Is it time to stick a fork in de Minaur?

[Mark-Touch]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

 

[Terenigma]

He has a 6-0 H2H vs Murray. True He never played prime Murray but still, metal hip Murray has beaten Zverev, Tsitsipas and even Alcaraz but not De Minaur? What does this tell us?

 

[travlerajm]

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/alex-de-minaur-is-officially-the-new-world-1-%E2%80%A6.758681/

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Terrible comparison.

For a start, De Minaur wasn't touted as the same prospect that Shapovalov was. Shapovalov burst onto the scene as an 18 year old defeating Del Potro and then #1 Nadal at his home Masters en route to the SF.

Shapo has had huge moments over the years from leading Canada to the 2019 Davis Cup finals to a Masters final in Paris in 2019 to a slam SF at the 2021 US Open. But he's not consistent.

De Minaur meanwhile is a workhorse. A top 30 staple, he works hard and is always there. As you said, he has 7 titles. Shapovalov has ONE. One title in his entire career and it's a 250.

So no, don't stick a fork in a great worker like De Minaur.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

De Minaur has 6 top 10 wins this year alone, Shapovalov? 0.

 

[Winners or Errors]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

Demon shows up to play every match. Yes, he loses to better players, but he also has put up a few surprising wins. Why are you so down on a guy that scraps and claws for everything he gets? I don't get it. Shapo, for all his talent, doesn't show up every match, and never has, and probably never will.

 

[Mainad]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

De Minaur has 7 titles, as you point out. Shapo has just 1. De Minaur is ambitious and is eager to improve. Shapo doesn't seem to want to put in the effort. Big difference!

 

[MichaelNadal]

De Minaur has 6 top 10 wins this year alone, Shapovalov? 0.

Underrated indeed

 

[Mark-Touch]

Demon shows up to play every match. Yes, he loses to better players, but he also has put up a few surprising wins. Why are you so down on a guy that scraps and claws for everything he gets? I don't get it. Shapo, for all his talent, doesn't show up every match, and never has, and probably never will.

I'm not down on de Minaur at all. I don't know what gave you that idea.
Mine is a totally tongue-in-cheek post. It should be apparent.

I'm not saying "Start picking on de Minaur".
I'm saying "STOP picking on Shapo".
Because at the end of the day, leaving aside scalps that either may have collected along the way,
they both are pretty much in the same boat accomplishment-wise and money-wise.

And de Minaur is just the first chap that came to my head. I could probably pick another dozen!
Do you guys get it now (especially the overly-sensitive Aussies here)?

 

[Bambooman]

Every day when you live on a farm.

 

[travlerajm]

I remind folks that the demon remains the #1 UTR-ranked player in the world among players in their prime (between 23 and 26).

In other words, the best of worst-gen.

 

[Mainad]

m not saying "Start picking on de Minaur".
I'm saying "STOP picking on Shapo".

Hmmm....you're starting to sound a bit disingenous now. After all, you did start the thread by asking "Is it time to stick a fork in De Minaur?"
He may not be as talented as Shapo but he works a damn sight harder and has notched up 7 titles to Shapo's solitary 1. He puts in the effort, Shapo doesn't.

Shapo's career shows that talent is not enough. You have to put in the effort as well.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Hmmm....you're starting to sound a bit disingenous now. After all, you did start the thread by asking "Is it time to stick a fork in De Minaur?"
He may not be as talented as Shapo but he works a damn sight harder and has notched up 7 titles to Shapo's solitary 1. He puts in the effort, Shapo doesn't.

Shapo's career shows that talent is not enough. You have to put in the effort as well.

Come on Mainad. It should have been blatantly obvious what the intent of the thread was all along.
That I have to spell it out for you is a bit hilarious!
Did the 'Fork Shapo' thread fly by your radar?

The title of this thread was meant to say, "No it is not time to stick a fork in Shapo nor any other player!"

 

[Mainad]

Come on Mainad. It should have been blatantly obvious what the intent of the thread was all along.
That I have to spell it out for you is a bit hilarious!
Did the 'Fork Shapo' thread fly by your radar?

The title of this thread was meant to say, "No it is not time to stick a fork in Shapo nor any other player!"

Well, ok. I think your revised title thread is a much better way to make your point!

 

[Winners or Errors]

I'm not down on de Minaur at all. I don't know what gave you that idea.
Mine is a totally tongue-in-cheek post. It should be apparent.

