How often do players on the futures tour "make it"?

[forehand_dude]

It looks like most of the players on the futures tour are ranked around 400 to 2000.

How realistic a shot do these guys have? Are there many examples who have gone from the futures tour to the ATP tour (say top 100)?

Or are these just no-talent delusional clowns and rich boys having fun?

 

[vbranis]

It looks like most of the players on the futures tour are ranked around 400 to 2000.

How realistic a shot do these guys have? Are there many examples who have gone from the futures tour to the ATP tour (say top 100)?

Or are these just no-talent delusional clowns and rich boys having fun?

EVERY player in the top 100 had to go through Futures at one time or another. And of course all of them are hoping to make it to the top 100-200, they are chasing their dream. They believe they can do it, and quite frankly, they are all VERY GOOD players, I would never call them 'not talented' or 'delusional'. The difference between being ranked 200 and 2000 is smaller than you might think.

 

[wasta]

But most of them won't.

 

[ubermeyer]

everyone starts somewhere

 

[Lion King]

I guess some young and promising players start out getting wildcards into main draws of tournaments on their home soil. That way they can earn points and get higher rankings without going through the wear and tear of the futures circuit. I am sure that Federer, Nadal, Murray, etc. got WCs early on in their career.

 

[Max G.]

Murray actually played quite a number of Futures. 15, I think. Federer didn't play any.

Seems like it depends on the player and how quickly they get pro-level success and how early they start.

 

[shouldretire]

Murray actually played quite a number of Futures. 15, I think. Federer didn't play any.

Seems like it depends on the player and how quickly they get pro-level success and how early they start.

Thanks for the info. Is it true that Federer is much older than the official info? I was told that he lied about his age in the juniors to advance his career. It was easy to believe too knowing how he hooked the lines and cheated in the juniors.

 

[フェデラー]

Thanks for the info. Is it true that Federer is much older than the official info? I was told that he lied about his age in the juniors to advance his career. It was easy to believe too knowing how he hooked the lines and cheated in the juniors.

as usual you lie again again to further your own agenda. do you work at fox news? I bet they would love to have you!

 

[shouldretire]

as usual you lie again again to further your own agenda. do you work at fox news? I bet they would love to have you!

Great job on diverting the subject. Unbelievable how low the discussion can sink these days around here. Sharing news and opinions doesn't cut it anymore these days. Dealing with the messenger instead of the message is the order of the day it seems. I doubt that even the trashiest news network would hire you.

 

[フェデラー]

Great job on diverting the subject. Unbelievable how low the discussion can sink these days around here. Sharing news and opinions doesn't cut it anymore these days. Dealing with the messenger instead of the message is the order of the day it seems. I doubt that even the trashiest news network would hire you.

wow you accuse me of diverting the subject when you act like this? Great job, maybe you should make a third account and the username will be ignoramus.

 

[shouldretire]

wow you accuse me of diverting the subject when you act like this? Great job, maybe you should make a third account and the username will be ignoramus.

Yes. Being a huge Federer fan and all, surely you'd know his real age by now? So post that info instead of bickering. Junior slams surely aren't that tough to win when you're 20+:lol:

 

[Max G.]

Thanks for the info. Is it true that Federer is much older than the official info? I was told that he lied about his age in the juniors to advance his career. It was easy to believe too knowing how he hooked the lines and cheated in the juniors.

I have no idea. I just looked at the atptennis.com listing of all results, and Federer didn't have any Futures listed, just challengers.

Other interesting info - Roddick played three futures, and lost in the first round of all of them. So he didn't "work his way up through futures", he just played a couple, but they're not what got his career going. Djokovic also did not play any Futures.

Nadal did work his way up through futures - he played one futures in 2001, lost in the 1st round. Came back in 2002, played something like 10 Futures tournaments, and they did help get his ranking up.

I picked some other players to look at. Sam Querrey played 8 futures tournaments. Gilles Simon played lots - 32 futures tournaments for him, going from mostly 1st round losses in 2002 to the occasional deep run in '03 to consistently getting to the later rounds and/or winning in 2004. Same for Juan Martin Del Potro, who played 24 futures tourneys, between '03 and 05. Same pattern - lots of 1st round losses early, progressing to wins by the end.

So yeah, while the best of the best can skip over them pretty quickly, and those who have the support of a big tennis federation like Querrey did can go through wildcards, even players like Simon and Del Potro - top 10 guys, though not dominating players - can spend a year or two playing lots of futures tournaments. It's not just the guys that are stuck at that level forever.

