Federer Didn't Beat Roddick, Roddick Beat Roddick!

[zebra77]

The whole time I was watching Federer-Roddick match, I got mad, the reason is Roddick didn't create even a slight chance to beat Fed.
My point is if it were not for Fed, Roddick would have won more than 1 grandslam. Look at Wimbledon, US Open, Aussie Open, Roddick got beat by Fed. So, it is VERY, VERY obvious on Roddick camp to create some weapon to beat FED.

The whole semi, Roddick just play his regular style tennis, yes, he may come to nets more often than before, but after weak approach shot. His forehand is too loopy, and he didn't attack Roger backhand. Look at most player that have success against Fed, look at Berdyc, Murray, Nadal.

Roddick is obviously NOT a good student of the GAME, while everyone in top 10 adjust their game, to beat Fed, Roddick on the other hand is too stubborn to do that, look at NADAL, look at how he change his forehand, serve. Rod may have the game to beat the rest of the pros, but he FORGOT who has stopped him all this year.

I am not saying I am the expert, or most of us in this forum, but Roddick has employed BEST coaches in the world, Gilbert, Connors, Stefanky. I am sure that they have a game plan against Fed, by looking players that successfully beat Fed in the past.

It is Roddick that are too stubborn to admit that YES, my game is weak to beat FED, what can I do to do that? I am so glad when he lost 15 lbs, so he can move better, but his techniques and arsenal didn't change to beat Fed.

I am not saying that Roddick may win the match, at least he create himself a chance to stay with Fed. I know he wants to win the match, but how BAD you want beat Fed, if it means change some of your game, technique, strokes, BE IT, look at NADAL, he could be easily recognized as the great Clay court player, BUT he change his motion, techniques , strategy to win in different surfaces. Meanwhile, Roddick 's surface is hardcourt, it should be easier for him to adjust/ adapt.

I am glad for Nadal/ Fed final (actually expecting it), and hoping for great match, on the other hand, I feel pity for Roddick for not winning more than one Grandslam.

Just my 2 cents, LOOKING FORWARD FOR ANOTHER DRAMA FED-NADAL.

 

[topsltennis]

He just isn't as good as Fed- he gives it his best shot- it's just not good enough.

 

[zebra77]

I think Roddick still have another "Gear" to go, but he needs to be humble.
We (US) needs and desperately needs a Grandslam champ, otherwise this sport is losing its popularity compare to other sports.

We need another Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang (one slam wonder), Connors, Mcroe. I wish Roger & Nadal were from America

 

[TopShelf]

Thats a bit of a reach.

To use just one example, in the 3rd set he has a chance for double break point IF his cross-court winner was in and not out (when they were 5-5 in games). Granted he still got beat in 3 sets but the attempt was there. And if it was more then an "attempt" it would of gone 4 or 5 sets, or a Roddick win, which is based on better skill, not someone being stubborn.

Roddicks biggest positive is his serve. And Federer is one, if not the best at retuning a serve. So, you can't exactly "adapt" to that type of stratagy, because if you could adapt, you would already be doing so, and thus improving your all around game, and then still having a serve.

So for Roddick to ever beat Federer, he needs to hold serve every time and then break Federer or win in the tie-breaker. And so a "on day" for Roddick and an "off day" for Federer will create that. We just haven't seen it yet, and may never will.

 

[edmondsm]

Seriously Zebra77, you fail big time. You think Roddick hasn't done everything in his power to solve the Federer problem? You think that you can just eat a magic bean or rub a lamp and get a better forehand? Sometimes we reach our maximum potential and it just isn't good enough to be the best. That's life, welcome to it.

 

[zebra77]

I may not know this for fact, I can't obviously serve more than 135 mph. When Brad Gilbert said Roddick needs to dump the ideas of any serve that below 120 mph, he needs to bomb Fed with 135+ mph only serve.

Could Roddick possibly do only 135+ mph only serve ( of course with good placement) or actually he tried to do, but actually failed to do so.

It seems to me that Fed somehow can neutralize roddick serve, or fed knows it is rod, he just step it up on his return game? I really like to see Roddick can turn it ON, I think the 07 USO final, Roddick plays more aggressive, although I like his movement this year.

 

[TopShelf]

I may not know this for fact, I can't obviously serve more than 135 mph. When Brad Gilbert said Roddick needs to dump the ideas of any serve that below 120 mph, he needs to bomb Fed with 135+ mph only serve.

Could Roddick possibly do only 135+ mph only serve ( of course with good placement) or actually he tried to do, but actually failed to do so.

It seems to me that Fed somehow can neutralize roddick serve, or fed knows it is rod, he just step it up on his return game? I really like to see Roddick can turn it ON, I think the 07 USO final, Roddick plays more aggressive, although I like his movement this year.

On his first serves I am sure he is trying almost everytime to hit 135+. Kinda like a pitcher who throws 100 MPH. Each time he throws a fastball, he assumes he can dial it in, but will fall short 90% of the time.

And if he could bang off 135+, 8 or 9 times in a row, Roger would be more use to it.
So Roddick needs more of a "Sampras 2nd serve", where the player becomes more afraid of your 1st serve because that "changeup" on the 2nd is effecting you.