I'm not saying "Start picking on de Minaur".
I'm saying "STOP picking on Shapo".
Because at the end of the day, leaving aside scalps that either may have collected along the way,
they both are pretty much in the same boat accomplishment-wise and money-wise.

And de Minaur is just the first chap that came to my head. I could probably pick another dozen!
Do you guys get it now (especially the overly-sensitive Aussies here)?

...but Shapo is much more talented and doesn't show up. That makes him, for me, less worth rooting for than Demon. I don't see them on the same level where character is concerned.

 

[Mark-Touch]

...but Shapo is much more talented and doesn't show up. That makes him, for me, less worth rooting for than Demon. I don't see them on the same level where character is concerned.

I can't argue with you at all about that!
And yet, the "much more talented" player has an 0-4 h2h against de Minaur.

 

[Tennis_Slapper23]

This is a hilarious post. Denis was held in the same regard as Zverev, FAA and Stefanos talent wise for awhile. I’ve never heard anyone talk about Alex in the same skill range as those Shapo was compared with. Alex has probably overachieved his expectations. I never saw him going above top 25 and thought he would float around 30-50 for most of his prime.

 

[Sudacafan]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

He's 5'10" or 5'11".

 

[Mark-Touch]

He's 5'10" or 5'11".

Yeah he always looked a tad shorter than Boulter.
He's also over-achieved in the women dept.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

I'm not down on de Minaur at all. I don't know what gave you that idea.
Mine is a totally tongue-in-cheek post. It should be apparent.

I'm not saying "Start picking on de Minaur".
I'm saying "STOP picking on Shapo".
Because at the end of the day, leaving aside scalps that either may have collected along the way,
they both are pretty much in the same boat accomplishment-wise and money-wise.

And de Minaur is just the first chap that came to my head. I could probably pick another dozen!
Do you guys get it now (especially the overly-sensitive Aussies here)?

The comparison was terrible because by all evidence, Shapovalov should "have a fork stuck in him" because he looks done. No top 10 wins this year. No titles. No finals. Nothing.

De Minaur? ATP500 champ, Masters runner up, Queens runner up. 6 top 10 wins. He's a chance at making the Year End Championships. Fantastic year.

I also wouldn't say they are in the same boat accomplishment wise. Shapovalov has one title. De Minaur has 7. Since Shapovalov won his first and only title, De Minaur has won 4 including a 500. Shapo's was just a 250.

The only equal thing is the prize money and that's because Shapovalov shows up once a year at a high paying tournament like the 2021 US Open. One slam SF pays more than 5+ 250's and 500's.

If you value it all just on money then sure, but when Denis broke onto the scene he was touted as a future multi slam champion. He's failed. De Minaur was never hyped to win a slam and has more then proven his talents. Shapovalov has failed to live up to his.

 

[Mark-Touch]

The comparison was terrible because by all evidence, Shapovalov should "have a fork stuck in him" because he looks done. No top 10 wins this year. No titles. No finals. Nothing.

De Minaur? ATP500 champ, Masters runner up, Queens runner up. 6 top 10 wins. He's a chance at making the Year End Championships. Fantastic year.

I also wouldn't say they are in the same boat accomplishment wise. Shapovalov has one title. De Minaur has 7. Since Shapovalov won his first and only title, De Minaur has won 4 including a 500. Shapo's was just a 250.

The only equal thing is the prize money and that's because Shapovalov shows up once a year at a high paying tournament like the 2021 US Open. One slam SF pays more than 5+ 250's and 500's.

If you value it all just on money then sure, but when Denis broke onto the scene he was touted as a future multi slam champion. He's failed. De Minaur was never hyped to win a slam and has more then proven his talents. Shapovalov has failed to live up to his.

Touted by who? Certainly not by me. I never jumped onto the Shapo bandwagon. Even from day one. There was always something off with his game for me.
The best metric to see who's achieved more in tennis is prize money. It takes into account everything (for current players).
And right now, Shapo is slightly ahead of de Minaur.

Sorry if I struck a nerve with this post. As I mentioned above it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Lauren_Girl']

De Minaur has already exploited his full potential. He is a weaker version of someone like Ferrer. Ranked #13 today but I don't expect him to be much higher than this. Maybe he could be top-10 for a few weeks and win a M1000 some day if he has a good draw, but that's about it. He isn't a future world number #1 or Grand Slam winner. He will continue to win 250 and beat some top-10 once in a while, have a couple of Slam QF but that's the limit. Still, given his playing style and his blatant lack of power, he's having an outstanding career so far.

