Gravity Tour 2023 swing weight

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wagen

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Hello everyone,

I wondered if anybody could shed some light about the Gravity Tour 2023 specs on Tenniswarehouse-Europe (I could not find the racket on Tenniswarehouse).

I compared the Gravity Pro 2023 stats with Gravity Tour 2023 stats, and the SW-difference seems enormous (334 vs. 314). Yes, the Pro is 10g heavier, but the Tour is more head-heavy (bigger balance in cm). String pattern and head size is the same, so there should be no difference in the added weight / swing weight of the strings.

I then compared the stats to my current Wilson Blade v8 18x20, which has the same unstrung weight, is evenly balanced before stringing (same unstrung balance) and more head-light after stringing (as the 98 head has less strings so less added weight to the top half of the frame). Nevertheless, the swing weight of the Gravity Tour is 13 points less than the Blade, can that be right?

I only looked at the numbers of Tenniswarehouse-Europe, I did not measure any rackets. But somehow I cannot explain or believe the numbers I am reading.
Either I am lacking a big part of knowledge what contributes to swing weight or the numbers are just wrong.

Anybody have any idea how this could be possible?

Thanks!


Data (gathered from Tenniswarehouse-Europe):
ManufacturerHeadHeadWilson
ModelGravity Pro 2023Gravity Tour 2023Blade 98 v8 18x20
Head size10010098
String pattern18x2018x2018x20
Weight332320323
Weight unstrung315305305
Balance32.433.533
Balance unstrung31.53232
Swing weight334314327
Stiffness636360
Beam20 mm / 20 mm / 20 mm22 mm / 22 mm / 22 mm21mm / 21mm / 21mm
 
gold325

gold325

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Alexrb said:
Can the gravity pro be capped grommet wise?
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Nope. This was derived from the IG YT Speed MP which never came capped.

You can add 2 layers of head guard tape on the sides of the frame to simulate the location and swingweight of the missing parts of the CAP in the regular grommet.

I dont know why though since most GPs are coming ultra beefy.
 
mpournaras

mpournaras

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Id want to see some independent reviewers have theirs measured. 314 SW is anemic and will doom the racket to "lacking stability" even if it is meant to have some weight added. People wont look past the initial lack of stability.
 
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billsedd

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Yeah I'm not sure- the old GTour had a SW of 325, so I feel like it could be off. Doesn’t make sense with the new MP having a SW of ~319 or so
 
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wagen

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Thanks for the input. I did some research:
  • Tennisnerd lists SW 325
  • On Youtube I also found a few reviewers, most go towards 325
  • Only "Tan Tennis" on Youtube received a racket that was 5g over spec but measured SW at 319
  • "Tennis Guy" on Youtube also mentiones the 314 SW on the Tenniswarehouse-Website and believes it to be false. Without being able to assess his credibility as a racket reviewer (did not see many of his videos), I am happy that at least I am not the only one who smells something fishy here ;-)
I personally think the SW 325 makes much more sense if I look at the other numbers.
 
WYK

WYK

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TW USA has the 2023 MP measuring 319SW. So 314 seems unlikely with the same frame with more strings.
I have 2 of the last models here.
Admittedly, I do not have a SW machine, but I have been playing the game for over 40 years now, and can guess the SW fairly well since I tend to gravitate towards 330-340 and 325 will feel a bit light to me, whilst 315 is a bit fragile in my book.
I have 3 Prince Textreme Tours which are meant to be about 325 stock.
These Gravity's in stock form feel about in that ballpark, maybe even a touch more SW.
I now have mine weighted up to 335g for play and am considering getting a Pro to test out and see if I can live with it for doubles.
However, even if the swingweight were rather low for a Gravity, it is meant to fill in the spot between the MP and the Pro.
It's unlikely, since it is the same mould as the MP with just a different drill pattern with more strings in it, that it is going to have a lower SW than the MP in practice.
It just needs to be noticeably less than the Pro's 332ish SW to fill the gap. And with it's thicker frame, have a bit more power.
The Gravity Tour is easily one of the most powerful 18X20's I have ever tried. It makes me wonder if the string pattern is tighter on the Pro.
 
