Pro Supex Premier Ace & Topspin Cyber Flash

[jasonbourne]

For you Topspin Cyber Flash and Pro Supex Premier Ace users out there, if I string cyber flash in my n6.1 90 at 55lbs what tension should I string premier ace at to achieve same control, power and spin?

 

[vbtennis99]

sorry.. never used the premier ace..

I do know the cyberflash is a poly so you should be able to achieve a lot of control at 55lbs. If you want more power and spin.. try stringing it at 53 lbs.

 

[diredesire]

I'd e-mail the owner of the site where you likely got your premier ace, he's a pretty helpful guy.

 

[thetenniskid07]

5% drop on premier ace. Same on cyberflash.

 

[jasonbourne]

diredesire, I did talk to someone from the site. He indicated the Premier Ace is softer than CF. Since, I found the CF slightly harsh in the first 4hrs in my n6.1 90, he suggested to keep the PA at the same tension as the CF.

I tried the PA setup yesterday. It does indeed feel softer than CF. However, the power is a little high and I would consider increasing the tension at least 2lbs higher next time. I hope it does not lose much tension for the next 4hrs of play though or it will be difficult for me to use.

 

[Sebastien]

I tried the PA setup yesterday. It does indeed feel softer than CF.

I agree

However, the power is a little high and I would consider increasing the tension at least 2lbs higher next time.

Do not agree. The premier ace is a control string. I actually had to drop the tension from 55 to 53 when using this string so I can get some power.

I hope it does not lose much tension for the next 4hrs of play though or it will be difficult for me to use.

This string is VERY durable, I think the most durable I ever played with. And the great thing is, it pratically doesn't lose any tension.

For your info, I used it as main with either gamma syn gut or gamma revelation as cross.
Have you tried the Big Ace? I actually porefer that one because of the great power.

 

[jasonbourne]

Sebastien, thanks for sharing your experience between the PA and CF. It helps validate my experience for everyone and for me to reassess my initial experience.

I will be leaving in a few minutes for a 4 hr practice session with the PA. I have higher expectations this time from what you said about the string. Perhaps my coordination and timing were not good the first time out with PA.

As for your Big Ace question, I have not tried it. I do have a set to try next after PA. Do you recommend I maintain the same tension I used with the CF?

I'm concerned the BA may be a stiff string since it is indicated as the most durable string.

 

[jasonbourne]

Sebastien, have you used the BA, CF and PA in full poly setup or hybrid?

 

[monologuist]

Not sure about the PRemier Ace..supposedly it plays like Signum Plasma...but the Big Ace string is very low-powered....I would string it 2-4 lbs. lower than Cyber Flash.

 

[jasonbourne]

monologuist, thanks for your input on Big Ace. I guess it is a stiffer version of Premier Ace.

I used the Premier Ace in a hybrid for four hours already and it has slightly less pop compared to Cyber Flash. It is also softer and more comfortable.

I like the extra comfort, but miss the pop I can generate with the CF.

At this rate in my comparison between CF and PA, I may not like BA. However, Sebastien's experience of the BA great power is appealing.

 

[Sebastien]

As for your Big Ace question, I have not tried it. I do have a set to try next after PA. Do you recommend I maintain the same tension I used with the CF?

I dropped 2 lbs from CF to BA. I used 55 for CF and 53 for BA

I'm concerned the BA may be a stiff string since it is indicated as the most durable string.

yes it is stiffer and that's why I hybrid with either syn gut or multi.
On Tuesday I will receive the Maxim Touch which soften the stringbed and I will try is as cross with the BA or BA Hex version called Blue Gear (Yes I was able to get a set before the Oct release ).

And for your question on wheather I use full poly or hybrid, I always hybrid. Full poly is to harsh on the arm and doesn't really have good feel.

I used the Premier Ace in a hybrid for four hours already and it has slightly less pop compared to Cyber Flash. It is also softer and more comfortable.

Yes softer and more comfy but to comprensate the lack of pop I use a multi as cross for added power. For your reference I used Gamma Revelation Pink but look around their might have other good multi with pop.

Here is my experience by order or preference
Control: PA>BA>CF
Power: CF>=BA>PA
Durability: can't really say, when I use multi as cross, the cross break first and when I use syn gut it digs into the maines the same rate no matter what mains I have, and the mains break first. But my hitting partner has great experience on durability with PA.
Feel: PA>BA>CF (the BA as a feel that is unique, you just have to try it)
String movement: PA>BA=CF
tension drop: BA>PA>CF (BA is better then PA then CF)

Depending on what kind of player you are you can choose what you prefer. The CF had no enough control for me and to top that it lost tension quite fast (4-6hrs).

