MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Go to bed, Novak 
Novak: This is one of my 2 biggest professional goals – Surpassing Roger’s record for longest No. 1 and win as many Slams as possible"
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Sorry_to_tell_you_mate
Professional
Why are you picking only the slams when it comes to titles but are not doing the same with the h2h category? Nadal leads Djokovic in their h2h at slams.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
how about you expect some class from your guy!
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Nadal leads the RG h2h. That's different.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Djokovic also leads Nadal 2-1 at Wimbledon. You don't see me tossing it around because the sample size is too small, meaning they should have been meeting more in these places rather than RG anyway, and it's not enough of a difference. Djokovic is not a mug on clay and maybe he shouldn't have such a poor record at RG, but RG is only one Slam and the Slam where Nadal is most successful. Let's see them meet 7 times at AO and then see you brag about a Slam head to head so much.
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TheNachoMan
Guest
Djokovic and Federer get handicapped for actually showing up deep in HC and grass majors unlike RAFA. Unfair
r2473
G.O.A.T.
FIFY
Nadal leads the US Open H2H as well.
I know 9-6 is a bitter pill to swallow, but you can't change it by crying about clay.
Nadal and Djokovic had different grass peaks/primes. When Nadal was getting to the finals every year, Djokovic was not even a factor to win Wimbledon for most of that time.
3 meetings at Wimbledon seems about right, considering their grass primes barely intersected. Nadal started declining on grass, just as Djokovic started getting good enough to win on it. And 2-1 to Djokovic (combined with having more Wimbledon titles) is a fair enough reflection and sample size that Djokovic is better on grass (or at least has better results.Nadal may be supremely unlucky that his Grass prime/peak co-incided with Federer's). You don't have to point out that Djokovic is better than Nadal at Wimbledon, because it's clear in their H2H and the amount of titles Djokovic has there.
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Deleted member 771911
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These interviews in general are trash. I never watch them. Players just say soundbites and obvious things for journos to write about. Waste of time for everyone. Just easy writing. Journos would need to actually know stuff about tennis otherwise to write articles like explaining why Zverev's serve isn't working, etc. Much better to ask some stupid questions then spin a story from it. Snooze.
roysid
Hall of Fame
No. The no. Of weeks at #1 for Djokovic is still increasing week by week. That's isn't frozen. hes scheduled to cross Pete Sampras on 23-Sep and if ranking at #1 continue, on March 21 cross Federer.
Correction : Once the tour started, rankings are not frozen, can change. But only for the performance at the tournament one is playing.
So, in both Rome abd Roland Garros Nadal can't gain a single point whereas Novak has opportunity to gain.
The earlier tournaments viz Madrid, Barcelona, Monte Carlo all got cancelled. Nadal had done poorly last year there. But no chance to improve this year
roysid
Hall of Fame
So the conclusion is
Djokovic better at AO and Wimbledon
H2H 2-0 and 2-1 and more importantly 8-1 and 5-2 titles
Nadal better at FO and USO
H2H 6-1 and 2-1
Titles 12-1 and 4-3
This is so clear that everyone can agree on that
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Potentially the M1000 record too
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
5-3 off RG at Slams
12-4 in finals off clay
The clay skew was heavy in their h2h. They played half of the matches on a minor surface. Incredible that Djokovic leads the h2h despite that.
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Meles
Bionic Poster
We already knew that, but I like he mentions that often...
Novak Djokovic Says Surpassing Roger Federer’s Records Is His Biggest Goal - EssentiallySports
World number one Novak Djokovic has set his sights on two major records held by Roger Federer and is confident of surpassing them.www.essentiallysports.com
I believe in that, from the very beginning, I always did.
Even when he was way down in numbers.
Now, baring serious injury, I am convinced...
Breakpointerer
Legend
Meles
Bionic Poster
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Djokovic's career goal is to beat the record at #1 with an unprecedented lack of younger ATGs on his back? Oh, noez!
As for "winning as many Majors as possible", I think that St. Nick's career goal is the same.
As for "winning as many Majors as possible", I think that St. Nick's career goal is the same.
Subway Tennis
Legend
Agree. Sampras certainly didnt take it personally either.
He was quite deferential about the whole thing and even said that he thought Federer could break the record.
The only thing that i think does change things slightly is that there is an extra mental component to this when the comment is made between two players who are both still active.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Djoker should have hired you as his advocate when he was negotiating with the referee.
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Yeah because 5 wins is the same as 29 and 27 wins
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
Yeah because 5 wins is the same as 29 and 26 wins
So, if it is not "the same" why would you ever compare players with less than the amount of matches between the big 3?