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wagen

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WYK said:
TW USA has the 2023 MP measuring 319SW. So 314 seems unlikely with the same frame with more strings.
I have 2 of the last models here.
Admittedly, I do not have a SW machine, but I have been playing the game for over 40 years now, and can guess the SW fairly well since I tend to gravitate towards 330-340 and 325 will feel a bit light to me, whilst 315 is a bit fragile in my book.
I have 3 Prince Textreme Tours which are meant to be about 325 stock.
These Gravity's in stock form feel about in that ballpark, maybe even a touch more SW.
I now have mine weighted up to 335g for play and am considering getting a Pro to test out and see if I can live with it for doubles.
However, even if the swingweight were rather low for a Gravity, it is meant to fill in the spot between the MP and the Pro.
It's unlikely, since it is the same mould as the MP with just a different drill pattern with more strings in it, that it is going to have a lower SW than the MP in practice.
It just needs to be noticeably less than the Pro's 332ish SW to fill the gap. And with it's thicker frame, have a bit more power.
The Gravity Tour is easily one of the most powerful 18X20's I have ever tried. It makes me wonder if the string pattern is tighter on the Pro.
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thanks for the brilliant explanation.
I currently play the Blade v8 18x20, with Leather Grip, Overgrip, Hybrid string setup and dampener they are around 335 SW, which is ok but rather on the heavy side for me to be honest.
Also, switching from the Blade v8 16x19 I do miss some spin and power but I just love the control and precision of the 18x20 stringbed. But I am thinking if the Gravity Tour could give me just that little bit of extra power and spin due to the bigger head size, but still feel like a blade, with control and excellent touch.
The Gravity Pro is too much for me I, am quite sure, if I add the leather grip, string it up with a hybrid setup (1.30 multi or natural gut in the cross), I will for sure ramp up the swingweight to close to 340, therefore I think the Gravity Tour might be a good match...
 
WYK

WYK

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Well, what we are seeing in the 2023 line up is lower SW throughout the Gravity line.
If you go into the auxetic thread, you'll see some folks stating they are getting Pros with under 330SW strung.
So, maybe demo one first if you can. The feel and power has got to be closer to a blade with the thinner Gravity Pro.
I went to the tour because I mainly play doubles nowadays, and I needed the maneuverability and extra pop for serve and volleys. Using my 18X20 Blade for competition doubles was killing me.
I would say the control of the Gravity Tour is maybe between the two Blades? The power on the Tour feels higher than either, though.
For doubles, all of the extra weight on my Gravity Tours is in the grip. It is very stable in the hoop, at least for doubles.
If I were solely playing singles, I would have gone with the Pro.
 
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wagen

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WYK said:
Well, what we are seeing in the 2023 line up is lower SW throughout the Gravity line.
If you go into the auxetic thread, you'll see some folks stating they are getting Pros with under 330SW strung.
So, maybe demo one first if you can. The feel and power has got to be closer to a blade with the thinner Gravity Pro.
I went to the tour because I mainly play doubles nowadays, and I needed the maneuverability and extra pop for serve and volleys. Using my 18X20 Blade for competition doubles was killing me.
I would say the control of the Gravity Tour is maybe between the two Blades? The power on the Tour feels higher than either, though.
For doubles, all of the extra weight on my Gravity Tours is in the grip. It is very stable in the hoop, at least for doubles.
If I were solely playing singles, I would have gone with the Pro.
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yeah I might need to demo them both - the problem is, usually demoing means to me buying a frame, be able to string it, modify it if necessary and play with it for a few weeks :-D I cannot really test a frame with the standard 10-day with 2 month old random poly string setup...
I love the feel and control of the blade 18x20, but I also feel I could give a little bit of that up for a bit more spin and pop.
As I do racket modification for my own rackets, I rather take the lower weighted frame and add some weight if required. If I get 2 or 3 Gravity Pro's and one of them is SW on spec or over spec, I need to match the others. I always play with leather grip + OG. Then I string with multi/gut 1.30 cross and the SW is at 340, that I will probably not be able to handle...
 
