How to get rid of "boardy" feel on 2HBH tips for tomorrow?

[MaratSafin_fan]

Sorry for asking this again and again but this is a huge problem and I cant get rid of this! Seems impossible but tomorrow I am gonna practice with the ball machine and I wonder if you could write what I should practice the most and change to get rid of the "boardy" feeling on my 2HBH.

Two things I really wonder is if I should change the swing into a loop to get more swingweight in the stroke?
The other question is if a 2HBH should have the same comfort as 1HBH and forehand or should a 2HBH feel alittle more "boardy" and stiff because of the two hands on the handle?

One thing that is weird is that when I hit a 2HBH and really tries to get under the ball it feels good sometimes but after awhile I feel the "boardy" feeling again.

Please give me much help as I can get and write as much you can and about your own exeperience about this problem. Write accurately so I can understand I try that out tomorrow!

Thanks.

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

And one thing I wonder is if I could increase the comfort with any strings, weights at 3 & 9 o'clock or anything else.

Write anything which relates to boardy feeling in 2HBH!

Thanks.

 

[Jura-SB]

I've had the same problem.

One and only thing you should understand on 2HBH...It's the forehand with the non-playing arm
The other hand is here just to make the grip more firm and that "helping" arm should be loose as it can be.
Don't be stiff with the helping arm.
Your hitting arm (left if you're right handed) is making all the stroke.
So you have forehand on the other side and play it like that ....with all that one forehand has to have.
Hope I've helped.
Here's a good video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezW20Vlh4w

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

I've had the same problem.

One and only thing you should understand on 2HBH...It's the forehand with the non-playing arm
The other hand is here just to make the grip more firm and that "helping" arm should be loose as it can be.
Don't be stiff with the helping arm.
Your hitting arm (left if you're right handed) is making all the stroke.
So you have forehand on the other side and play it like that ....with all that one forehand has to have.
Hope I've helped.
Here's a good video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezW20Vlh4w

Ok thanks!

Does your 2HBH feel smooth just as your forehand or 1HBH now?

 

[jigar]

I have better 2HBH and I wish I have the same feeling on my 1HFH.

To getter better feel of the contact/hit point. Try to hit ball further away from you. It means not further in front but more away from side.
Keep your arm relaxed during the swing and it will give you the feeling.

I found the weight transfer during the stroke is also very important to get the feel of the solid hit.

These tips are just to get good feeling but not necessarily 100% fundamental improvement.

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

How can I get the feeling of using my left hand for 90%? It is so hard for me to not involve my right hand. How can I stop using my right arm?

 

[jdawgg]

practice left handed forehands and repeat the same feeling in your backhand just using your right hand as a guide

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

The thing is when I just involve my right hand on the handle, even if it is a loose grip I dont make a soft stroke. I need a special tip just for erase the right arm.

 

[Jura-SB]

The thing is when I just involve my right hand on the handle, even if it is a loose grip I dont make a soft stroke. I need a special tip just for erase the right arm.

>There isn't some special tip.
Your grip has not got to be loose but your arm has to be (but it's easier to loosen up your hand if the grip is less strong/firm).
Just make your right arm softer...loose it.Loose your elbow and don't cut your movement with that arm.
Let your left hand lead the stroke.
Try to keep your right arm's (10% arm) elbow close to the body and make the stroke just with your forearm.

 

[Bud]

The thing is when I just involve my right hand on the handle, even if it is a loose grip I dont make a soft stroke. I need a special tip just for erase the right arm.

Hit on the outside of the ball (point on the ball furthest from your body). Doing this engages the left hand to be the dominant hand in the stroke.

 

[Limpinhitter]

Sorry for asking this again and again but this is a huge problem and I cant get rid of this! Seems impossible but tomorrow I am gonna practice with the ball machine and I wonder if you could write what I should practice the most and change to get rid of the "boardy" feeling on my 2HBH.

Two things I really wonder is if I should change the swing into a loop to get more swingweight in the stroke?
The other question is if a 2HBH should have the same comfort as 1HBH and forehand or should a 2HBH feel alittle more "boardy" and stiff because of the two hands on the handle?

One thing that is weird is that when I hit a 2HBH and really tries to get under the ball it feels good sometimes but after awhile I feel the "boardy" feeling again.

Please give me much help as I can get and write as much you can and about your own exeperience about this problem. Write accurately so I can understand I try that out tomorrow!

Thanks.