Clearly, in your statement, you imply that that is not enough information to draw conclusions from, yet you do it all the time, so which is it?
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Nole14_15NoPressure
Guest
As one of the really great ones, I corroborate your statement.
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Deleted member 369227
Guest
It is definitely a better indicator of your dominance when you have more weeks at number one position than the number of YE1 endings. And I say this not because I am Novak's fan.
The number one position correlates with your sustained performance over the "moving" 12-month period. YE1 position simply happens when moving 12-month performance coincides with the calendar year, so it looks great to end a calendar year on "a high note", but a player cannot rest on his YE1 laurels, because last year's YE1 ranking does not translate to a better draw on this year's tournaments - only your current ranking.
MaluTapiMau
Rookie
He will probably achieve that and more, and come to realise that he’s still not liked. At that point, he’ll be criticised for being too robotic, fake, etc and start being compared to Federer and Nadal re: oh-so-graceful (yawn) and the intensity and passion of Nadal (yawn too). Poor guy
I have zero losses to both non-ATGs and ATG in ATP stats.
I am the real GOAT now?
or perhaps wins actually matter not the "non-losses"
Don't think so, look how many slams Fed and Rafa had when Novak won his first... It wasn't that obvious Novak will be that great but I believed... Off course I got lucky in prediction, it was probably more wish than reality, now it's more reality than wish
what is the age difference between Nadal and Djokovic?
because that is the essence of Lewiscean "statistics", cherry pick and compare the taste of apples with the taste of sand.
what a surprise that apples taste better.
just take out of comparison anything that might taste better than apples for other folks
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic has a higher win percentage too.I have zero losses to both non-ATGs and ATG in ATP stats.
I am the real GOAT now?
or perhaps wins actually matter not the "non-losses"
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
9 matches is an info.So, if it is not "the same" why would you ever compare players with less than the amount of matches between the big 3?
Clearly, in your statement, you imply that that is not enough information to draw conclusions from, yet you do it all the time, so which is it?
50 or 55 matches is a much bigger info.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
So, if it is not "the same", why are you comparing these things? Either you consider the "info" from 9 matches as valid for conclusions, or you don't.
Which is it?
So, if it is not "the same", why are you comparing these things? Either you consider the "info" from 9 matches as valid for conclusions, or you don't.
Which is it?
both:
- when it suits Lew narrative it is valid for conclusions
- when it doesn't suit Lew narrative then is is insufficient data, too much skewed by RG and USO, and a bunch of other blah blah blah excuses
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Ah, I forgot Lew's "it matters until it doesn't".
Also, let's disregard half of the Majors to make a point. Basing the conclusions on the other half is so much more credible.
Spencer Gore
Legend
It's a key criteria.
It is so rare because it is so difficult. Until a player achieves it no career can be seen as flawless.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
You need to get your facts straight. From March to August, while the tour was suspended, none of Djokovic's weeks at #1 counted. They only started counting again once the tour started back. He would have passed Sampras back in March or April if it wasn't for covid. Nadal is in great position because he didn't lose a single point even though he didn't defend his USO title and won't lose points at RG either. In a regular season, he would be #3 right now and Dominic would be #2, but you have somehow made this seems like Nadal got the short end of the stick?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
True. I guess it keeps him motivated that there is a goal but I would probably not be so open about it if it were me.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Imagine if it's 10-6 soon. It would get pretty quiet on this board between now and January.
or quite the opposite, very loud with a lot of "clay isn't a legitimate surface" and "RG doesn't count towards anything"
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Novak.... like his fans, are comical.
CYGS
Legend
Would 9-7 silence you?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
RG again?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Only boredom would silence me here.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
ForehandRF
Legend
If there is an exception to your theory that proves you wrong, then your entire theory is wrong, doesn't matter the sample size.H2H is an important metric, but there are other metrics even more important.Yeah because 5 wins is the same as 29 and 27 wins
beard
Legend
I doubt... St. Nick's career goal is to bash as many real tennis players as possible and continue being Twitter influencer...Djokovic's career goal is to beat the record at #1 with an unprecedented lack of younger ATGs on his back? Oh, noez!
As for "winning as many Majors as possible", I think that St. Nick's career goal is the same.
He knows he has 0 percent chance of winning any slam... His maximum is some 500...
CYGS
Legend
And you know that Nole winning RG against Rafa in the final is less boring.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't really mind Nole Fam celebrations and bragging rights outside of the whole "Earths Avenger" stuff which really makes me cringe tbh. It's much preferred to when the Swiss fans take over.