Odd situations....what is the right call

[GatorTennis]

Wanted to start a thread where we could share weird issues that occur in league play and what the actual rule is...if you found out.

Mine concerned a captain who didn't have their best lineup. The forecast called for rain, but the other captain wanted to exchange lineups. They waited for the rain to pass (because the one captain wouldn't exchange lineups), but instead they got rained out about 30 mins after the match was to start. The captain got the makeup match with their best lineup.

From our LC...if Captains cannot work together in this instance, the ruling is as follows.

Attempt to exchange lineup. If opposing captain does not exchange, send your team out to warm up. At 15 mins after match time, attempt to exchange lineups. Warn opposing captain that failure to do so will result in match default. If they do not exchange, grab your team go home and enter a match default. If they do exchange, they are not entitled to warm up and must immediately begin play.

The ruling is due to the rule that captains must have their teams ready and available to play by 15 min after match time. Failure to exchange lineups is not having your team ready to play.

 

[Startzel]

Who gets to decide to call it a rain out/ or postpone the match?

 

[GatorTennis]

Who gets to decide to call it a rain out/ or postpone the match?

They best situation is for the Captains to work things out. Once it rains and the courts are unplayable, you can't reasonably expect the other team to stick around. Even if it's a light rain, if the courts are unplayable you can't force people to play. Most people want to play and it's not an issue. It's when you get captains that want to push the envelope.

The above situation is for when it has not yet rained, and one captain is trying to stall and wait for rain. It's hard to call for a rain out without rain.

 

[Alchemy-Z]

We had this happen -

exchanged line ups - started warm up - rain came in no one officially started a match.

the make up match was set for a date where 3 people could not play 2 from one team and 1 from the other.

captains ditched the original line up and showed up with new line ups for the make up match.

 

[GatorTennis]

We had this happen -

exchanged line ups - started warm up - rain came in no one officially started a match.

the make up match was set for a date where 3 people could not play 2 from one team and 1 from the other.

captains ditched the original line up and showed up with new line ups for the make up match.

Yeah, that's legit. That's exactly what the captain in my example was aiming for...the right to bring in new lineups. But...once a match starts lineups stick.

 

[Ihatetennis]

i had this happen, we just ditched lineups as no matches had started tho

 

[kevrol]

What do you all think should happen here?

Team A Singles #2 player wasn't there at the start time. Team A Captain fills out lineup card saying default on Singles #2. Team B Player that was supposed to play Singles #2 sticks around to watch other courts. Team A singles player #2 shows up 8 minutes after start of match.

So does the match have to be played or does the default stand?

 

[JLyon]

What do you all think should happen here?

Team A Singles #2 player wasn't there at the start time. Team A Captain fills out lineup card saying default on Singles #2. Team B Player that was supposed to play Singles #2 sticks around to watch other courts. Team A singles player #2 shows up 8 minutes after start of match.

So does the match have to be played or does the default stand?

default should stand unless both captains agree to play the match, the captained submitted the line-up and signed off on a default

 

[GatorTennis]

What do you all think should happen here?

Team A Singles #2 player wasn't there at the start time. Team A Captain fills out lineup card saying default on Singles #2. Team B Player that was supposed to play Singles #2 sticks around to watch other courts. Team A singles player #2 shows up 8 minutes after start of match.

So does the match have to be played or does the default stand?

let's say the match is scheduled for 3pm. are you talking about him showing up at 3:08pm or 8 mins after the warmups have begun. If it's after the 15 min rule, it's a default. If it's before the 15 min deadline, I'm not sure what the official rules are. I don't know why you'd write in a default if the guy was trying to make it. Just pencil him in and if he doesn't make the 15 min rule then it's easy.

 

[Jonboy]

I had the same experience recently. Inteclub match and my partner rocks up late. He just made it. Technically it would be down to the opposing team. If the card has been filled out etc. But hey, they are here to play, so lets play.....

 

[kevrol]

default should stand unless both captains agree to play the match, the captained submitted the line-up and signed off on a default

That was my thought too. It's essentially the same as a known default once the captain submits a lineup that says default. Match was at 7:30, defaulted ct guy showed up at 7:38. Guy that was on time said he was going to take the default instead of playing the match (jackass move, but well within his rights.)

Anyways the team with the late player disputed the match and the local league coordinator said they had to play the match. Not sure on what basis she made this ruling as it doesn't seem to be supported by the facts or league rules.

The lesson learned at least here is as soon as you hear the other team is defaulting, leave the match site and don't come back for 20 minutes.

 

[Startzel]

That was my thought too. It's essentially the same as a known default once the captain submits a lineup that says default. Match was at 7:30, defaulted ct guy showed up at 7:38. Guy that was on time said he was going to take the default instead of playing the match (jackass move, but well within his rights.)

Anyways the team with the late player disputed the match and the local league coordinator said they had to play the match. Not sure on what basis she made this ruling as it doesn't seem to be supported by the facts or league rules.

The lesson learned at least here is as soon as you hear the other team is defaulting, leave the match site and don't come back for 20 minutes.

You guys might want to take a step back and remember we are playing recreationally.

 

[kevrol]

Wasn't my team, but another team. Just think the league coordinator screwed up the decision.

 

[Startzel]

Wasn't my team, but another team. Just think the league coordinator screwed up the decision.

But you're the one who said this

'The lesson learned at least here is as soon as you hear the other team is defaulting, leave the match site and don't come back for 20 minutes.'

 

[kevrol]

I just find it baffling that the local league coordinator could make that ruling.

 

[GatorTennis]

I just find it baffling that the local league coordinator could make that ruling.

Our Section's regs only state that 15 mins after the scheduled match time is the default time. Anything more specific is up to the local league. Just because you exchange lineups, doesn't seem to trump that the player did show up.

It is very stupid of the captain to submit a default instead of just putting his player's name down.

 

[Startzel]

I just find it baffling that the local league coordinator could make that ruling.

Looks like she made the right decision. Good for her for making the equitable decision.

 

[kevrol]

Looks like she made the right decision. Good for her for making the equitable decision.

Two questions about this:

1 - What if the player that was there left immediately upon learning the other captain defaulted the court?
2 - If a captain says they are going to default court 2 does the other team have to have their ct 2 player show up for 15 minutes?

 

[Startzel]

Two questions about this:

1 - What if the player that was there left immediately upon learning the other captain defaulted the court?
2 - If a captain says they are going to default court 2 does the other team have to have their ct 2 player show up for 15 minutes?

Those are completely different scenarios.

In this scenario the players were there and simply refused to play. Hard to argue you were infringed when you chose not to play.