How Federer can beat Nadal

[roysid]

lol nadal clearly doesn't enjoy indian wells and miami either but he still won iw and made miami finals and should've won in 2005 in 3 straight sets vs. fed if the line call challenge had been used. he was robbed there, which made the fedfanboys worship fed with glee.

Really. If there was no challenge, Fed would have won that second set and USO' 2009

Down with challenge system.

 

[roysid]

I don't know how he can beat Nadal. It's like fighting with 1 sword against 2. The only advantage he has is that he has an attacking instinct. That's all. He isn't a great volleyer. Is a bad returner. In fact, all aspects of his game depends on his confidence. Against Nadal, confidence goes and so does return, volley, backhand and then forehand.

Fed's natural game is to hang around in rallies and hit winners when comfortable. With Nadal he can't rally. He has to press the button. Go for the winner. And in important points, when his winner returns back he is crushed. I really empathize with him at that time.

I am not criticizing him, telling the facts.

 

[PrinceMoron]

I don't know how he can beat Nadal. It's like fighting with 1 sword against 2. The only advantage he has is that he has an attacking instinct. That's all. He isn't a great volleyer. Is a bad returner. In fact, all aspects of his game depends on his confidence. Against Nadal, confidence goes and so does return, volley, backhand and then forehand.

Fed's natural game is to hang around in rallies and hit winners when comfortable. With Nadal he can't rally. He has to press the button. Go for the winner. And in important points, when his winner returns back he is crushed. I really empathize with him at that time.

I am not criticizing him, telling the facts.

This is some version of tennis without serves? Tie break percentages? Break points taken? And it doesn't matter how good you are if you are unfit and can't defend a GS title.

 

[lgbalfa]

serve and volley.

 

[Mike Sams]

become a pusher and moonball all day.

 

[cc0509]

In short, it's less of a mental problem and more to do with the fact that Rafa has the tools to contain Fed on these surfaces (I hate to say it, but another way of putting it is that Rafa is simply better than Fed on these surfaces as of 2009)

I think it is both a mental thing and the fact that Nadal has the game plan to beat Federer. I also agree with you that since 2008 or 2009 Nadal has simply been better in their match-ups and that will not get any better any time soon now that Federer is 30. In short, he won't beat Nadal again in a slam IMO.

 

[Mike Sams]

I think it is both a mental thing and the fact that Nadal has the game plan to beat Federer. I also agree with you that since 2008 or 2009 Nadal has simply been better in their match-ups and that will not get any better any time soon now that Federer is 30. In short, he won't beat Nadal again in a slam IMO.

If Federer was 18 and coming up right now against the likes of Nadal, he'd be using a very different approach. He'd be MUCH more of a grinder as opposed to a genius shotmaker. He'd be happy to run and grind all day as is common in today's game.

 

[cc0509]

If Federer was 18 and coming up right now against the likes of Nadal, he'd be using a very different approach. He'd be MUCH more of a grinder as opposed to a genius shotmaker. He'd be happy to run and grind all day as is common in today's game.

Yes, but thankfully he is not a grinder (that is all we need, more grinders!)
Fed has lost some foot speed and his reflexes are slower and at his level those things make a huge difference. If you look at clips of Federer between 2001-2007, the difference in his speed and reaction time between then and now is like night and day sadly.

 

[Big_Dangerous]

Fed can't even beat Isner on clay right now...

What chance does he have against Rafa?

 

[AlpineCadet]

A Fed-fanboy owns a time-traveling machine and brings back the '05 Fed--but only with the '12 experience included. Nadal would be hoping for a high bouncing clay surface, or a surefire anti-fed opponent to climb back from the losses. Seriously though, it seems RF has age on his mind and his instincts/confidence/fear just can't keep up with him ATM. RF is currently topping out at number 3 and IMO dropping.. and what I can see now is the exit sign until the Olympics are over.

BTW, I am a *******.

 

[Clarky21]

A Fed-fanboy owns a time-traveling machine and brings back the '05 Fed--but only with the '12 experience included. Nadal would be hoping for a high bouncing clay surface, or a surefire anti-fed opponent to climb back from the losses. Seriously though, it seems RF has age on his mind and his instincts/confidence/fear just can't keep up with him ATM. RF is currently topping out at number 3 and IMO dropping.. and what I can see now is the exit sign until the Olympics are over.

BTW, I am a *******.

He played a bad match but that does not spell the end of his career. Roger is still playing at a high level,and just made the semis of a slam. DC has never been a priority to him,and he seems to be mailing it in just so he can qualify for the Olympics. He will improve as the season goes on,I'm sure.

 

[zagor]

He played a bad match but that does spell the end of his career. Roger is still playing at a high level,and just made the semis of a slam. DC has never been a priority to him,and he seems to be mailing it in just so he can qualify for the Olympics. He will improve as the season goes on,I'm sure.

Nope, he qualified for Olympics last year, this tie was not obligatory for him to play Olympics.

 

[elpolaco84]

Nope, he qualified for Olympics last year, this tie was not obligatory for him to play Olympics.

I think he was trying to win this tie just to avoid playing every single year post USopen just to mantain Switzerland in the World Group.

 

[Lawn Tennis]

Djokovic has shown us how he beats Nadal over and over, and that is by nailing Nadal's bh corner to open the fh side. Now at the WTF '11 Federer pummeled Nadal's bh side with success. Why wasn't Federer able to stay the course this AO '12 semi? He did it in the first few games, but then his shots began to meander to Nadal's fh. Now I'm not saying Nadal's bh is a total weakness -- I'm saying that Federer should stay away from Nadal's fh at most all costs.. it only gets him in trouble.

Has anyone else noticed Federer's ignorance to stick to a winning recipe? Patrick McEnroe surely did.

Now has anyone noticed Federer's shot selection, when biased toward Nadal's bh, is effective?