Buttah. The closest to the newer modern PS would the discontinued PS 97S V2 imo.How did Sampras' stock racket play compared to the newer Wilson ps models?
Anyone played with these rackets and newer models to compare?
Not with Sampras' setup though...
Great leverage and control from small head; dime sized sweet spot making full gut almost a necessity.
A good multi wouldn't make the cut?
When I tried the 85 back in the 90s there were two of them, one strung with I think Sensation and one with gut. The gut restring provided some power and forgiveness - we were playing with heavy balls on clay - and much needed comfort and enhanced feel; the sweet spot was very small, even in comparison with my 95” Princes. The fact that I was already using 28” racquets would have coloured my overall impressions. The control was way up there with virtually no trampoline sensation but depth was somewhat hard to come by. The racquet was really suited to flat drives, and it’s strengths and limitations reminded me of a wood racquet - I played with wood and wood composites until my early 20s - or at least a much stiffer evolution of one.A good multi wouldn't make the cut?
I consider the blade rackets probably one of the best series ever.Never played with an original St. Vincent's frame, but have the more recent RF85 frame that Wilson made in a limited production run. It is an awesome racquet if you have the game to use it. Strung it with a full gut bed, a lot of fun to play with.
On good days, I have the game to use the racquet well. On other days, well, I pull the Blade 98 from the bag.
Which 95" Prince is this?When I tried the 85 back in the 90s there were two of them, one strung with I think Sensation and one with gut. The gut restring provided some power and forgiveness - we were playing with heavy balls on clay - and much needed comfort and enhanced feel; the sweet spot was very small, even in comparison with my 95” Princes. The fact that I was already using 28” racquets would have coloured my overall impressions. The control was way up there with virtually no trampoline sensation but depth was somewhat hard to come by. The racquet was really suited to flat drives, and it’s strengths and limitations reminded me of a wood racquet - I played with wood and wood composites until my early 20s - or at least a much stiffer evolution of one.
But then what would be the point?Not with Sampras' setup though...
For one...how much racket technology has progressed or not.But then what would be the point?
But Sampras' setup was the key ingredient of the technology that is lacking in today's racquets.For one...how much racket technology has progressed or not.
Prince Equipe LB MP 95" (In reality closer to 97" using ellipse formula but was called a 95" to better compete with the Wilson 6.1 classic.)Which 95" Prince is this?
Wut?I still have an original 85 and it feels more flexible and heavy than the original.
Made a correction. I meant to say newer.Wut?
I'm not really interested in Sampras' setup in this thread. This is not about Sampras. If you cannot compare the rackets, you are welcome to discuss his setup in a new thread perhaps? As we are not professional players capable of playing with Sampras' extreme setups, the focus and point is on the racket in stock form. I'm basically trying to determine how much thin framed Wilson rackets have changed in the composites especially...and how different it would feel against a modern Wilson racket that are shaped similarly. Or shaped as similarly as possible.But Sampras' setup was the key ingredient of the technology that is lacking in today's racquets.
I have the same problem with one of my Prince 95 rackets. Very small sweetspot and also flexible and heavy.I still have an original 85 and it feels more flexible and heavy than the newer wilson sticks. Sweet spot is small. Good serving but I tend to frame the ball more than the new RF 97.
overall I love it but it is much difficult to play well with.
I'm not really interested in Sampras' setup in this thread. This is not about Sampras. If you cannot compare the rackets, you are welcome to discuss his setup in a new thread perhaps? As we are not professional players capable of playing with Sampras' extreme setups, the focus and point is on the racket in stock form. I'm basically trying to determine how much thin framed Wilson rackets have changed in the composites especially...and how different it would feel against a modern Wilson racket that are shaped similarly. Or shaped as similarly as possible.
Besides....I'm sure Sampras would have leaded the modern rackets also, even Babolat or Head.
I’ve been playing for the past couple of months with racquets set up to play very similar to Sampras racquet in a more forgiving package, and I’m not talking about the stock PS85.I'm not really interested in Sampras' setup in this thread. This is not about Sampras. If you cannot compare the rackets, you are welcome to discuss his setup in a new thread perhaps? As we are not professional players capable of playing with Sampras' extreme setups, the focus and point is on the racket in stock form. I'm basically trying to determine how much thin framed Wilson rackets have changed in the composites especially...and how different it would feel against a modern Wilson racket that are shaped similarly. Or shaped as similarly as possible.
Besides....I'm sure Sampras would have leaded the modern rackets also, even Babolat or Head.
Edit: perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to say?
Imagine playing a PS85 with a full bed of poly. I bet a piece of dust has a larger sweetspot.Great leverage and control from small head; dime sized sweet spot making full gut almost a necessity.
My Prostaff 85 hits amazing with Sheep Micro and/or Wilson Power.Great leverage and control from small head; dime sized sweet spot making full gut almost a necessity.
Imagine playing a PS85 with a full bed of poly. I bet a piece of dust has a larger sweetspot.
Give me Same strings but in iPrestige Mid and bring me in early 2000th and I would get twice more Joy from every single shotMy Prostaff 85 hits amazing with Sheep Micro and/or Wilson Power.
And ironically, I think regular multi is total crap. Give me the old school pure syn gut.
Good post. Thanks.If I understood correctly I think what you're trying to get is a comparison between the original PS85 and "today's version" which in many ways is the RF97. I think the reason some people are confused is because such a thread belongs in the racquet section rather than the pro's gear section but nvm.
End of the day today's frames are a lot more forgiving and come in a lighter package. More specifically, comparing the RF97 to the PS85 the former is stiffer, lighter, and more powerful overall while the latter will have a smaller sweet spot and a more classic "buttery" feel which when combined with the right string setup and stroke can produce thunderbolts on occasion. The modern game can't quite cope with the likes of the PS85 in the same way that it does with larger headsize sticks like the RF97 because when the ball is coming at you quickly and with a lot of spin you need something that's gonna hold up to it, especially when impact is made off center. That being said, the likes of the PS85 are in no way "dead" and playing with one from time to time is not only a great way of tuning your strokes but also an awesome way of having fun because these kinds of frames play fantastically and feel like something which no modern frame can really offer.
My (admittedly expensive) recommendation to you is to buy either a vintage PS85 or the RF85 which is very similar and to give it a go on court. As much as comparisons by people on the internet can be helpful (and I hope mine has been) the only way to really know how something plays/feels is to try it yourself. Good luck!
I fully agree. One of my 95" rackets are about 340g and plays great when my game is on. But it's too demanding for me and I know my wrist won't cope with a Sampras setup.I never played with Sampras' Pro Staff but once when I had my racquets strung by the same guy who had strung a couple of his I did get to at least hold one. His racquet was pretty heavy. He had 3 layers of lead tape from 2 to 4 and 10 to 8. He used thin gauge gut strung tight, I didn't ask the exact tension but I could feel just from hitting it against my hand that it was tight. The grip, as I recall, was pretty big. I'd wager that even good rec players could not handle his racquet for more than a couple minutes.