WYK

WYK

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You mightn't need multi/gut in the Gravity like you are using in the Blade.
I think the power and forgiveness of a Tour may allow you to use the more powerful polys like Tour Bite 125 or Lynx Tour 120(which is a 125 in practice).
And then maybe place a slightly softer slicker poly in the crosses it like RPM Rough 125.
This is what I have on both of my Tours. One is 125 TB on top or 125 RPM Rough, the other is 120 Lynx Tour crossed with RPM Rough. 21X20kg.
I had a Blade 18X20 with ALU/VS gut, and these Tours are more powerful and nearly as comfortable..
 
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wagen

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WYK said:
You mightn't need multi/gut in the Gravity like you are using in the Blade.
I think the power and forgiveness of a Tour may allow you to use the more powerful polys like Tour Bite 125 or Lynx Tour 120(which is a 125 in practice).
And then maybe place a slightly softer slicker poly in the crosses it like RPM Rough 125.
This is what I have on both of my Tours. One is 125 TB on top or 125 RPM Rough, the other is 120 Lynx Tour crossed with RPM Rough. 21X20kg.
I had a Blade 18X20 with ALU/VS gut, and these Tours are more powerful and nearly as comfortable..
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yeah that is a bit the hope. I used to play full poly but with the blade 18x20 I was getting killed. With multi or gut hybrid I play well, but it's a lot of re-stringing to do.
Anyway, I am afraid I need to test the frames at some point, but summer season just started, bad timing as always :-D
 
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mpournaras

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mpournaras said:
Id want to see some independent reviewers have theirs measured. 314 SW is anemic and will doom the racket to "lacking stability" even if it is meant to have some weight added. People wont look past the initial lack of stability.
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I might have to eat my words. Looking back my 360+ Gravity Tours came in with unstrung SW of 287 and 286 respectively.... putting them near 315 strung :-D

That being said I matched them with lead under the bumper at 12 o'clock to bring it up to 295 SW giving them just enough beef.
 
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Image dump because no one asked. By far the best $70 racket I have ever used.

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Casper777

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My matching for the Tour arrived yesterday... took 2 with 283 SW (on specs otherwise).

With the 18x20 pattern it should end up approx at a SW of 318-320 (with dampener).

Quite easy then to add 3 gr in the handle and 2 at 12 to get a but more power and SW up to 325
 
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Casper777 said:
My matching for the Tour arrived yesterday... took 2 with 283 SW (on specs otherwise).

With the 18x20 pattern it should end up approx at a SW of 318-320 (with dampener).

Quite easy then to add 3 gr in the handle and 2 at 12 to get a but more power and SW up to 325
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325 SW is pornographic for this frame. And it is a moderately open 18x20 so There will be so many good stable slices with your frame. Man I cannot believe we let them take the tour from us stateside
 
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johnmccabe

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mpournaras said:
325 SW is pornographic for this frame. And it is a moderately open 18x20 so There will be so many good stable slices with your frame. Man I cannot believe we let them take the tour from us stateside
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Why the tour is only available in Europe? This is so odd
 
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Casper777

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Nevertheless... I keep switching frames and my Gravity Tour feels harder to play than my TF40 315 lately... the new Pro Staff X is also taking the lead.....
 
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Casper777 said:
Nevertheless... I keep switching frames and my Gravity Tour feels harder to play than my TF40 315 lately... the new Pro Staff X is also taking the lead.....
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When I switched from Gravity Tour to Blade 98, the maneuverability of the smaller frame was a real factor.
 
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Juggernauts

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I am considering Head Gravity Tour (2019-2021) and Prince ATS Texteme Tour 100P. The TWU specs looks quite similar.
Has anyone had used both Head Gravity Tour and Prince ATS Texteme Tour 100P ? Thanks.
 
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nov

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Casper777 said:
My matching for the Tour arrived yesterday... took 2 with 283 SW (on specs otherwise).

With the 18x20 pattern it should end up approx at a SW of 318-320 (with dampener).

Quite easy then to add 3 gr in the handle and 2 at 12 to get a but more power and SW up to 325
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With 283 unstrung you gonna get around 310-315 strung SW.
 
