Mischa Zverev will beat Rafa Nadal in Wimbledon

[FHtennisman]

You heard it here first. See you in the 3rd round.

Wouldn't ever surprised if that happens TBH, Rafa lost to Dustin Brown who served and volleyed pretty much every serve IIRC and Steve Darcis (have only seen highlights) but he also seemed to come to net often too. There is definite precedent for Nadal to succumb to players who move in aggressively to the net, but it remains to be seen if Mischa can 'zone' like opponents have against Rafa in the recent past.

 

[maximus]

Mischa Zverev has a good chance if he can play aggressive against Nadal, I think.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Mischa Zverev has a good chance if he can play aggressive against Nadal, I think.

 

[zagor]

I think he has a shot against the Nadal if the hangover from his first title win doesn't affect his play at Wimbledon.

I'm rooting for the guy, gotta support serve and volley. Hope he makes a deep run.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I think he has a shot against the Nadal if the hangover from his first title win doesn't affect his play at Wimbledon.

I'm rooting for the guy, gotta support serve and volley. Hope he makes a deep run.

Hmm, I didn't know he won eastbourne. Def ups his chances. Really a lot depends on which Rafa shows up too though

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Honestly, I think it will be a straight set demolition job for Nadal vs Mischa. Mischa has little to trouble Nadal with. Mischa's not a heavy enough hitter and a big enough server. Nadal couldn't have asked for a better quarter.

He was serving pretty big in Eastbourne and he's lefty, so he has the tool to trouble Nadal if he's a bit off.

 

[zagor]

Hmm, I didn't know he won eastbourne. Def ups his chances. Really a lot depends on which Rafa shows up too though

Not sure it does, it's too close to Wimbledon so it could be the opposite actually. A lot of these guys suffer a letdown after winning their first title (which takes its toll physically and emotionally) when there's not enough of a gap before the next tourney. Of course it would depend on Nadal as well. how well he's reading Mischa's serve and whether his passing shots are on point.

 

[tennis_pro]

I actually have Mischa making the QF. That bottom 8th is extremely weak.

Yeah I mean Nadal is in it.

 

[JackGates]

Haha, Fed fans are panicking, because Rafa is close to surpass Federer in the goat debate and are praying that someone takes out Rafa.
Why does it matter anyways, because even if Rafa wins 25 majors, they will say, hey it's 15 on clay, so it doesn't count. Only Fed fans have the logic where winning too much on one surface is used against you.

So, if Rafa won only 4 FO titles, he would be more balanced, right, therefore better player? Surely 4-3-2-1 is more balanced than 15-4-2-2, right?

 

[Sport]

Haha, Fed fans are panicking, because Rafa is close to surpass Federer in the goat debate and are praying that someone takes out Rafa.
Why does it matter anyways, because even if Rafa wins 25 majors, they will say, hey it's 15 on clay, so it doesn't count. Only Fed fans have the logic where winning too much on one surface is used against you.

So, if Rafa won only 4 FO titles, he would be more balanced, right, therefore better player? Surely 4-3-2-1 is more balanced than 15-4-2-2, right?

I agree with you @JackGates. A hypothetical player A with 15-4-2-2 has his Grand Slam titles more evenly distributed than a player B with 4-3-2-1. Player A would have the Double Career Grand Slam (meaning he has won at least twice each Grand Slam) , while player B only would have the Career Grand Slam (at least once each Grand Slam). Double Career Grand Slam>>>>> Career Grand Slam. Otherwise, we would penalizing player A just for being more dominant on his favorite surface, even though he is more complete than player B.

 

[cc0509]

He was serving pretty big in Eastbourne and he's lefty, so he has the tool to trouble Nadal if he's a bit off.

I can't see it. I think it will be a routine straight set win for Nadal. If I'm wrong, I'll raise my hand and say, "I was wrong." No shame.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

I can't see it. I think it will be a routine straight set win for Nadal. If I'm wrong, I'll raise my hand and say, "I was wrong." No shame.

Lol, we're just discussing, who cares if you or anyone else is wrong. No shame at all, indeed.

 

[cc0509]

Lol, we're just discussing, who cares if you or anyone else is wrong. No shame at all, indeed.

Of course we're just discussing. I look at Nadal's quarter and I see a green light until the QF. I'll be very surprised if Mischa can beat Nadal. The bigger questions for me are: 1)Will Del Potro make the QF and 2) if he does, will he bend over yet again for Nadal?

 

[cc0509]

Hmm, I didn't know he won eastbourne. Def ups his chances. Really a lot depends on which Rafa shows up too though

Since when is winning Eastbourne a predictor of anything to do with Wimbledon? Did you see the field at Eastbourne? They had to haul players in from the local tennis clubs. It was like a who's who of clowns.

 

[cc0509]

It is a misconception that Nadal loses on grass because he can't deal with his opponent's weapons. It's actually because he has no weapons of his own.

