Does RPM team have better control than RPM blast?

Zaerop

Rookie
I like ALU power in my rf97, but I need a bit more spin for my forehands. I'm debating between RPM blast and RPM team. If team has better control, that'd benefit my backhands more because I hit them completely flat with almost no margin for error. ALU power is working out great for that, but will RPM team keep that great directional control on the flat shots, or at least have it better than RPM blast in that department?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
String;Stiffness;Tot Loss(51#);Energy Rtn (%) [Source TWU DB]
Head RIP Control 16; 173.2; 10.8; 95.5
Babolat RPM Team 16 Black; 306.3; 11.0; 93.5
Babolat RPM Blast 16; 267.5; 22.9; 89.7

Team is a lot stiffer, but maintains tension better and is somewhat more powerful. This for the 16 Ga. It may not apply to 17 Ga. In comparison, the polyolefin RIP Control is better in all aspects except maybe spin. But that is technique and not what you are looking for in your BH. How these numbers equate to BETTER control is up to you. If you like a firm string bed, then Team may be for you since it will maintain that feel a lot longer before dying. It certainly appears to hold tension better. YMMV
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
In my experience Team is like 4g and Blast had a child. It's fantastic. Beyond that, it has one of the least tension loss total, and most gradual tension loss when strung at 60lbs. With a fresh bed of this stuff, I really feel like I can get away with shots that I shouldn't be able to.

String stiffness=control, and reduced dwell time. This string is only second to 4g and 4g S. And as you can see from TWU research, it has similar tension retention to non poly strings. Even better than 4g towards the end of it's life.

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This is an important one: LESS DWELL TIME=MORE CONTROL. This means TEAM has most control as the string wears out, out of the strings tested:
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This article explains
polys well and highlights the benefits of RPM Team http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/deadstrings.php
 
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dgold44

G.O.A.T.
RPM team sounds like it has great tension maint.

The old polys used to go dead in hours. Amazing how fast the newer stuff has gone.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
RPM team sounds like it has great tension maint.

The old polys used to go dead in hours. Amazing how fast the newer stuff has gone.
Cyclone felt like it lost control for me within 45 minutes when I was playing with a ~360sw. Same weight setup (a bit lower SW because team is a tad bit lighter so maybe ~357) and the Team lasted 6 hours of intensive hitting and another 6 hours of light feeds etc (all sort of mixed) for giving lessons before I noticed a marginal loss in tension. It played essentially the same, maybe a bit less spin, but overall the same just at a lower tension. I'm very impressed with this string, and am a bit shocked that TW has data about it, yet no reviews are out for it from the playtest team... Conspiracy? Who knows, but more people should try this string out.
 

Allcourtguy

Semi-Pro
Cyclone felt like it lost control for me within 45 minutes when I was playing with a ~360sw. Same weight setup (a bit lower SW because team is a tad bit lighter so maybe ~357) and the Team lasted 6 hours of intensive hitting and another 6 hours of light feeds etc (all sort of mixed) for giving lessons before I noticed a marginal loss in tension. It played essentially the same, maybe a bit less spin, but overall the same just at a lower tension. I'm very impressed with this string, and am a bit shocked that TW has data about it, yet no reviews are out for it from the playtest team... Conspiracy? Who knows, but more people should try this string out.

Ranch,
which stick were you using? I see you have a SW of 360. You referenced 60lbs of tension in an earlier post, is that the tension(s) you were testing it with?
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Ranch,
which stick were you using? I see you have a SW of 360. You referenced 60lbs of tension in an earlier post, is that the tension(s) you were testing it with?
TWU research showed at 60lbs there is less % tension loss than at 50lbs. So I tried that. It is in my Graphene Pres Pro. I'm enjoying it at around a 350sw give or take depending on the day. Still trying to dial in those last 5 sw points. At 60lbs, fresh the control is absolutely unreal. It adds control well outside the sweetspot for sure. Where normally you didn't get a clean enough strike at the ball, you get plenty and the ball goes where you'd like it to. The decreased dwell time makes lower twistweights and shots outside the sweet spot more forgiving (as the bed will have less time in contact with the ball, so racquet shake won't have as much time to affect striking the ball. Plenty of power too, not at all a dead string, which seems quite counter intuitive, but it's a nice setup.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
You Wrong. many many people said it is very low powered string in this forum and i play tested it and it is and i agree.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/BRPMB18/BRPMB18review.html


Lol sorry the numbers don't lie:
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Unless of course you think TWU is incorrect... And that when they get 96-98% energy return for natural gut that is wrong too.

When I play with this string, I can definitely feel the power when flattening out the ball. It is quite lively. When going for more spin I can feel the string stiffness. It's ok though, I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully utilize this string Nostradamus. Spend more time on court, less posting on TT
 

azrael201

Rookie
Interesting that Stiffer strings is less power but stiffer racket is more power.

i think it's because stiffer strings "crush" the ball instead of providing a trampoline for it, whereas a stiff racquet does not bend or give and can transmit your swing more directly to the ball. I know what you mean though.

Also I find it strange a lot of people that reviewed RPM team said it was easier on the elbow than the blast even though it is so much stiffer? I'll never understand the disconnect between the numbers that come from compare string tool and what people write.
 

Zaerop

Rookie
i think it's because stiffer strings "crush" the ball instead of providing a trampoline for it, whereas a stiff racquet does not bend or give and can transmit your swing more directly to the ball. I know what you mean though.