If you are missing your power from the CF, then when you try the BA use a multi as cross for added power and better feel. For my case, my first serve has just got so much more powerfull, and I kept a great control.

 

[jasonbourne]

Sebastien, thanks for your excellent response in comparing the three strings.

Congratulations on getting Blue Gear. I hope they turn out to your liking. How much will this string cost?

So far during all the poly tests I have done I primarily used Klipper Zyex (multi) in the crosses. I had a brief stint using Gosen OG-Sheep Micro in the crosses with CF, but cut the strings after one session because CF was too powerful.

One clarification I wanted to understand from your previous post was regarding the syngut crosses and poly mains. Are you saying with the poly mains broke *before* the syngut crosses?

Also, have you tried reversing your hybrid setup with the polys in the crosses instead?

 

[jasonbourne]

Sebastien,

Is BA stiffer than CF?

 

[Sebastien]

Congratulations on getting Blue Gear. I hope they turn out to your liking. How much will this string cost?

They don't even know themself, or they didn't want to tell me yet. When they came back from the US Open (marketing the blue gear) the guy had a couple samples left and I was one of the lucky person that got one to sample.

I had a brief stint using Gosen OG-Sheep Micro in the crosses with CF, but cut the strings after one session because CF was too powerful.

Like me, not enough control with CF, after 6-8 hrs I cut it because it was too springy. So you will love BA.

One clarification I wanted to understand from your previous post was regarding the syngut crosses and poly mains. Are you saying with the poly mains broke *before* the syngut crosses?

Yes, in 4 days, huh !
I guest that's due to my style of play and my serve.

Also, have you tried reversing your hybrid setup with the polys in the crosses instead?

No, I figured that it would last me even shorter because whatever my mains are it will break first, and syn gut will break even faster than poly. Also Poly on mains give more spin, which I am a fan of since I am considering Blue Gear. And I am looking for power in control. Cross give more feel and I don't see the poly cross giving more feel.

But have you tried it yourself? What is your experiences on it?

Is BA stiffer than CF?

Yes, but it is tough to say because it has that *unique* feeling that make it special.
I can give you an analogy:
Imagine you want to eat a rock, then BA would be wrapped with a thin layer of butter to make it go easier down the throat. But you are still eating a rock.

You'll tell me what you think when you have tried it....

 

[jasonbourne]

Sebastien, thanks for your responses.

I have not tried poly in the crosses with syngut or multi in the mains. Mainly for durability reasons. In addition, as you said previously, the mains are for spin and control which is good to have and the crosses is for feel, which polys have less of compared to multi and syngut.

I'm looking forward to the PA snapping so I can move on to the BA. Thanks for your description of the BA feel. I think I understand what you mean.

I will share my experience with the BA after I use it.

BTW, I read about Blue Gear. I suspect its shape would saw into the multi crosses quicker than a smooth surface poly. I hope not though. I look forward to reading to some reviews on this new string when they're available.

 

[vbtennis99]

Sebastian,

Thanks for the useful info on your experiences with the these strings.


What would you compare the Big Ace to? I know it comes in that red color. Would you say it is better than the Redcode? I believe that the price is $4 less for the big ace. Is the durability good? Comfort? Does it come in a thin gauge?

Also, how much does the Premier Ace cost for the reel? I wasn't able to find out how much these strings cost anywhere on the net. Maybe im looking in the wrong places

Thanks in advance!

 

[Sebastien]

What would you compare the Big Ace to?

Nothing that I have tries before, if you read my posts I talk about that *unique feeling*

I know it comes in that red color. Would you say it is better than the Redcode?

I have got it in red and it looks very cool on my racket.
I have never tried Redcode (I don't like Technifibre string), but the salesguy from StringDepotPlus sure said it is better than Redcode.

Is the durability good? Comfort? Does it come in a thin gauge?

Durability is excellent, no tension drop and that's one thing I love.
Comfort is adequate, please ref. to my analogy from prev. post.
BA comes in 1.22mm, 1.25mm and 1.28mm

Also, how much does the Premier Ace cost for the reel? I wasn't able to find out how much these strings cost anywhere on the net. Maybe im looking in the wrong places

I think off head $59/reel. The string brandname is Pro Supex just in case if you want to look. You can look for the US distributor, they are listed as a sponsored link on google.

 

[vbtennis99]

sebastian,

thank you for your useful information.

i will go ahead and get a set of the premier ace and big ace to try out. I'm a frequent string breaker so hopefully these strings will provide me with everything mentioned above.

thanks!