WYK

WYK

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Juggernauts said:
I am considering Head Gravity Tour (2019-2021) and Prince ATS Texteme Tour 100P. The TWU specs looks quite similar.
Has anyone had used both Head Gravity Tour and Prince ATS Texteme Tour 100P ? Thanks.
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I own both. The ATS has more easy power and a higher launch angle than the Gravity Tour.
I was considering the ATS because I was maybe wanting a bit more punch on serves and volleys.
The string pattern on the Prince is rather open for an 18X20.
 
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Internety

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WYK said:
I own both. The ATS has more easy power and a higher launch angle than the Gravity Tour.
I was considering the ATS because I was maybe wanting a bit more punch on serves and volleys.
The string pattern on the Prince is rather open for an 18X20.
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Are the differences between power and launch angle significant?
 
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WYK

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Internety said:
Are the differences between power and launch angle significant?
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Definitely. The Prince has three mains through the throat VS the Gravity Tours 8. It is nearly as open as some 16X19 patterns. And more open than most Prestige and many Dunlop 16X19's.
So you would use the Prince 100P because you like the Prince Tour feel and want a Textreme Tour with a bit more control.
What it isn't is a big blade, like the Tour nearly is. Also, the Gravity Tour is one of the few modern sticks that slices better than most Princes. It slices as well as my 18X20 nBlade.
If I played on clay, and spent my time behind the baseline, I would go with the 100P. I mainly play on synthetic grass, and spend most of my time in front of the line, so the Tour suits me better. Earlier today I was practicing with a friend of mine who hits flat and fast. I was easily slicing my backhand half of the time and often chipping my forehand.


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Juggernauts

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WYK said:
I own both. The ATS has more easy power and a higher launch angle than the Gravity Tour.
I was considering the ATS because I was maybe wanting a bit more punch on serves and volleys.
The string pattern on the Prince is rather open for an 18X20.
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Thanks for your input. Currently I am using Phantom Pro 100 16x18 and considering 18x20 for more control.
For 100p, Is there difference between new version (ATS) and older version (2015) ?
 
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WYK

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Juggernauts said:
Thanks for your input. Currently I am using Phantom Pro 100 16x18 and considering 18x20 for more control.
For 100p, Is there difference between new version (ATS) and older version (2015) ?
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It's very similar. It might be a touch more stable? Shrug. I lead up most of my sticks to around 340g, so stability stock doesn't matter as much to me.
It will be more powerful than your 16X18 Phantom. I have the 03 version of the first gen Phantom, and it is more powerful than that as well, especially with 120g string.
It also has a bit more control and better slice than the 16X18 as well.
I would stick a control string in the 100P, something like Tourna Silver 7 tour 125, Tour Bite 125, maybe ride it on top of a Kirschbaum Max Power etc.
If you need some more pop, HyperG 120 or 125 is a good option, RPM Rough 125(which I often use as a cross string).
The Gravity Tour is not far off from that Phantom in power, btw. But much, much more control.
Right now I am using HyperG 120 on top of RPM Rough 125 in my Gravity Tour, 23kg X 21.5kg.
 
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mpournaras said:
Image dump because no one asked. By far the best $70 racket I have ever used.

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Just got my auxetic version in and it’s pretty much the same specs as your #2. The listed specs and mods were very helpful, since I am planning to essentially do almost the exact same to mine.
 
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Sandro_Z

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jdx2112 said:
that's about right, but you have to be careful it doesn't come in too high. otherwise, you're playing with gravity pro weight range.
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Weight per se wouldn't be a major concern; sw would be the real pain, for me...
 
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nath_tennis

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Good discussion! I am in a similar boat. I had 2021 Gravity Pro, which I loved but was a bit sluggish for volleys and head speed for serves.

Went to a Blade V8 16x19, which has been good but I am missing that Gravity feel. Waiting to demo a Tour that will hopefully hit the sweet spot between both.

Another on my demo list is the Percept 100D or 97/97D? How do they compare in this range?

I had a Vcore pro 97H previously, which against felt amazing but too sluggish, especially on OHBH
 
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