Here is what Federer needs to do to go deep at Wimbledon
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Hitman
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Not so sure, slick grass means Federer can unleash his most dangerous weapon, one that he does better than any other player, that acute short angle slice, which just kills his opponent on the grass. He can hit that shot all day and keep his opponent unstable on the baseline, not knowing when that shot is going to be hit. It is extremely venomous, even Nadal who loves the slice ball struggles with that shot, it was cost him to lose his serve at AO 2017 final and that was HC.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Well I agree with you there, he has to serve incredibly well and get to the tiebreaks. The major problem as I see it is his difficulty in breaking serve if he can't push off quickly to cut off the returns, and also the ease with which he can be wrongfooted based on all of his matches since the return. Once FAA worked out that he simply had to hit behind Fed rather than into the open court, the match was over. Mannarino isn't on my list of hugely clutch. He needs a good 1st set to really believe that he can do it, but he can. I still make Federer just the favourite though.
Forehanderer
Professional
You are replying to a fed hater. it wont sink in
Hitman
Bionic Poster
You do make valid points, there are pros and cons for him, but unlike Mannarino, Federer is a play maker out there, his opponent quite often is the one reacting to his ball on the grass, because he imparts so many different types of spins and slices. The footwork will be key, absolutely, and that is the one aspect we need to focus on when he steps onto the court, is how are those short steps working. I was watching his Halle matches, and it looked like to me in the first match he was deliberately trying to play is not so conventional game on the grass, a lot of top spin shots, and less short steps.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Thriller and I actually get on quite well, even when we are talking about Fed. LOL
Forehanderer
Professional
That's good. I call you the troll whisperer lol
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Absolutely. It is the awful footwork that has raised the alarm bells for me since the very first match. The last time I felt that way was Nadal's first match in Vina Del Mar in 2013, where he couldn't move or hit a backhand. He still won but I really thought it was all over in terms of Masters or Slam level but that was clearly a confidence issue and he quickly improved. I have seen no similar improvement in Federer's movement since Doha and TBH Halle was the worst yet. Grass is imo the most difficult surface to play on if you have movement issues.
Those short steps. He looks like Gasquet now. His movement is somehow both hyperactive and slow. It's like the proprioception in the feet is gone and they are just not getting the urgency of the situation. So there is lots of hustle and bustle upstairs but his footwork is slow and inaccurate reflected in lots of shanks and mishits. Some of his shots when he is a bit pushed for time are missing by feet rather than inches.
It is pretty clear that I am no fan of the guy whatsoever but I have seen nothing at all that convinces me that he will be able to win more than a couple of rounds at best.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
His forehand doesn't work because his feet don't work. If you can't place your feet accurately you won't hit the ball well. Especially Federer who is not an improviser like Nadal or Djokovic. His shots are more textbook and rely on perfect footwork.
Feather
Legend
I have faith in Roger Federer. Let us see what happens in Wimbledon
No. It's problem of racket. Occasionally he hits forehand quite well. In this RG he was hitting it as if he is using PS 90 frame again. If it was problem of footwork - he wouldn't able to hit so well sometimes (at least).
His shots are there. His movement is still there. It's just problem of lack of enough match play and fitness.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
His movement is not still there at all. You have to be blind not to see it. In my opinion he was the best athlete the game has ever seen. Speed starts with anticipation. He reads the game better than anyone else. It continues with balanced movement, lots of athletes are fast but then they have a lot of work to do to find a balanced position when they arrive to hit the ball (Monfils is one of the worst, quick to the ball but terible around it). Federer moves with the most beautiful balance there is almost no transition between him braking for the shot, hitting the ball and recovering for the next one. And the key to that is precision, the very precise placement of his feet so that he can use his levers with maximum speed to deliver a powerful and accurate stroke. This is how he makes it looks so effortless to viewers who do not study the movement of the players.
On the basis of everything I have seen since Doha he is a shadow of that player. He is easy to wrong foot. He is late to the ball as soon as the opponent has the upper hand. His recovery is slow, so just hit the ball back behind him while he is still recovering and the point is yours. FAA took a set and a half for the penny to drop and then it was all over. His reaction times are slow so there is a low percentage of returned balls and they are ineffective. He was literally powerless against the FAA service games who is not one of the best by any stretch of the imagination.
Federer looks like a player ranked 70-90 who still has an aura that can intimidate the player who plays the person not the ball. That will only get you so far. Two rounds at best.
Feather
Legend
His movement is not there. Can't help it
40-15 still haunts me
Banned
At least he’s playing, unlike Nadal who says he’s super injured yet has been pictured playing golf
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Roger needs to run a fly pattern all the way to the goal line if he wants to go real deep.
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He just needs to be fit. Hasn't looked it so far these last weeks.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Same as 2015 and 2019. Force the issue. Serve like you're Ivo Karlovic on crack. Let Novak keep coming up with the highlight reel shots, he can't make them all.
No guarantee it'll work for Fed, but that's his best bet for the title at this point.
Lol Adrinao mannarino is a tough first round as he is ranked 42. 2nd round is a easy one. 3rd will be Norrie who made the Finals is queens last week and many expected him to make a deep run this year at SW19.
4th round will be Queery who was the Quarterfinalist last last time. Both Querry/Sonego made the finals in Warm up event.
Feds draw is not the hardest but difficult than djokers challenger level Quarter
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
They are all rubbish players, if med goes out he can basically cake walk into semis
Like Nadal had a rubbish one till QFs in FO
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
He had sinner and the others were marginally better
Sinner ousted in 1st round of wimbledon he is just a young ball basher with a lot to learn. Nadal was lucky to face him...he choked multiple times in that match
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
Comparing different surface, they play so differently, sinner is way better than any player Fred will play in the first 4 rounds comparatively that’s for sure.. organisers rigged it but regardless Fred hasn’t got the stamina
Sinner is trash except ball bashing he can't do anything. Draw was rigged at RG too till QFs but in SFs we saw who lacked stamina
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
I think we saw in the first round Fed needed organisers money to save him… please sir retire save me the embarrassment!!!
Yeah better than skipping slam and playing golf. I think someone looking for career transition...he knows he can't win either. How about that isn't it embarassing
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
20 is still the best number and all are chasing it at the momentStill has 20...might not matter after this Slam, but you never know
DIMI_D
Hall of Fame
He will go deeper at US than grandpa FRED he is so jealous his records are falling fruitlessly trying to protect them!! Oh man it’s sad
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Spencer Gore
Legend
He's had a huge stroke of luck. Let's see if he can capitalise.
S'in-net
Semi-Pro
That's the no nonsense size of it.........
Heads can turn but the truth cuts through the nonsense
Only if he gets a easy draw like 17,19. In 17 he won without facing at top 25 player. Federer still has hair the one who lacks that is grandpa haha....