 

[zebra77]

What about the FH, could he adapt and change to flatter forehand? More attacking to Roger BH like Bedrdyc did?

Check this out:
http://tennisworld.typepad.com/string_theory/2009/01/old-times.html

 

[edmondsm]

And you also can't hit that giant serve in every part of both boxes. You have to change up your locations and that means the speed will come down. Roddick's serve is the last thing that would need to improve if he was to beat Federer. His movement, forehand, and backhand are quite a bit behind the curve if you compare him to the top 4 players.

 

[edmondsm]

What about the FH, could he adapt and change to flatter forehand? More attacking to Roger BH like Bedrdyc did?

Check this out:
http://tennisworld.typepad.com/string_theory/2009/01/old-times.html

If anything that article proves that he is doomed to lose to Roger for the rest of his life. If he could have improved the forehand then he would have.

 

[zebra77]

Are we all accepting the fact that roddick is one slam wonder? No chance at all?

 

[Jonny S&V]

Are we all accepting the fact that roddick is one slam wonder? No chance at all?

If Federer loses early somehow at the US Open and Roddick gets through Nadal, then he can win the US Open.

 

[marcl65]

Are we all accepting the fact that roddick is one slam wonder? No chance at all?

No but I think Federer is going to have to go down in an early round for him to win another one.

I still think that a healthy/fit Djokovic has a better arsenal than Roddick but I thought Roddick played better during his Fed match than when he played Djokovic. That first set of the Djokovic match he was playing totally conservative. When Djokovic wilted after that first set, all he had to do was step up the pressure a bit and boom, Djoko quit. It was all but preordained.

I think it's mental with him. How do you get beat by the same guy 10-13 times or something and not have it get into your head a bit?

 

[MEAC_ALLAMERICAN]

Based on the title of this thread, it sounds like the outcome of the Roddick/Federer match depended more on Andy than Roger. I mean honestly 16 wins against 2 loses shows that the OP is really reaching for something that's not there. The three break chances that Roddick got, they all came in the 1st set. How do you explain the last 2 sets? :shock:

 

[FD3S]

I'm a big fan of Roddick, and there are matches where this has been the cases. This wasn't one of them. I mean, yeah, Roddick certainly could have played a lot more aggressively and forced more of his game on Fed, but looking at the stats - he didn't play badly, per se. It would have been enough to beat most players in the world, just not Federer.

 

[zebra77]

I personally would like Roddick came out "RED HOT" crazy like what Berdyc did, or every time Nadal played fed.

Let's see if fed has an answer to that, which I am sure he will.
Roddick may lose, but we will be entertained to a more dramatic match.

USO Final 2007, I was very excited about the match, esp after the third set. This time, after the second set, you know it Roddick will lose.

 

[zebra77]

Based on the title of this thread, it sounds like the outcome of the Roddick/Federer match depended more on Andy than Roger. I mean honestly 16 wins against 2 loses shows that the OP is really reaching for something that's not there. The three break chances that Roddick got, they all came in the 1st set. How do you explain the last 2 sets? :shock:

Are you referring to Roddick's game somehow doesn't really match Fed? Nadal's game is better suited to attack Fed? Of course, in any sports, there are a lot cases like that, some how your game just doesn't suit your opponent.

Like in my case, I have a good record playing baseliners, but I had terrible record playing S&V guy, escp. a tall guy that can server out wide on the deuce court and deep slice to my BH

 

[Harry_Wild]

Roddick does not have the gears in him to up it! Where Federer and Nadal do! Roddick will try hard do get me wrong but you have to have talent and weapons too! Federer when he is down; he just reachs up and goes up a gear and you are in trouble.

In the AO match; I think Federer was holding back and just cruising! He knows that he can up it if he needed too!

 

[YouCantBeSerious]

Roddick put up a good fight, but unfortunately it would have taken much more than that to beat Fed. I like Roddick though, he might be a jerk, but he is a feisty sob.

 

[Ross K]

We (US) needs and desperately needs a Grandslam champ, otherwise this sport is losing its popularity compare to other sports.

We need another Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang (one slam wonder), Connors, Mcroe. I wish Roger & Nadal were from America

You think you've got in bad? You should try being English! The last time England produced Grandslam Champion

 

[Ross K]

(Oops... don't know wtf happened there with my keyboard???...)

Anyway I was saying...

The last time England produced Grandslam Champions, people listed to the "wireless"!

 

[zebra77]

Anyone knows any potential up coming american? what ever happen to Donald Young?

 

[YouCantBeSerious]

Anyone knows any potential up coming american? what ever happen to Donald Young?

Donald Duck has more chances against Nads and Fedex. But maybe in a few years when Nads knees explode and Fed suffers irreparable smashing injuries during a Mirka lifting session, then Donald's turn it will be. Unless "Goofy" Djoko and "Mousey" Murray decide to step up.

 

[edmondsm]

Donald Duck has more chances against Nads and Fedex. But maybe in a few years when Nads knees explode and Fed suffers irreparable smashing injuries during a Mirka lifting session, then Donald's turn it will be. Unless "Goofy" Djoko and "Mousey" Murray decide to step up.

