finally, I realized (after over 10 years of stupidity) that the SLICE serve is so important.
1) it makes good players with quick reactions have to move their feet so they can't just tee off even on a 120mph serve. <serve has not been timed so it could be 105... all i know is they don't come back when I am grooving>
2) it makes the hard one even more effective because it the returner doesn't always know it is coming.
3) with the slice serve you can really take pace off the ball and the short 60mph slice feels even more demoralizing to the opponent when they are aced by it
4) even if my toss for my slice is still a little noticeable, the ability to slice out wide or have it come into the body leaves people jammed and unable to complete a swing and it ends up hitting them right in the gut
5) on the ad side, i have a big kick serve which allows me to utilize all areas of the service box and many times i can get 2nd serve aces by either slicing it down the T or hitting the kicker and the returner who has been yelled at by his partner to watch the slice down the T is frozen because they forgot about the kicker!
My serve has been lethal lately now that I've started incorporating the slice.
I have a 4.0 groundstroke game, 3.5 volley and overhead game, but now my serve is almost 5.0 level!
The slice takes less effort, makes me more thoughtful about the points, and should extend my playing career by 30yrs(?) when I can no longer blast it.
I feel like I have a lot of options on the ad side.
1) hard down the T
2) hard body serve
3) hard out wide
4) slice T
5) kicker out wide
Deuce side
1) hard down T
2) hard body
3) slice out wide
4) slice body
5) i have a topspin 2nd serve that sort of goes to the T but isn't that great
i also think i have practiced 75% on the ad side because I had been developing my kicker which has made all of those ad serves stronger and higher percentage than the comparable deuce serve.
in fact i think my only good deuce serves are the slices.
playing up to 4.5 level opponents I have been tearing them up lately on my serve and it feels great!
although i played a 5.0+ guy who had ZERO problems returning my serve especially on the deuce side... so i know it isn't anything TOO special.
but for my local leagues my serve is a real weapon.
If my slice is slicing very much and getting hammered back or if it goes too far wide on the deuce side I quickly feel like all I've got is to go for big flat serves. So I have been thinking WHAT ELSE can I do?
Recently I've found people trying to figure out my serve by standing 8ft behind baseline so I have been adding in the occasional underhand serve. The look on people's faces is hilarious, I must admit after the first one. In doubles they look at their partner as if to say "please, tell him we weren't ready or to replay the point because its cheating.. anything!" but the partners so far have said "ok, you got us..." and it just kind of feels like the box of "anything goes" has been opened. It started as a joke and maybe a little bit because of a toe injury made me not want to put effort into more serves.. but the effectiveness has shocked me. After the first one... all i have to do is hunch over a little bit like I might do the underhand and people no longer back up. Then I can either hit a normal serve or sometimes I feel like since I have shown them the UH serve already that I can mix it in whenever now. It gets a little addicting and I start playing this mental game from that point on.
But part of me feels a little restricted as to options on the deuce side compared to the ad side. Being right handed, i utilize a much bigger area of the court by being able to slice it down the T and it swerves 5ft into the deuce court... or kick it wide and it kicks 5ft past the alley.
on the deuce side it feels like i have half the space.
i suppose the answer to this question is i just need to keep practicing my topspin serve down the T and that should be good enough. the 5.0+ guy i played against in doubles just hit hard kicks to my backhand every time on the deuce side. The first few I hit into the net and eventually I was getting them back in play but the point was neutral at best and his volleys and movement were so good that I won very few points even after hitting an ok return crosscourt.
I have a feeling he would tell me I was overthinking the serve! I have heard him tell many kids he coaches... the serve doesn't need to be fast it just needs to not be attackable!
So this is the end of my DEEP THOUGHTS on my SERVE.
I suppose if I had to respond to this myself I would say:
1. Hit the practice courts on the Deuce side.
a. practice with purpose
1. 20 topspin T serves
2. 20 flat T serves
3. 10 wide slice serves
4. 10 body slice serves
If i do that, I won't need the underhand junk at all and I can then do some clinics to raise my volleys and overheads before turning pro. lol
Thanks for listening... not sure whether to delete or post. But what the heck... posting my thoughts on my own game. I'd love to hear your feedback.
I've been resting the past 2 weeks because the pain in my big toes has gotten to be too much. I don't know if it is gout or stress fracture or probably hallux rigidus.
.. but I really push off on my serve so I am not surprised it hurts. I was really playing well right before I stopped to rest/ice my feet. So I hope it isn't anything serious and I can continue to play. I'm 44y/o so if it doesn't heal up I guess I'll be utilizing the slice exclusively and just playing crap 3.5 old man lob doubles.
oh one note is how now I see big strong guys show up at the court and they hit every shot really hard and double fault more than a few times and all i can do is chuckle to myself. but i want to cry too because that was me for 10 years. you know that guy thinks he is awesome at tennis because he hits the occasional huge ace but he actually loses most of his matches in his 3.5 ladder.
also makes me wonder what other aspects of tennis i've yet to get a clue about!
the journey of tennis... it is a long and winding road!