A few things I learned in my transition from a 1hb to a 2hb, many years ago:

First, make sure you're striking the ball in the sweet spot. 2hb's tend to give you a shorter reach and cause you to make contact toward the end of the racquet which would cause an even more "off-center" feel than the same contact with a 1hb. Second, make sure that your arms, wrists and hands are free of tension throughout the swing. If your arms, wrists and hands are rigid and full of muscle tension, contact with the ball is going to feel more "unforgiving" than it will if you are relaxed and tension free. Third, with your arms, wrists and hands relaxed, think of your 2hb stroke as if you were throwing the racquet through the swing path rather than pushing or forcing it through. That will help you to stay relaxed and tension free.

Hope that helps.

PS: What Bud said about dominating with the left hand (if you're a righty), is crucial. A right handed 2hb is really more of a left handed forehand. The right hand should be mostly passive. It also helps to understand that you have to employ a lot more upper body rotation (back and forth) with a 2hb because of the restricted swing caused by having 2 hands on the racquet.

To recap: hit the sweet spot, tension free arms, wrists and hands, left hand dominant/right hand passive, upper body rotation.

 

[jdawgg]

if you're a visual learner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezW20Vlh4w

 

[spun_out]

Hi,

I recently made significant improvements on my 2hbh and here are some things that helped (many of them thanks to tricky's posts, although I may have misinterpreted what he said).

1) Lead the take back in a pendulum motion with the right hand. You can get a feel for this by tracing the pendulum movement with right thumb pointing to the direction of the movement.

2) Make sure your left elbow is bent during this backswing movement.

3) Make sure that your left wrist is not bent upwards, that is, make sure your thumb-forearm angle is closer to 180 degrees than 90 degrees.

4) Make sure your left shoulder is above left during the backswing and forward swing.

When I follow the above points, my left arm extends during the forward movement and I get a much more fluid and effortless swing.

Hope this helps.

 

[Bud]

Hi,

I recently made significant improvements on my 2hbh and here are some things that helped (many of them thanks to tricky's posts, although I may have misinterpreted what he said).

1) Lead the take back in a pendulum motion with the right hand. You can get a feel for this by tracing the pendulum movement with right thumb pointing to the direction of the movement.

2) Make sure your left elbow is bent during this backswing movement.

3) Make sure that your left wrist is not bent upwards, that is, make sure your thumb-forearm angle is closer to 180 degrees than 90 degrees.

4) Make sure your left shoulder is above left during the backswing and forward swing.

When I follow the above points, my left arm extends during the forward movement and I get a much more fluid and effortless swing.

Hope this helps.

Please clarify point #4

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

For you guys who switch from 1hbh to 2hbh... does it feel very different in the feel of the stroke? Does the 2hbh feel more control and stiff or does it feel exactly the same as a 1hbh?

 

[Bud]

For you guys who switch from 1hbh to 2hbh... does it feel very different in the feel of the stroke? Does the 2hbh feel more control and stiff or does it feel exactly the same as a 1hbh?

Completely different stroke and feel versus the 1HBH. 2HBH feels very similar to a left-handed FH when executed properly.

 

[MaratSafin_fan]

Completely different stroke and feel versus the 1HBH. 2HBH feels very similar to a left-handed FH when executed properly.

Yes, I think I play my 2hbh to much as a 1hbh. I want to use my right hand to much because I am right handed.
So you mean that the soft feel and comfort should be the same or is a 1hbh more comfort accessible? Wait, I mean if I use my left hand 90% in 2hbh, should that give the same smooth feel as 1hbh?

 

[soyizgood]

if you're a visual learner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WezW20Vlh4w

That video is meh. He doesn't emphasize the importance to torso turn and generating power from leaning forward. Also having chin touch the front shoulder in setting up. Balance is key to hitting a clean 2HBH.

 

[Bud]

Hit on the outside of the ball (point on the ball furthest from your body). Doing this engages the left hand to be the dominant hand in the stroke.

Yes, I think I play my 2hbh to much as a 1hbh. I want to use my right hand to much because I am right handed.
So you mean that the soft feel and comfort should be the same or is a 1hbh more comfort accessible? Wait, I mean if I use my left hand 90% in 2hbh, should that give the same smooth feel as 1hbh?

Try hitting the outside of the ball. Focus on it, visualize hitting it there, etc. It forces you to engage the left arm rather than the right.

 

[spun_out]

Please clarify point #4

oops, I meant left higher than right.

And as for the advice of 2hbh being a left-handed forehand, it never worked for me because the backswing feels completely different between the two. The forehand is a loop (at least mine is), 2hbh is a pendulum. And even at contact, a forehand is likely a double-bend, whereas the left arm in a 2hbh is straight.