 

[nfor304]

I have no idea. I just looked at the atptennis.com listing of all results, and Federer didn't have any Futures listed, just challengers.

Other interesting info - Roddick played three futures, and lost in the first round of all of them. So he didn't "work his way up through futures", he just played a couple, but they're not what got his career going. Djokovic also did not play any Futures.

Nadal did work his way up through futures - he played one futures in 2001, lost in the 1st round. Came back in 2002, played something like 10 Futures tournaments, and they did help get his ranking up.

I picked some other players to look at. Sam Querrey played 8 futures tournaments. Gilles Simon played lots - 32 futures tournaments for him, going from mostly 1st round losses in 2002 to the occasional deep run in '03 to consistently getting to the later rounds and/or winning in 2004. Same for Juan Martin Del Potro, who played 24 futures tourneys, between '03 and 05. Same pattern - lots of 1st round losses early, progressing to wins by the end.

So yeah, while the best of the best can skip over them pretty quickly, and those who have the support of a big tennis federation like Querrey did can go through wildcards, even players like Simon and Del Potro - top 10 guys, though not dominating players - can spend a year or two playing lots of futures tournaments. It's not just the guys that are stuck at that level forever.

Older futures results dont come up on the ATP website, but if you go to itftennis.com/mens it shows Fed played quite a few Satellitte and Futures events as a teenager

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=10019424

Almost every player starts at Futures level, though there are exceptions like Agassi. Even Hewitt played futures and satellites before his tournament win as a 16 year old.

Its just the best players don't stay there very long while some people are destined never to go beyond that level.

 

[Hankenstein]

One good example i remember was when JC Ferrero made it to the big stage,, i think it was back in 00 or 01 or so when he made it to the semifinal of Granf Prix Hasan II in Casablanca (ATP event),, prior to that he won 19 straight matches in the 1´st Spanish Satellite of that year and then straight to this ATP Event Qualifying

 

[Max G.]

Older futures results dont come up on the ATP website, but if you go to itftennis.com/mens it shows Fed played quite a few Satellitte and Futures events as a teenager

OH! I didn't know that!

Maybe things they played before they turned pro aren't there?

Anyhow, ignore my stats then, they're wrong

 

[WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis]

But it was funny to see how someone jumped on them and "ran" with them so to speak in order to be derogatory towards a player. It was prime in showing them up.

 

[NamRanger]

Great job on diverting the subject. Unbelievable how low the discussion can sink these days around here. Sharing news and opinions doesn't cut it anymore these days. Dealing with the messenger instead of the message is the order of the day it seems. I doubt that even the trashiest news network would hire you.

My opinion is that you're beyond stupid and belong in the lowest cesspool of the human race. Except you don't see me spreading that in every thread now do you?

 

[TheMagicianOfPrecision]

It looks like most of the players on the futures tour are ranked around 400 to 2000.

How realistic a shot do these guys have? Are there many examples who have gone from the futures tour to the ATP tour (say top 100)?

Or are these just no-talent delusional clowns and rich boys having fun?

You have obviously never experienced the Future swamp,i have,for 3 years.
First of all,everyone has to start there more or less,Nadal played a couple of futures,Roddick did,Del Potro, some really really good players move on to the challengers very fast and then the atp-tournaments.
No-talent delusional clowns and rich boys?? NO. And if there would be,they would rapidly realize that there is someting else for them to do.

 

[vbranis]

Older futures results dont come up on the ATP website, but if you go to itftennis.com/mens it shows Fed played quite a few Satellitte and Futures events as a teenager

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=10019424

Almost every player starts at Futures level, though there are exceptions like Agassi. Even Hewitt played futures and satellites before his tournament win as a 16 year old.

Its just the best players don't stay there very long while some people are destined never to go beyond that level.

Good post, Roddick also played about 9 or 10 Futures. Djokovic played even more, almost 20, including one where he lost in the quarters to Monfils! Pretty good match for a Futures, eh?

Bottom line is, EVERYONE at the top played at least a few Futures.

 

[Andres]

Some players do not start playing Futures, but start playing Challengers instead.

 

[Serendipitous]

Andres Guazzelli

 

[egn]

Thanks for the info. Is it true that Federer is much older than the official info? I was told that he lied about his age in the juniors to advance his career. It was easy to believe too knowing how he hooked the lines and cheated in the juniors.

If thats the case then man how much do the players suck today that a 30 year old man is schooling 20 year olds and winning 2 slams a year.

Find me accounts of Fed cheating in the juniors?