LMFAO. Aw man, classic. You brought tears to my eyes with that one.

 

[YouCantBeSerious]

LMFAO. Aw man, classic. You brought tears to my eyes with that one.

HEHEHEHE. Good to know, edmondsm. That's what life is for. Having a good laugh and lifting your personal Mirka every time she lets you. :twisted:

 

[edmondsm]

(Oops... don't know wtf happened there with my keyboard???...)

Anyway I was saying...

The last time England produced Grandslam Champions, people listed to the "wireless"!

Yeah what the heck man, why does England stink sooooo bad. Tim Henman was good, but who else has there been in the last 50 years to even get a sniff at a slam? 60 years? 70 years? I don't count Murray, because he's Scottish. It's actually more telling that little ole Scotland can come up with a better player then England. Alex Bogdanovich? Give me a break. Sorry to pick on England but it has just always baffled me. You've got great soccer players. Then again so does Spain, France, Germany, even Italy gets a decent clay courter in there every now and then.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Roddick is deeply scared of Federer, it's shameful to watch.

 

[Hot Sauce]

Didn't read the post, but your title fails.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

haha your names Hot Sauce

 

[Hot Sauce]

^lulz

 

[raccoon1414]

Donald Duck has more chances against Nads and Fedex. But maybe in a few years when Nads knees explode and Fed suffers irreparable smashing injuries during a Mirka lifting session, then Donald's turn it will be. Unless "Goofy" Djoko and "Mousey" Murray decide to step up.

haha what u said about fed lifting mirka, man that was so slack, but kinda funny at the same time. lol also loved goofy and mousey, but i rkn u should have called it "Daffy" Djoko instead

 

[YouCantBeSerious]

haha what u said about fed lifting mirka, man that was so slack, but kinda funny at the same time. lol also loved goofy and mousey, but i rkn u should have called it "Daffy" Djoko instead

HAHAHAHA. I like that one better. "Daffy" Djoko and "Muzza" Mouse. Good one.

 

[jjrl2004]

Very well-written.

 

[NamRanger]

Yeah what the heck man, why does England stink sooooo bad. Tim Henman was good, but who else has there been in the last 50 years to even get a sniff at a slam? 60 years? 70 years? I don't count Murray, because he's Scottish. It's actually more telling that little ole Scotland can come up with a better player then England. Alex Bogdanovich? Give me a break. Sorry to pick on England but it has just always baffled me. You've got great soccer players. Then again so does Spain, France, Germany, even Italy gets a decent clay courter in there every now and then.

Henman probably would have won Wimbledon 2002 if AELTC didn't decide to go screw him over and switch to Rye grass. He was actually a heavy favorite to take the title that year, since everyone that was good on grass left, and no one really good was playing.

 

[NamRanger]

Roddick's problem is that he no longer has the confidence that he had pre 2005. His FH is gone because he doesn't feel comfortable hitting that way anymore; he's been playing pure defensive tennis for the past what, 4 years now?



If he continues to work with Stefanki, he will probably improve greatly. We've seen glimpses of Roddick crushing his FH this tournament. He can really attack the second serve now when he chooses to do so.



Eventually, Roddick will pick up the pace, and come Wimbledon time, he will probably have an outside shot (and maybe even 3rd favorite should Djokovic and Murray continue to disappoint) if he continues to play the way he does.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Roddick's forehand was awesome in his first couple of years on tour, if you gave him a short ball you'd be in trouble he'd just hammer it everytime it was short, great combo the forehand and the serve. When he had that monster forehand it made the serve a lot more dangerous.

 

[NamRanger]

Roddick's forehand was awesome in his first couple of years on tour, if you gave him a short ball you'd be in trouble he'd just hammer it everytime it was short, great combo the forehand and the serve. When he had that monster forehand it made the serve a lot more dangerous.

The third set in the Federer match, Roddick really started to pick things up, but it was a little too late. Hopefully come Wimbledon, he will have relearned how to hit those huge FHs.

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Roddick is kind of like Agassi minus the "take the ball on the rise" and plus a bigger serve. He actually seems like he's conducting himself in press conferences a bit like Agassi too.

 

[IvanAndreevich]

Roddick is kind of like Agassi minus the "take the ball on the rise" and plus a bigger serve. He actually seems like he's conducting himself in press conferences a bit like Agassi too.

Holy crap. They have two things in common: they are American, and they are tennis players. Other than that, not so much.

 

[Morrissey]

Why doesn't the OP say that Roddick sucks so bad he can't even beat himself?

 

[Morrissey]

Holy crap. They have two things in common: they are American, and they are tennis players. Other than that, not so much.

They're both right handed and use 2 handed backhands. There. I got ya, how do you feel now huh? Not feeling too good now eh?

 

[HAPPYforTHEvictory]

Well see in my previous post I explained the big differences (Agassi takes the ball on the rise, and Roddick's serve is massive). Its just the purposeful walk and body language, and press conference voice, and both players always mock themself for having no "feel" at the net.