Help! Player with two NTRP ratings (3.5 M and 4.0 S)??

[Idaho MEP]

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen a similar situation before:

1. Player self-rated at 4.0 in 2022
2. She played lots of mixed and a little bit of flex singles in 2022, so not enough to get a C rating. She got a 3.5 M rating at the end of 2022.
3. She played several matches of mixed league at 3.5 in 2023
4. She signed up for a 7.5 mixed tournament at 3.5 with a 4.0 partner and the system accepted her. She then attempted to sign up for 3.5 singles as well...and the system forced her to play 4.0 singles instead.

So now her profile shows her as a 4.0 S player, even though she's still playing the tournament as a 3.5 M player in the 7.5 mixed combo draw.

Anyone understand this?

 

[cks]

Anyone understand this?

Calling @schmke

 

[NumbersGuy]

Her 4.0 S rating is valid for two years. Therefore any single-gender events she plays will still use that rating. But, since she has a rating for Mixed, any Mixed events she plays will use the 3.5M rating. Looks to me the system is working as intended. If she doesn't get a C rating by the end of two years, the 4.0S will expire, the 3.5M will kick in, and if she subsequently registers for a single-gender league or tournament, she can self-rate 3.5.

Or, she can just appeal that 4.0 S right now and it'll likely be granted.

 

[Idaho MEP]

Her 4.0 S rating is valid for two years. Therefore any single-gender events she plays will still use that rating. But, since she has a rating for Mixed, any Mixed events she plays will use the 3.5M rating. Looks to me the system is working as intended. If she doesn't get a C rating by the end of two years, the 4.0S will expire, the 3.5M will kick in, and if she subsequently registers for a single-gender league or tournament, she can self-rate 3.5.

Or, she can just appeal that 4.0 S right now and it'll likely be granted.

That makes sense with what happened -- I had no idea that's how it worked, though. Do you know where I can find documentation that explains this? So she does in fact have both ratings, but only one shows on her profile. Where do you find proof that the 3.5 M is valid for her for mixed (other than the fact that she can register for a tournament)? E.g., if she were to play 7.5 league and play with a 4.0, the other team would complain, because it looks like she's a 4.0.

 

[NumbersGuy]

That makes sense with what happened -- I had no idea that's how it worked, though. Do you know where I can find documentation that explains this? So she does in fact have both ratings, but only one shows on her profile. Where do you find proof that the 3.5 M is valid for her for mixed (other than the fact that she can register for a tournament)? E.g., if she were to play 7.5 league and play with a 4.0, the other team would complain, because it looks like she's a 4.0.

I don't think you'll find that documentation all in one place, unfortunately. You have to piece it together from multiple locations.

I suspect if she signs up for a Mixed team, that the Player Roster will show her as a 3.5, but if someone does Find a Rating, yes, they'll see 4.0 S and cry foul. All the more reason to just appeal that 4.0S now. But if not, it's not your duty to convince the opposing captain, let her raise it with the League Coordinator who will research it and rule it fair.

 

[schmke]

@NumbersGuy got it right as I understand it.

I think the underlying detail is that the 2022 3.5M is a valid rating and so can be used for Mixed as was done. However, when you have an M rating and you then play Adult, you have to self-rate again. In this case, either the 4.0S being less than two years old still held, or simply the process of self-rating again results in the 4.0S as when you self-rate again, you may be no lower than your M rating, but you can be higher if your answers to the questions result in the system spitting out a higher number. Presumably the same answers given as the first time around would spit out a 4.0S again, so that is what she got.

So, whether the 4.0S from before was somehow still valid, or she had to self-rate again and get the 4.0S again by answering the questions the same, she is a 4.0S for Adult/Women's.

Now, what is interesting, is I think I found the player and they do show as a 4.0S now where they'd been a 3.5M as recently as a few weeks ago, but their rating date is a 2022 date, although it isn't the same rating date they had when they self-rated last year, the new one is a few days earlier. Odd.

 

[NumbersGuy]

I’m seeing lots of current self-rating dates changing by a few days. Can’t explain it either.