Driving through the ball at contact

Powderwombat

Semi-Pro
This is one of those things that everyone talks about but I'm trying to understand why/how it helps, because I feel that it does.

The ball makes contact with the strings for only a split second, so what does "driving through the contact zone" do if the ball is only interacting with the racquet for a split second? Logically whatever you do after making contact doesn't matter so I'm trying to understand why this piece of advice works.
 

WildVolley

Legend
This is one of those things that everyone talks about but I'm trying to understand why/how it helps, because I feel that it does.

The ball makes contact with the strings for only a split second, so what does "driving through the contact zone" do if the ball is only interacting with the racquet for a split second? Logically whatever you do after making contact doesn't matter so I'm trying to understand why this piece of advice works.

To the extent it works, I think it is just a matter of influencing the racquet vector at contact. Mostly in the sense of a greater velocity in the direction of the ball path.
 

snoflewis

Legend
You want your racket head to be accelerating through contact. If you're at constant speed, or even decelerating during your swing, you wont have the same momentum through the ball as soon as it hits your strings. In terms of penetration or driving through the ball, it's essentially all about how well you deflect the momentum of the ball coming at you.
 

shamaho

Professional
To the extent it works, I think it is just a matter of influencing the racquet vector at contact. Mostly in the sense of a greater velocity in the direction of the ball path.
my understanding exactly!

a windshield-wiper could have a smaller horizontal (forward) vector and a bigger vertical vector, wheres as a ball strike with more drive through, I understand as having a bigger horizontal vector than the former.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
This is one of those things that everyone talks about but I'm trying to understand why/how it helps, because I feel that it does.

The ball makes contact with the strings for only a split second, so what does "driving through the contact zone" do if the ball is only interacting with the racquet for a split second? Logically whatever you do after making contact doesn't matter so I'm trying to understand why this piece of advice works.
its like the difference between letting your large heavy car gently roll into small car or gently rolling right up the the little car and then flooring it....which is going to have a bigger impact and effect?
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Try throwing a ball, but pull your arm back after the ball leaves your hand.
Or punch something, but pull your arm back after contact. :-D
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
The muscles provide 2 kinds of forces:
1) Active forces provided by Actin and Myosin of the Sarcomere. See video animations.
2) Passive forces provided by Titin the elastic element of the Sarcomere. There are some drawings showing Titin in the Sarcomere, a hot research topic.

If you are lifting weights you might use some elastic forces, for example, at the bottom of a squat to rebound, but as the squat progresses the Actin & Myosin work hard to provide enough force to keep the barbell going up. That last part - where the Actin & Myosin are giving maximum effort - feels like effort. For a tennis racket, F=ma, and if you accelerate (a) the arm and racket mass (m) you feel the force F. For swinging a tennis racket both elastic and Actin & Myosin may be used at impact, or neither may be still producing forces at impact................. This must be described better, but the connection between tennis terms, 'drive through the ball' and science is not usually clear. The feeling of using Titin is not so simple.

The feeling of driving through the ball at impact, I believe, is associated with the use of Actin & Myosin and its feeling. But the common terms of tennis are not often used with any defined meaning in mind so it is hard to make any progress using poorly defined tennis terms.
 
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oserver

Professional
This is one of those things that everyone talks about but I'm trying to understand why/how it helps, because I feel that it does.

The ball makes contact with the strings for only a split second, so what does "driving through the contact zone" do if the ball is only interacting with the racquet for a split second? Logically whatever you do after making contact doesn't matter so I'm trying to understand why this piece of advice works.
If the "driving through the contact zone" means the often quoted "driving through the ball" by many coaches today, this could be a confusion topic. Coaches would give totally different answers, depend on how they understand the differences between traditional and modern tennis. Old school catches would ask you to drive through the ball to get the pace and control the direction. Things changed dramatically in modern times with the big racket head, so players can hit topspin shots with open grips and open stances, transforming the predominant linear hitting patterns to more violent, angular way of hitting tennis.

The basic thing is that we don't need to swing the racket toward the target line to get the good pace and direction control. How can that be?

If we compare javelin throw with discus throw, things will be more visual and easier to understand. In javelin throw, the hand and arm are throwing in the direction of the target, just like the old way of hitting tennis ball with closed stance and continental grip (and in current one-handed slice return and volley too). In discus throw, this way of linear throwing is absent, instead, we see the angular (rotational) swing with the hand far away from the body center, just like the modern one-handed forehand (wind shield forward swing motion). Through tennis is not a throw sport (we hit the ball using the racket, not throwing the racket to the target), the concepts/practices are the same.

Another sport that use more linear way to hit the object is a hokey. A hokey player usually hit the puck with drive through the ball motion. The difference here is the hitting object is very different. In tennis, the power of a shot depend not only on the pace of the ball, but also on the spin rate (bounce factor) of the ball; but in hokey, the puck is flat and not bouncing like a tennis ball, and a player cannot do tennis like rotational body movement on ice.

By the way, sometimes players do use driving through the ball motion to change the direction to hit down the line shots. Nadal's famous helicopter forehand shots have some driving through the ball motion, but he also add a vertical swing up motion to increase the spin rate.
 

mnttlrg

Professional
Logically whatever you do after making contact doesn't matter so I'm trying to understand why this piece of advice works.
I think in that millisecond (whatever it is) of contact, the racket either hits THROUGH the ball with actual head-speed, or it moves fast towards the ball and then slows to a crawl or buckles upon impact.

I have always had ferocious hitting power, especially for someone with my (low) level of athleticism. My secret has always been positioning my wrist so the joint has literally no give to it whatsoever. This allows me to fully redirect the ball upon impact, hitting THROUGH it, instead of having my wrist / hoop buckle during that microsecond of impact and lose that racket head speed through contact.

I hope that helps to explain at least a big chunk of it.
 
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pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
Contact at split second but your overall momentum still counts and will push and act on the ball accordingly.

It is like ping pong, even though it is contacted at split second, you can control and redirect it at different direction, same with spin.
 

Bagumbawalla

G.O.A.T.
Over the course of the history of tennis, there were/are many "instructional" terms used to try and impart the concept of the mechanics and the feel of hitting the ball. Overall, many of these descriptions were based pre-scientific impressions of what, the players thought was happening. Terms like rolling over the ball, carving under the ball, hitting the outside of the ball, brushing up on the ball- and lots more that I can't think of at the moment, did tend to suggest lots of time to make things happen while striking the ball. Of all the descriptive terms, the one that best fits with the fact that contact between racket and ball is mere microseconds is to "drive through the ball". Even though the racket path from the start of the stroke till impact is more like a series of curves, when it comes to impact, if you think of focusing your momentary contact into a singular line of force through the ball (from low to high for example) that, instantly, imparts both direction and spin- you will avoid problems that rise from trying to "guide" or "push" the ball.
 
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