Also I find it strange a lot of people that reviewed RPM team said it was easier on the elbow than the blast even though it is so much stiffer? I'll never understand the disconnect between the numbers that come from compare string tool and what people write.

That lab tests can't replicate actual playing conditions. Look how low RPM blast is on the spin potential ranks. But anybody who's actually played with it knows that it's one of the spinniest strings there is. RPM team feels softer because of the internal air bubbles, but clearly their tests haven't picked up on that.
 

azrael201

Rookie
That lab tests can't replicate actual playing conditions. Look how low RPM blast is on the spin potential ranks. But anybody who's actually played with it knows that it's one of the spinniest strings there is. RPM team feels softer because of the internal air bubbles, but clearly their tests haven't picked up on that.

what do you mean by internal air bubbles?
 

Zaerop

Rookie
what do you mean by internal air bubbles?
RPM team is a bit hollow. There are air bubbles inside of them to give them a softer feeling. The lab tests are a good general indicator, but they're not nearly as accurate as actual playinge experience. If you want to compare two different strings, it has to happen on a tennis court with actual playing conditions, not in a laboratory.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
i think it's because stiffer strings "crush" the ball instead of providing a trampoline for it, whereas a stiff racquet does not bend or give and can transmit your swing more directly to the ball. I know what you mean though.

Also I find it strange a lot of people that reviewed RPM team said it was easier on the elbow than the blast even though it is so much stiffer? I'll never understand the disconnect between the numbers that come from compare string tool and what people write.
There is a significant stifness difference between 1.25 and 1.30 gauges
 

danbrenner

Legend
I like ALU power in my rf97, but I need a bit more spin for my forehands. I'm debating between RPM blast and RPM team. If team has better control, that'd benefit my backhands more because I hit them completely flat with almost no margin for error. ALU power is working out great for that, but will RPM team keep that great directional control on the flat shots, or at least have it better than RPM blast in that department?
Try rpm blast 15. It’s a diff animal to the other Gagues. Best string innmarket.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
In my experience Team is like 4g and Blast had a child. It's fantastic. Beyond that, it has one of the least tension loss total, and most gradual tension loss when strung at 60lbs. With a fresh bed of this stuff, I really feel like I can get away with shots that I shouldn't be able to.

String stiffness=control, and reduced dwell time. This string is only second to 4g and 4g S. And as you can see from TWU research, it has similar tension retention to non poly strings. Even better than 4g towards the end of it's life.

absoluteTensionlb-Hits.jpg

tension-Hits.jpg

Klong-Tension.jpg

This is an important one: LESS DWELL TIME=MORE CONTROL. This means TEAM has most control as the string wears out, out of the strings tested:
dwell-Tension.jpg


This article explains
polys well and highlights the benefits of RPM Team http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/deadstrings.php
I dont agree. Having enough dwell time allows one to steer the ball, thereby having more control. Why else would Fed use low tension hybrid with gut, giving him lots of dwell time.
 

Kaznkul

Rookie
Come on guys! Everyone has different preferences as to what feels good and gets them the best results. I’ve used rpm team 16g. In my PS97 it felt pretty crisp. Very good feel at net and nice control. It wasn’t overly powerful, but I might’ve strung it a little too tight. Compared to current setup of cyclone tour which I prefer because it feels softer than team and I can generate more spin, team is the type of string that if you don’t have arm trouble, you get out what you put in. It’s a very reliable string in all aspects. Just a bit too stiff for my arm.


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Kaznkul

Rookie
I like ALU power in my rf97, but I need a bit more spin for my forehands. I'm debating between RPM blast and RPM team. If team has better control, that'd benefit my backhands more because I hit them completely flat with almost no margin for error. ALU power is working out great for that, but will RPM team keep that great directional control on the flat shots, or at least have it better than RPM blast in that department?

To answer the original question. I haven’t used ALU power in my RF97 but I have used team, as well as Solinco tour bite and cyclone tour. Not as much spin as CT or tour bite, but it’s a smoother shaped poly compared to the other 2 so I felt it didn’t grab the ball as much but you can a decent amount of spin if you want to. I noticed on my approach shots on the forehand side, I could get some really nice top spin to get the ball dipping just inside the baseline. From what I’ve read and experienced, team has better tension maintenance than blast, but it might not produce as much spin. Shot mechanics could be a factor but as I’ve found out, a certain string doesn’t magically give you more spin on your shots, rather it can give you more confidence to swing at a higher potential without the fear of error. I think you will be able to generate more spin with ALU power over rpm team, but blast might give you more. There is also rpm blast rough which I haven’t tried yet but have heard it’s a bit softer than team with good spin. Hope that helps.


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Doubles

Legend
Lol sorry the numbers don't lie:
a9pi54.png


Unless of course you think TWU is incorrect... And that when they get 96-98% energy return for natural gut that is wrong too.

When I play with this string, I can definitely feel the power when flattening out the ball. It is quite lively. When going for more spin I can feel the string stiffness. It's ok though, I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully utilize this string Nostradamus. Spend more time on court, less posting on TT
I normally wouldn’t find myself agreeing with Fedace, but when I used it, I did find it to be lower powered compared to other poly strings I was using at the time. That said, I was comparing it to Solinco Tour Bite and Revolution, and I only used one set. I’m not sure what I’d think of it now.
 
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