Nadal's offense is nullified on grass and that's why he loses. He can't take control of the point and his topspin often actually helps his opponent. It doesn't take a big hitter or server to beat him. Just someone with offense that actually works on grass, like Zverev.

The only weapon Nadal ever had on grass was his extraordinary defense. And that has been gone since 2012.

I agree Nadal's weapons are nullified on grass but I just doubt that Mischa Zverev will do much damage to Nadal. We'll soon find out.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Of course we're just discussing. I look at Nadal's quarter and I see a green light until the QF. I'll be very surprised if Mischa can beat Nadal. The bigger questions for me are: 1)Will Del Potro make the QF and 2) if he does, will he bend over yet again for Nadal?

I do think that Mischa is Nadal's biggest obstacle until the QF (or even SF), but, of course, that doesn't mean he will beat him, so he got a nice draw.

Regarding Delpo 1), who knows. His potential 2nd round opponent iz Lopez, who could easily beat him with his big serve, a tricky s&v approach and that nasty slice he loves to employ. Delpo is a big man and bending his knees as often could exhaust him faster than on other surfaces.
2) He doesn't have the athleticism to beat Nadal on grass in BO5, imo. Rafa can still chase down a lot of balls and force him to play more and more points (and let's not forget that having a lower contact point on grass does limit Delpo's relatively flat forehand) and Delpo's serve isn't quite as lethal as Rosol's or Querrey's. And that new backhand of his won't hurt Nadal, he handles the slice better than anyone.

 

[Rafa's OCD]

Haha, Fed fans are panicking, because Rafa is close to surpass Federer in the goat debate and are praying that someone takes out Rafa.

I pretty much can't stand the sight of Roger Federer. Rafael Nadal isn't close to surpassing Federer in "the goat debate."

 

[peRFection]

My bracket has Coric beating Fedr

Does it?

 

[zverev2018]

I pretty much can't stand the sight of Roger Federer. Rafael Nadal isn't close to surpassing Federer in "the goat debate."

Well, the problem is that Rafa is much younger and has played much less, so it's normal. We will see when both of their careers have ended. To me they will end up as co-GOATs.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Federer v Djokovic final rematch - Everything else is just keeping us busy until we get there.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Kukushkin already had his chance a few years back and he got triple bread sticked after winning the 1st set. And he was better back then.

Read that he got injured in the match hence the bread sticks.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Read that he got injured in the match hence the bread sticks.

I watched the match. Don't remember that, although it's possible.

 

[zverev2018]

Anyway this thread is a silly attempt to take some attention away from the real star of the Zverev family.

 

[Alba Barragan]

Didn't Zverev just win his first tournament? It takes even top players some time and practice to adjust to playing a full week and immediately playing well the week after. There's a whole thread for "Win A Title Lose Your Next Match". This is Z's first title and even his first final - I bet Zverev feels the effects of playing a long week and then loses early at W, quite possibly before he even gets to Nadal.

It was Mischa's 3rd singles final. First one he wins.

You a have a good point tho, I can totally see him crashing out after the high of his 1st singles title.

 

[Rago]

Anyway this thread is a silly attempt to take some attention away from the real star of the Zverev family.

Lmao.

 

[Bender]

Dustin Brown did well against Rafa because his second shot following the serve (regardless of whether said serve was his own or Rafa's) was unpredictable. It didn't let Rafa get a handle on things.

Mischa prefers to keep a nice deep volley most of the time but has a tendency to float it a bit at times, which would allow Rafa to line up a pass.

Now if Mischa serves well and keeps the volley angled away or short then the upset could very much happen. Mischa has a great serve, and he's a lefty to boot.

 

[RF-18]

Nadal will punish his approaches. Easy match up for Rafa.

 

[Rafa's OCD]

Well, the problem is that Rafa is much younger and has played much less, so it's normal. We will see when both of their careers have ended. To me they will end up as co-GOATs.

if I can assume for a second that Nadal hasn't lied about/exaggerated all of his injuries, he's likely a much older 32 than Federer is a 37 (if that makes any sense). I genuinely don't think Nadal's career will continue much past Federer's retirement if at all.

 

[zagor]

if I can assume for a second that Nadal hasn't lied about/exaggerated all of his injuries, he's likely a much older 32 than Federer is a 37 (if that makes any sense). I genuinely don't think Nadal's career will continue much past Federer's retirement if at all.

He's not, Fed can barely play two tourneys in a row nowadays without getting gassed and played 20+ less matches than Nadal last season.

Nadal is much better at scheduling than people realize, I doubt he's going anywhere until he gets that slam record. Fed definitely has a more limited window to add to his achievements against these young clowns.

 

[E36BMWM3]

Worth bumping this thread seeing as he just fell in straights to the frenchman Herbert.... FANTASTIC prediction

 

[E36BMWM3]

You heard it here first. See you in the 3rd round.

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