Shapovalov has (or had) the game to win a Slam and be a consitent top-10 player. He has the power to beat anybody if he has a good day. When he was 18-19, many said he'd be a future ATG. I remember the hype when he beat Nadal in Canada, and still 2 years later when he made the final in Paris. I'm not " sticking a fork" in him yet, but he is a big disappointment. A lazy player and a mental midget. His choke against Nadal in Australia last year was quite epic, I still wonder how he lost that 5th set. If he was a hard-worker with more mental skills, he'd regular Slam contender...

 

[Musterrific]

De Minaur's work ethic and demeanor (ha!) are certainly admirable qualities, but goddamn is his game ever boring. It's very frustrating as a tennis fan to see a generally likeable player with a style you can't stand.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

He has a 6-0 H2H vs Murray. True He never played prime Murray but still, metal hip Murray has beaten Zverev, Tsitsipas and even Alcaraz but not De Minaur? What does this tell us?

Murray choked badly in the last 2 matches at the very least.
Additionally, flat hitters like Medvedev, RBA, Demon etc have been troublesome for him ever since he came back from the injuries.

 

[Mark-Touch]

After de Minaur's walkover today over Sinner he was rumored to have been spotted singing Dire Strait's song
Money for Nothing. Only he had changed the lyrics slightly:

"Money for nothin' and your chicks checks for free".

With an 0-5 h2h against Sinner, who could blame him?

 

[tennis24x7]

Terrible comparison.

For a start, De Minaur wasn't touted as the same prospect that Shapovalov was. Shapovalov burst onto the scene as an 18 year old defeating Del Potro and then #1 Nadal at his home Masters en route to the SF.

Shapo has had huge moments over the years from leading Canada to the 2019 Davis Cup finals to a Masters final in Paris in 2019 to a slam SF at the 2021 US Open. But he's not consistent.

De Minaur meanwhile is a workhorse. A top 30 staple, he works hard and is always there. As you said, he has 7 titles. Shapovalov has ONE. One title in his entire career and it's a 250.

So no, don't stick a fork in a great worker like De Minaur.

IT is amazing how players like Shapo don't realize time and again that you can never make it without hard work. They do realize when they have 1 or 2 years left and then try to turn around the ship but it is too late then.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Alex is a hard and mart worker and should be a tough matchup for Rublev. Djokovic would be a clear favourite but it is not too easy to win against a guy like him on that kind of hardcourt.

 

[helterskelter]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

Was much ever expected of De MUGaur? I always thought that most regarded his tennis as a real piece of De Manure.

His results are commensurate with his perceived ability, which isn't the case for Shapo, though maybe Shapo was never really that gifted, either.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Was much ever expected of De MUGaur? I always thought that most regarded his tennis as a real piece of De Manure.

His results are commensurate with his perceived ability, which isn't the case for Shapo, though maybe Shapo was never really that gifted, either.

At least certainly not in his cerebral faculties.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

De Minaur's work ethic and demeanor (ha!) are certainly admirable qualities, but goddamn is his game ever boring. It's very frustrating as a tennis fan to see a generally likeable player with a style you can't stand.

I like his style. Frustrating the other player by running everything down.

 

[DSH]

I mean seriously, is all the recent criticism of Shapo justified?
Why are we giving de Minaur a free pass?
Why is he allowed to fly under the radar here without worrying about being roasted?

Is it his seven titles that allow him to escape criticism?

What has he accomplished on the big stage at slams? Is it any different than Shapo really?
Both Shapo and de Minaur are 24 years old.

They are neck and neck with prize money,
Shapo actually slightly ahead with $11 million!

Great things were expected from Shapovalov at an early age, instead, not even his family thought that De Minaur was going to win important tournaments or be at the top of the rankings, which is why the Canadian receives more justified criticism than the Australian.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Great things were expected from Shapovalov at an early age, instead, not even his family thought that De Minaur was going to win important tournaments or be at the top of the rankings, which is why the Canadian receives more justified criticism than the Australian.

Fair to a degree.
I remember a number of years ago there were quite a number of de Minaur threads with quite a lot, expectation-wise from him.
Has he lived up to the expectations?

 

[Born_to_slice]

Feminaur's mustache deserves more respect than Shapo's rap, for one.