Open or Closed Stance?

chrisb

Professional
Open stance semi 0pen stances allow for more angular velocity your outside foot must be on the ground so you can lift. When playing your feet should not be part of the thinking process. Essentially in the time frame off your opponent's racket to your racket allows usually for 3 thoughts 1 find the ball, 2 catch or touch the ball and 3 finish the shot. Too many extraneous thoughts distract this process
 

chrisb

Professional
There is no inhibition of body rotation with the neutral stance. The rear leg/foot should come around/forward during the stroke.
look at the research initially done for shot put and discus now widely used in baseball and tennis.says The more resistance to turn will lead to more explosion on the uncoil, and the lack of coiling leads to a greater chance of relying more on linear transfer than angular velocity, That being said when running down a shot you must be able to get there get your racket on the ball and push it back or you lose
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, that makes sense. My guess is a lot of rec players get sideways and are unaware they are scruding themselves.

This thread helped me understand the "not full turn in prep" FH. @5263 made the point they didn't teach full turn as part of prep. That seemed nuts to me. But I only think in terms of "off back foot" FHs. There is another one. That said 5263 better not be teaching open FHs without full hip/nipple turn in backswing.
why does everything have to be "full" from the start?
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
why does everything have to be "full" from the start?

Full coil in prep/backswing on one of these:

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You set the full coil in the step in one of these:

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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
It will go away in a week and something else will bother me, like people who get to the front of the line and don't know what they want to order.

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That gets worse when you get older. Stuff you use to let go hits a threshold... and then it's HELL NO.

How old are you? This is hitting you to early.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Isn't the assumption that a stance indicates the type of FH inaccurate. I try to hit my FHs off back leg with an open stance, but sometimes I hit off a neutral stance. On those it's still off the back foot, with no step to front leg. On other neutral stance FHs I do step to front leg.

Perhaps the answer is you should never hit back leg FHs from any stance other than open. I can't say I can remember seeing a pro hit back leg FHs from anything other than open or semi open.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
Full coil in prep/backswing on one of these:

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You set the full coil in the step in one of these:
But even he doesn't do it all the time, so why would you start players "full"? Would you start a gymnast with a double back or with a front roll?
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
But even he doesn't do it all the time, so why would you start players "full"? Would you start a gymnast with a double back or with a front roll?

Oh ... I missed your point. I wasn't using "full" to mean meeting some standard. I'm simply saying a player has to do "whatever their full turn" is at the backswing when hitting off the back leg. It's a coil/uncoil over the back leg ... you can only uncoil what you coil.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
Oh ... I missed your point. I wasn't using "full" to mean meeting some standard. I'm simply saying a player has to do "whatever their full turn" is at the backswing when hitting off the back leg. It's a coil/uncoil over the back leg ... you can only uncoil what you coil.
right, but often you don't need a full coil to achieve the desired result
 
Stance is irrelevant. What "stance" does a wheelchair tennis player use? They focus on "catching" the ball with their racquet and accelerating at exactly the right point. You don't need any kind of stance to hit a tennis ball, despite the prevailing conventional wisdom of internet coaches.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Stance is irrelevant. What "stance" does a wheelchair tennis player use? They focus on "catching" the ball with their racquet and accelerating at exactly the right point. You don't need any kind of stance to hit a tennis ball, despite the prevailing conventional wisdom of internet coaches.

Well a beginner does need to be aware of the different types of footwork patterns and learn the basics to have a good footwork foundation, because they don't have a clue about what to do with the feet, and these stances are all very different fundamentaly, so they get the idea of what each does and pros of cons of each.
But I agree as the player advances they don't really "use" stances anymore, their footwork is engrained and they just do whats right for the situation with their feet, and thats many different variations of these main "stances", but they just do these things with the feet with intuition they don't really think about it.
 
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