Djokovic needs to stop practising and having a close relationship with Zverev and Medvedev

[ghostofMecir]

All about the slice. All about the slice.

Wawrinka is the one guy who was able to punish the fact that Djokovic hated slicing. Federer hits more slices than a steakhouse chef vs Wawrinka, draws him in, Nadal also utilizes his defensive slice a lot.

Djoko on the other hand just kept getting into these pummeling rallies with Wawa, refused to come to the net and change it up more, and lost 3 winnable slams in his prime years because of it.

I don't think this is true. Djokovic's style suits Wawrinka more than Fedal's does -- he is a momentum player. Granted he is Federer's pigeon and always has been, but Federer does not really give him time to settle on his groundstrokes like Djokovic does although their matches at slams recently have been close. With Nadal, they really haven't played in slams outside of RG other than the one AO final since Wawrinka became elite, but on clay, there is no way his backhand hurts the peak Nadal forehand. I think the Wawrinka that showed up in HC slams from 2014-2016 would've been a good matchup for 2017/2019 Nadal on BO5 HC, but we'll never know how that might've panned out.

Djokovic never loses court position on the BH side usually, so he defaults to that and Wawrinka made him pay on multiple occasions. He is a bad matchup for Djokovic in the later rounds of slams because he can play himself into form and has the cardio to keep up with him off the ground into the fifth set. I think the fact that Djokovic cannot outlast him or maintain court position against him as easily as he can against some others has made Djokovic less secure against him mentally.

Wawrinka’s success vs. Djokovic in the slams is one of the strangest things honestly, and defies statistical likelihood. When looking at a their matchups, it’s very difficult to look at any tactical advantages Wawa has compared to others because in their non-slam matches, Djokovic destroys him like it’s nothing, gets into Wawa‘s serve games and holds with ease. It’s always easier for the lesser player to win best of 3 rather than best of 5, but Wawa has done the opposite.

Starting from 2013 Australian Open

Djoko’s Dominance ratio vs. Wawa at 2013 AO: 1.10
vs. Wawa at 2013 USO: 1.11
vs. Wawa at 2014 AO: 1.16
vs. Wawa at 2015 AO: 1.21
vs. Wawa at 2015 RG: .80
vs. Wawa at 2016 USO: 1.16
vs. Wawa at 2019 USO: .70

Even in the matches Djoko lost to Wawa, he was getting into Wawa’s serve games more than Wawa was getting into his, but Wawa kept on winning pressure points despite not winning them in their other matches. It’s just absolutely wild. Djokovic has only played four matches with Wawa with a dominance ratio under 1.00: 2006 Vienna when Djoko was a teen, 2015 RG, 2019 USO, and 2009 IW (.98 dominance ratio).

The statistical likelihood of a player who has never outplayed another thoroughly in dozems of matches thoroughly outplaying him in a best of 5 slam final is close to zero and yet Stan did just this. Go look at the break points saved % in non-slam matches vs. slam matches.

Wawa, some how, some way, just brought out everything he had and played to his limit multiple times against Djokovic in those slam matches when his exact same game was dismantled over and over again in non-slam matches.

 

[Keizer]

Wawrinka’s success vs. Djokovic in the slams is one of the strangest things honestly, and defies statistical likelihood. When looking at a their matchups, it’s very difficult to look at any tactical advantages Wawa has compared to others because in their non-slam matches, Djokovic destroys him like it’s nothing, gets into Wawa‘s serve games and holds with ease. It’s always easier for the lesser player to win best of 3 rather than best of 5, but Wawa has done the opposite.

Starting from 2013 Australian Open

Djoko’s Dominance ratio vs. Wawa at 2013 AO: 1.10
vs. Wawa at 2013 USO: 1.11
vs. Wawa at 2014 AO: 1.16
vs. Wawa at 2015 AO: 1.21
vs. Wawa at 2015 RG: .80
vs. Wawa at 2016 USO: 1.16
vs. Wawa at 2019 USO: .70

Even in the matches Djoko lost to Wawa, he was getting into Wawa’s serve games more than Wawa was getting into his, but Wawa kept on winning pressure points despite not winning them in their other matches. It’s just absolutely wild. Djokovic has only played four matches with Wawa with a dominance ratio under 1.00: 2006 Vienna when Djoko was a teen, 2015 RG, 2019 USO, and 2009 IW (.98 dominance ratio).

The statistical likelihood of a player who has never outplayed another thoroughly in dozems of matches thoroughly outplaying him in a best of 5 slam final is close to zero and yet Stan did just this. Go look at the break points saved % in non-slam matches vs. slam matches.

Wawa, some how, some way, just brought out everything he had and played to his limit multiple times against Djokovic in those slam matches when his exact same game was dismantled over and over again in non-slam matches.

I honestly think the "Slam" argument for Stan has some weight here. For example, he is 3-1 vs Murray in Slams since 2013 but 2-3 outside of Slams.

 

[DjokoLand]

I honestly think the "Slam" argument for Stan has some weight here. For example, he is 3-1 vs Murray in Slams since 2013 but 2-3 outside of Slams.

It’s ironic that Stans best match was AO13 level wise as he lost then RG15. After the AO13 I thought that was his one match and will never play that well again but it seemed to be a turning point