The End
1) it makes good players with quick reactions have to move their feet so they can't just tee off even on a 120mph serve. <serve has not been timed so it could be 105... all i know is they don't come back when I am grooving>
2) it makes the hard one even more effective because it the returner doesn't always know it is coming.
3) with the slice serve you can really take pace off the ball and the short 60mph slice feels even more demoralizing to the opponent when they are aced by it
4) even if my toss for my slice is still a little noticeable, the ability to slice out wide or have it come into the body leaves people jammed and unable to complete a swing and it ends up hitting them right in the gut
5) on the ad side, i have a big kick serve which allows me to utilize all areas of the service box and many times i can get 2nd serve aces by either slicing it down the T or hitting the kicker and the returner who has been yelled at by his partner to watch the slice down the T is frozen because they forgot about the kicker!
My serve has been lethal lately now that I've started incorporating the slice.
I have a 4.0 groundstroke game, 3.5 volley and overhead game, but now my serve is almost 5.0 level!
The slice takes less effort, makes me more thoughtful about the points, and should extend my playing career by 30yrs(?) when I can no longer blast it.
I feel like I have a lot of options on the ad side.
1) hard down the T
2) hard body serve
3) hard out wide
4) slice T
5) kicker out wide
Deuce side
1) hard down T
2) hard body
3) slice out wide
4) slice body
5) i have a topspin 2nd serve that sort of goes to the T but isn't that great
i also think i have practiced 75% on the ad side because I had been developing my kicker which has made all of those ad serves stronger and higher percentage than the comparable deuce serve.
in fact i think my only good deuce serves are the slices.
playing up to 4.5 level opponents I have been tearing them up lately on my serve and it feels great!
although i played a 5.0+ guy who had ZERO problems returning my serve especially on the deuce side... so i know it isn't anything TOO special.
but for my local leagues my serve is a real weapon.
If my slice is slicing very much and getting hammered back or if it goes too far wide on the deuce side I quickly feel like all I've got is to go for big flat serves. So I have been thinking WHAT ELSE can I do?
Recently I've found people trying to figure out my serve by standing 8ft behind baseline so I have been adding in the occasional underhand serve. The look on people's faces is hilarious, I must admit after the first one. In doubles they look at their partner as if to say "please, tell him we weren't ready or to replay the point because its cheating.. anything!" but the partners so far have said "ok, you got us..." and it just kind of feels like the box of "anything goes" has been opened. It started as a joke and maybe a little bit because of a toe injury made me not want to put effort into more serves.. but the effectiveness has shocked me. After the first one... all i have to do is hunch over a little bit like I might do the underhand and people no longer back up. Then I can either hit a normal serve or sometimes I feel like since I have shown them the UH serve already that I can mix it in whenever now. It gets a little addicting and I start playing this mental game from that point on.
But part of me feels a little restricted as to options on the deuce side compared to the ad side. Being right handed, i utilize a much bigger area of the court by being able to slice it down the T and it swerves 5ft into the deuce court... or kick it wide and it kicks 5ft past the alley.
on the deuce side it feels like i have half the space.
i suppose the answer to this question is i just need to keep practicing my topspin serve down the T and that should be good enough. the 5.0+ guy i played against in doubles just hit hard kicks to my backhand every time on the deuce side. The first few I hit into the net and eventually I was getting them back in play but the point was neutral at best and his volleys and movement were so good that I won very few points even after hitting an ok return crosscourt.
I have a feeling he would tell me I was overthinking the serve! I have heard him tell many kids he coaches... the serve doesn't need to be fast it just needs to not be attackable!
So this is the end of my DEEP THOUGHTS on my SERVE.
I suppose if I had to respond to this myself I would say:
1. Hit the practice courts on the Deuce side.
a. practice with purpose
1. 20 topspin T serves
2. 20 flat T serves
3. 10 wide slice serves
4. 10 body slice serves
If i do that, I won't need the underhand junk at all and I can then do some clinics to raise my volleys and overheads before turning pro. lol
Thanks for listening... not sure whether to delete or post. But what the heck... posting my thoughts on my own game. I'd love to hear your feedback.
I've been resting the past 2 weeks because the pain in my big toes has gotten to be too much. I don't know if it is gout or stress fracture or probably hallux rigidus.
.. but I really push off on my serve so I am not surprised it hurts. I was really playing well right before I stopped to rest/ice my feet. So I hope it isn't anything serious and I can continue to play. I'm 44y/o so if it doesn't heal up I guess I'll be utilizing the slice exclusively and just playing crap 3.5 old man lob doubles.
oh one note is how now I see big strong guys show up at the court and they hit every shot really hard and double fault more than a few times and all i can do is chuckle to myself. but i want to cry too because that was me for 10 years. you know that guy thinks he is awesome at tennis because he hits the occasional huge ace but he actually loses most of his matches in his 3.5 ladder.
also makes me wonder what other aspects of tennis i've yet to get a clue about!
the journey of tennis... it is a long and winding road!
The End
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