Lets say Fed lied..how much could he lie by? I guess we say 2 years..so are you saying Federer did not peak until 25. So in that case Fed was in his late 20s winning 3 slams a year and dominate a tour that nobody ever seemed imaginable. Now when you say much older are we talking 3-4 years. Do you realize how moronic you sound? This is not American Little Leauge baseball and we are not dealing with a 14 year old saying he is 12 or a 16 year old saying he is 14. Now in professional tennis Federer if he had lied should be close to 30 or maybe 30 and name 30 year olds who can still do what Federer did. You say some of the dumbest things ever.

Yes. Being a huge Federer fan and all, surely you'd know his real age by now? So post that info instead of bickering. Junior slams surely aren't that tough to win when you're 20+

I bet you still couldn't win a junior slam and I imagine you are in your 20s. Also second that if Fed was in his 20s when he won wimbledon juniors once again anyone, even someone with as little common sense as you, should realize how hard it is to dominate a tour winning 15 slams from the ages 25-35. When most all time great tennis players flame out by 31. Even Rod Laver could not do much past 31, but according to you Federer lied about his age and is probably now well into his 30s and is still dominating the tour. Please lets not make any more idiotic statements. If you are a supporter of anyone of Fed's rivals you just hurt yourself with these accusations. Besides if you knew anything do well in junior tennis does not help you in the real tennis rankings. Just look at Donald Young.

 

[Andres]

Andres Guazzelli

Eh?

10 chars

 

[Serendipitous]

Eh?

10 chars

How are you?

 

[Andres]

I've been better, but I'm not as bad to be complaining, really.
Thanks for asking. How are YOU?

 

[Serendipitous]

I've been better, but I'm not as bad to be complaining, really.
Thanks for asking. How are YOU?

I'm great, thanks!

 

[shouldretire]

My opinion is that you're beyond stupid and belong in the lowest cesspool of the human race. Except you don't see me spreading that in every thread now do you?

What does that have to do with the subject?:roll: If this was a thread about beyond stupid and lowest cesspool, I am sure you would be featured prominently. Your lies and hypocricy have been exposed already. Stop spreading your nonsense in every thread.

 

[VivalaVida]

What does that have to do with the subject?:roll: If this was a thread about beyond stupid and lowest cesspool, I am sure you would be featured prominently. Your lies and hypocricy have been exposed already. Stop spreading your nonsense in every thread.

We ask the same from you.

 

[Serendipitous]

What does that have to do with the subject?:roll: If this was a thread about beyond stupid and lowest cesspool, I am sure you would be featured prominently. Your lies and hypocricy have been exposed already. Stop spreading your nonsense in every thread.

gj011

 

[shouldretire]

We ask the same from you.

Did you mean to post this from your NamRanger account? You are getting caught in your own web of deciet.

 

[Serendipitous]

Did you mean to post this from your NamRanger account? You are getting caught in your own web of deciet.

Nice metaphor.


No offense, VivalaVida.

 

[VivalaVida]

Did you mean to post this from your NamRanger account? You are getting caught in your own web of deciet.

Nice come back, tool. Perhaps you shouldnt be talking on this matter as you are also under suspicion of deceit.

 

[VivalaVida]

Nice metaphor.


No offense, VivalaVida.

none taken, S.

 

[aphex]

Did you mean to post this from your NamRanger account? You are getting caught in your own web of deciet.

time to get banned.

tool.

 

[JeMar]

What does that have to do with the subject?:roll: If this was a thread about beyond stupid and lowest cesspool, I am sure you would be featured prominently. Your lies and hypocricy have been exposed already. Stop spreading your nonsense in every thread.

This was soooooo like gj011.

 

[forehand_dude]

To get back to the point of this thread...

What do you think of the potential of Blake Strode? He got to the finals of a futures tournament earlier this month, and then won a futures tournament this week.

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=100103302

Could he be the great American hope that Donald Young was not?

 

[Brned]

To get back to the point of this thread...

What do you think of the potential of Blake Strode? He got to the finals of a futures tournament earlier this month, and then won a futures tournament this week.

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=100103302

Could he be the great American hope that Donald Young was not?

I doubt, He's already 22.

 

[shouldretire]

Nice come back, tool. Perhaps you shouldnt be talking on this matter as you are also under suspicion of deceit.

time to get banned.

tool.

Yes that word describes you perfectly. Or perhaps toolshed is more like it, since you use multiple accounts. Your games, tricks and deceit just don't work anymore. Everyone is able to see you for who you are.

 

[martinross]

talk about hijacking a thread

If you don't mind a post on the original subject - I seem to remember Johnny McEnroe went from college tennis straight to the pros (qualifier at Wimbledon then won a few rounds there and off he goes)